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I checked out the Frigidaire website for the first time in months, and I see they've also added a nice-looking French door refrigerator, and the TOL dishwasher actually has a stainless steel interior. Again, nice of you to finally catch up with the rest of the world, Frigidaire!
 
Quick Sanitize

Unless it's BS marketing hype, the description states that the washer can sanitize clothes in half the time of other machines. With a 1000 watt heater, the only way to speed up the water heating process is to do it without tumbling. Even then, I find it hard to believe they could cut the time in half. Methinks this is marketing hype.
 
The FAQE/G7072L ----

--- is the matching dryer. I think that these are similar to the E'lux line and look real nice but are half the price!!! I want a set in silver!!
 
I like these

If/when my 2140 gives up the ghost, I want one of these. The 2140/2940/Affinity's 27 x 27 inch footprint worked for some people with tight clearances in laundry room or closet installations. Their 3.5 cu ft capacity was "mid-range" when the machines were rolled out c. 2004-5, and basically only Duets with 3.7-3.8 were larger. Now, of course, 3.5 is small, but I was glad that Frigidaire kept making them for those who need the convention footprint size (3.5 was the largest capacity made on that footprint).

While I don't have depth clearance issues, my machines are in the garage and the washer space is blocked by a code-required bollard (steel pipe filled with concrete) to protect the appliances (and the adjacent water heater and furnace) from a runaway car. The house was built 1988 when there were basically no FLs for sale in the mass market, and they placed the bollard smack in the middle of the washer space. Of course, they didn't realize they were blocking the door of a future FL!

My solution was to stack a Frigidaire pair, using Frigidaire's $25 dryer stacking bracket, and place the stack in the dryer space, which has no bollard. This arrangement precludes use of a pedestal, so there is stooping involved, but the dryer is at chest height so I can unload dryer standing straight up, neither stooping nor reaching (I am 5'10"; someone a lot shorter wouldn't like a stacker dryer, and someone a lot taller would be stooping even for the dryer).

What I like about these new machines is that they get the larger capacity from being deeper (30 instead of 27 deep) without being taller. Some of the large LG and Electrolux machines get their 4.5-4.7 capacity by being deeper and taller---while they can be stacked, the dryer is not convenient for someone who's shorter (I could make do, someone 5'5" could not). These machines are often 38-39 inches tall, so that a stack may stand 6'6" or taller, with dryer controls at the top.

A friend of mine who owns an appliance store did a stack installation of Electrolux for a woman client and she could not reach the controls on top without using a step stool. One of the competitor stores here, Pacific Sales, has actual stacked displays in their showroom so customers can see how high the machines would be if stacked.

These new Frigidaire machines are 36 inches high, so buyers who stacked them would have a six foot tall stack and no higher, but reap the benefits of higher capacity by being deeper (extra depth not an issue in my garage). They appear to have some of the Electrolux features at a Frigidaire price.

Below is a link to Universal Kitchen Appliance (large LA retailer) and they list four of the new models, one without and three with steam. The stated capacities vary from 4.0 to 4.2 to 4.4. I wonder if perhaps these are typos, as the outside dimensions are all alike.

Another plus is that the door is reversible, a la Electrolux. When I've read Electrolux reviews, while most buyers wanted the sturdy quality or large capacity, a number of them mentioned that they bought the washer because of the reversible door (which may had suited their particular installation requirements). Offering a reversible door at a lower price will probably win them more customers from lines like Whirlpool and Maytag, now that this feature is available at a middle of the road price. [this post was last edited: 5/29/2010-11:04]


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Evidently they are not at Best Buy or Lowes yet. But my links shows they have reached some of the walk-in, state of the art stores. Universal Kitchen-Appliance is middle of the road to high end, and they carry lots of more exotic brands and makes.

