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Coming to a decision, unhappily

I think I'm deciding between the GE and the Whirlpool but I'd so much prefer a SQ with a water heater (and I want the heater not only for Sanitation but also because I like having the option of a boil-wash thank you all very much), or an 220 v European Style Miele like the ones you can buy in Germany and Israel. Why oh why does the US buy drek? What was the deal with those short-lived Large Capacity Mieles that ran on 120v? Was there a problem with them because it seems like they came and then went quickly. I mean these:

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Big Miele...

I wondered why the big 120v Miele came and went so fast. It probably didn't support reversing the door swing which is why I lost interest in it anyway. To hear that the quality was lacking sort of softens the blow.

We'll see if the new heating element fixes what ails my Neptune. If not, I'd be down to choosing between the 627 Electrolux and a GE. Although I have figured a way to get the Neptune to do a hot wash without needing the heater to kick in (take a long hot shower just before running the hot load in the washer).
 
I have the 4842 Miele.

I will now give it the kiss of death... 8 years later and it's fine. Alex (logixx) sent me the Tech Manual and after tweaking it to Water Plus, It's fine. The Original machine was a lemon after threatening a lawsuit and a call from mu attorney... they replaced it.

I wash maybe 4 loads a week in it. It has water heating and I use mostly the Whitest White cycle.

I used the Sanitize setting few times. Water heating is nice to have, but I use Persil Professional Powder and Rosalie's. I think I have used LCB a few times but with good detergent and water heating, LCB is a rare additive.

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good detergent and water heating, LCB is a rare additive.

Eddie, I whole-heartedly agree.  I haven't had LCB around for adding to laundry since I got the Duet in 2011.  And my garments/linens last longer.  One of the reasons why I insist on a heater in a front loader.  
 
Miele 4XXX series was pretty much a disaster

First incarnation (4840) had all sorts of random issues. Detergent drawers popping open and refusing to remain shut. Internal leaking that would trigger WPS sensors shutting machine down. Even when fault was cleared machines often would not restart. Miele sales persons and techs were advising owners to "tip machine forward" to drain water. Yes, some 5'5 110 (or less) pound American housewife is going to manage that feat all be herself...

Overall the quality just wasn't there for 4840, especially when compared to the W3xxx series that came out at same time. Side by side comparison had many customers simply feeling the later was more substantial washer. And they were correct in many ways. For one the 4840 could only be loaded 3/4 full, while the 3XXX washers like Miele of old could have their drums loaded fully.

Miele came back with the 4845 which supposedly addressed many of the failings from previous models, but it was almost too little and too late.

Miele was competing with Whirlpool, Electrolux, LG and others in bringing uber sized front loaders to American market. Whirlpool did so with their Duet washers which cost considerably less than Miele's 4840 or 4845

Miele's other larger worry was that they made those uber washers just for mainly north American market. Sales were tried in Europe and proved disappointing as few households wanted such a large washing machine.

So for all the R&D and other efforts Miele put into their uber sized washer and dryer they needed substantial sales in North America to make go of things. That wasn't happening and they were losing money on units sold. Coupled with word getting out about poor reliability and service issues (like waiting several weeks for Miele to fix the things), they just weren't moving those huge washers.

As for the uber sized matching dryers, less said the better. Miele had nothing but problems and complaints (though not nearly as so bad as the washers), so in the end both of them had to go.

Only way for Miele to have made money on those units was to do something they just refuse; built a North American plant and stop importing entire built appliances.

In the end Miele split the difference; going back to the drawing board we now have the new W1 and Little Giant washers. Americans can chose one or the other depending upon their laundry needs.

Thing is Miele like Electrolux and a few others know very well how to build rock solid 18lb-20lb commercial type washing machines. They have them on offer all over Europe. Just like WP bought Bauknecht to get their mitts on some H-axis goodies.



 
It took me a while to chase down the VOLUME specs on the W1 Miele washer: 2.3 cu ft. As opposed to the Little Giant at about 2.0 cu ft. Mostly Miele wants to talk about capacity in weight, which I suppose is more accurate but each parameter has its own pros and cons. For example, I would expect a knit synthetic sweater load will weigh less than a woven cotton load of same volume, since the knit fabric might not compress as much as the woven cotton. I guess.

I'm sure both are fine machines... but due to my laundry closet setup and the need to wash larger items I think I'm still gravitating either to the Elux or GE front loaders with their reversible washer drawers. Or, just stick with the damn Neptune. LOL.
 