I noticed oddly enough that Best Buy's dryers are now priced more than their washers (didn't washers always used to be more expensive than a dryer), as they enlarged the Affinity dryer to 7.0 cu ft. When you click on "washers and dryers" at Lowes and sort the list by highest to lowest price, you'll see the dryers on top and the washers below!!

The only washers they currently list on their website, besides the 2140/2940 and the 3.1 model, are Affinities with 3.5 cu ft and they are all on sale at prices less than the dryers (i.e. under $600). I think they must be on the way out and they will sell them off for cheap prior to stocking the new 4.0-4.4 (if it isn't a typo) FLs. I am really happy that they make a six feet tall stack (but not 6'7" like the Electroluxes), and I can deal with the extra 3" depth in my particular application (not good though for people with laundry closets or a laundry room door with minimal clearance).

I wonder if they will continue making 2140/2940 for minimalists, or for people who don't have more than 27" of depth clearance? The 3.1 model has been in production for at least a decade if I am not mistaken. I don't remember when the 2140/2940 came out but when I bought them in 2006, I had seen them in Lowes for at least a year and a half before I bought them.

Universal tends to discount price, and their prices seem to be equivalent to the last generation of FLs by Frigidaire: 2140 at about $600, 2940 at $700, Affinity at $800-900 (when first introduced, before they began to discount as their product line aged). The low end new model without a heater goes for $650. Of note is a new higher max spin speed of c.1200 RPM. The new models seem to incorporate some Electrolux features while keeping the prices affordable. There is a much larger market for FL buyers who can pay $750-850 than for those who can pay $1200-1500 (for Electrolux).

Prior to learning about this new line of FLs, I was thinking my replacement machine--when the spider dies--would be the new FL Bosch machines with controls in front (stackable) but knowing Electrolux-Frigidaire better as a brand, I'd rather go with these new models. Bosch DWs work great, but their entire product line is not so stellar. Their ranges get so-so reviews. Their Euro FLs seem to work well in homes I have visited in Europe, but their US-sized machines did not get such good initial reviews. Bosch I believe makes their US machines in a US factory somewhere, which may explain the variable quality across their product lines.
 
control panel

Here is the control panel for model FAFS4272LW.

Universal sells this for $719 and delivers free within the greater LA area (not to where I live). Their prices and selection are good enough that some customers come from outside LA and bring home their purchases in a truck. They do deliver outside of LA, but it isn't free and can be quite expensive unless you are buying an entire suite of appliances (e.g. remodel) and can "defray" the delivery charge across a range of machines.

My only qualm about this model is that it has the steam feature, which I don't think I'd really use that much. My washer is next to the water heater, and I don't boil wash, so I don't think I'd even use the heater or wash above "hot water line temp". There is one model down (about $650) without a heater, but the capacity is also lower, 4.0 vs 4.2.

Note: stores like AJMadison tend to ship to out of state buyers who avoid sales tax in many cases. As a result, their prices can be closer to MSRP because their customers outside their state may not have to pay sales tax. Many of these companies also charge surprisingly reasonable freight charges. The downside is that they just deliver and don't install, so if you are not an installation expert, or even if you are an expert and the machine fails to operate properly, you don't have as much recourse as someone whose washer is delivered by the merchant's own delivery truck. [this post was last edited: 5/29/2010-14:39]


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New Frigidaire!

What I like about these new models is that they offer a prewash. Does it have a extra rinse feature? And I'm wondering what •Freewater Rinse means - I wish we can get the instruction book.
Peter
 
Frigidaire generally posts PDF user manuals for current models once those models reach the corporate website. Of course, any such manual for this machine would be the definitive scoop on its features.

I am fairly certain that "freshwater rinse" is simply "extra rinse".

There is an option button for time delay (some of the models list delay up to 18 hours) and a button for "pre wash". The AJ Madison site mentioned a prewash detergent slot in the dispenser, so it must be true. My 2140 doesn't have a prewash, but you could use "Soak" cycle as a manual prewash, with half a dose of detergent. However, when "Soak" completed, you had to manually reload the machine with detergent and manually start a wash cycle, it does not advance from Soak to Wash automatically. The current Affinity washers lack a Soak cycle but have a "stain clean" option--which is merely a soak cycle added to the middle of the wash cycle (machine pauses and just soaks, but it is way shorter than a Soak cycle on 2140/2940).

If you save a copy of the control panel image and then open it in Windows Picture and Fax Viewer, you can enlarge the control panel and read the labels more clearly:

Wash Cycles: Sanitize, Heavy/Bulky, Allergy, Whitest Whites, Normal, Casual, Quick Wash, Delicates, Rinse/Spin, Spin Only.

Temp options: Sanitize, Hot, Warm, Cold, Cold Water Clean (???machine cleans itself with cold water???). Doesn't specify which settings are controlled by Auto Temp Control---possibly all, because current Affinities list "ATC" next to settings controlled by ATC, which usually are "warm" and "cold". "Hot" is water line hot, and there is a non-ATC "cold" that is "cold water line cold". I wonder if "cold water clean" is a special cycle for heavy soil in cold water? with a longer wash or soak time? In any case, if none of the temp settings specify if ATC is engaged, it may be that ATC is always-on.

Spin speed: Max, High, Med, Low, No Spin (spin speed is 1200 rpm max on this model; the two higher models are 1300 rpm max)

Soil level: Max, High, Normal, Light, Extra Light. These control duration of main wash cycle. My 2140 has a "heavy soil" option that adds three minutes to wash agitation cycle. This larger range of wash duration options must give users the chance to shorten wash time for lightly soiled loads.

Options: Add Steam, Pre Wash, Delay Start, Freshwater Rinse, Clean Washer, Control Lock.

I have no idea what "Add Steam" does to a cycle washed at lower than "Sanitize" temp. I also wonder whether the heater engages only with "Sanitize", or does it work with ATC to ensure that "hot" water is raised to the preset "hot" temperature in the event that less-than-hot water is delivered to the washer (if there are other hot water applications in use at once, e.g.).
 
Cold water clean probably means non-ATC controlled cold-i.e. tap cold temp. I owuld imagine ATC is always engaged except for cold water clean. It would be nice if the heater energized more than on Sanitize. I believe that's a feature of the Electrolux washers--the heater is used to slightly raise or maintain temp. Steam is probably an option on both hot and warm wahes on certain cycles too and if like Whirllpool, is independent of Sanitize. I just hope hot is hotter than 110 and warm is hotter than 90 degrees F. Front loaders don't appear to have as dumbed down water temps as top loaders. That's one of the reasons I prefer front loaders. Hmm, insteqad of water temp or wash temp, the button used to select wash temps says auto temp. there's an energy saver button under the time display, that oculd mean atc set points are lowered or if reall lucky, the normally energized supplemental heater is disengaged.
 
Jim would you do that control panel image for the TOL model (the one with 17 cycles) please. I can't seem to get an image of the control panel to save and enlarge. Thank you in advance.
 
Hi appnut, I found the image at the AJMadison website and the only model they were offering was the model depicted above. That website offered the enlarged control panel view for that model only. (there is a small AJ logo in the corner, indicating it came from the AJMadison website).

The website that DID list all four new models (Universal Kitchen Appliance) does not offer enlarged views of the control panel. However, there are product descriptions for all four models on their website (see link below).

 
Well, they're new to the website today, as I checked in around 7:00 this morning and they weren't there at that time.

I stopped by my local Frigidaire dealer and they said they have been informed about the new machines, but they are not able to order them, yet. Same with the new French door refrigerator.

Now that they're both on the website, they should be available quite soon. I'm liking the washer/dryer, and the price is certainly right! Getting a 4.4 cu. ft. drum, steam, and a 1300 rpm spin speed for under a grand is a bargain.[this post was last edited: 6/2/2010-22:10]
 

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