New GE washer and dryer

Finally, after 19 months I am able to return to my home. The fire was devistating and I think I posted pictures earlier. At any rate everything is completed and I am moving back to my home. Of course, everything had to be replace. Essentially I have a completely new house even the basic structure, which dates to 1860 is intact. The house was gutted and everyting replaced. So, here is a picture of the GE washer and dryer. GW850SSNWW washer and GFD85GSSNWW gas dryer. I have use them multiple times on multiple cycles. Really happy with the results from both machines.
But, wait, there's more. I am including a picture of the new kitchen.

Harry

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love the kitchen

Very stylish. I hope you are as happy with your GE washer and dryer as I am with mine. I am in a condo and now have the compact 24" units. They clean well, dry well. Both are very energy efficient. The dryer could be a little quieter but hey, it's laundry, some noise is expected. Washer is so quiet you really don't notice it until high speed spin.
 
Lest I be exposed, I would be remiss not to add that the Neptune 7500 has not been trouble free in the past some 20 years. I had got a 3 year extended warranty, which was a good thing, since after about two years it started sounding like the tub was coming apart. Turned out the spider (the big wheel at the back that turns the inner drum) had cracked. The repair guy said I was lucky to have caught it before it disintegrated and caused major damage. A new spider plus some control upgrades were all free. After that it's been trouble free for about 17 years. The only issue I recall is that the drum light switch on the washer is a bit sticky - sometimes it doesn't turn the light on when the door is opened. A quick flick turns it on. I may take it apart when I fix the heating issue, since the front will be off at that time.

Been looking at the eLux line again. I think I'd spring for TOL there... the 627's... have to check the dryer venting setup... right now I have the Neptune venting straight down through the floor, under the machine, which works nicely. Don't know if the eLux dryer can do that. I suppose the installation manual will tell me.
 
Well, the replacement heating element for the Neptune 7500 arrived today, a little earlier than expected. I plan on installing it tomorrow. We'll see if that fixes it. It wound up costing me about $40. Considerably less than a new machine, if it works. One potential fly in ointment - the mfg bag was previously opened and stapled shut. But the part does not look like it's seen any usage.

Other than that, I tried running some whites through again just using tap hot water and the extended cycle, plus some Clorox "Dry" non-chlorine bleach powder (sodium perborate, mostly, it seems the active ingredient). It got out most of the stains the previous unheated wash with STPP and Tide Liquid HE left behind. Better living through chemistry.
 
Success!!!

Many thanks again to Wiskybill (Bill) for finding and posting the link to a replacement heating element for the Neptune 7500. That's the kind of community spirit that makes web sites like this so great.

Just got through installing the new heating element. Installing it was the easy part. Getting the old element out was the hard part. I read in a service publication that the rubber on the old element could "take a set" over time. That's an understatement. I probably spent 10 minutes taking apart the front of the washer. That was easy, done it a lot before.

Immediately apparent was the source of the heat failure: a burnt out wire to one of the heater terminals. Why it burnt out, I don't know. But the wire was completely severed. Luckily it didn't contact any sheet metal in the process (that I could see), which could have wrought more damage.

But the old element was really stuck fast inside the oval opening in the outer tub. Wouldn't budge. Finally two channel lock pliers, and some judicious slicing of the rubber where I could safely get at it, finally freed the element from the outer tub.

I crimped on a new female spade connector onto the severed (and cleaned up) wire, covered it with heat shrink insulation, put it all back together. Made sure both power lines to the element had good solid connedtions (female spade connectors can lose their grip over time) Ran a long (34 minute) hot wash with no laundry... temp started out at 93F and after about 25 minutes made it all the way up to 116F. I purposely did not purge the hot water line because I wanted to make sure the heater would perform. Highest temp reached before the washer switched to bleach dispenser flush mode was 126F. Not bad, although purging the hot water line would certainly have got it to 130F.

As for the old element... I'll probably test continuity etc but I suspect it's some sort of toast. Will also test the thermistor that came with it. Providing I didn't mess anything up in the old element extraction, looks like the Neptune may have another 20 years to go.

(yay)
 
Thanks, Bob!

Post-mortem:

According to the service manual, the resistance of the heating element and the thermistor both should be 14 ohms. Once I saw the burnt-out wire connection to one of the heater terminals I decided to replace rather than measure.

As it turns out, I just checked the resistance of the old heating element: 14 ohms. However the thermistor resistance if infinity, meaning it's burnt out. It's possible I could have just replaced the thermistor (taking the one out of the new element) and see if that worked. However, I decided the condition of the terminals on the old element were such that I didn't quite trust it. And I didn't realize how easy the thermistor is to replace. Anyway, it's all working again. There's an outside chance the old element is still good (despite my having squeezed the terminals pretty hard to try to remove the element from the tub), so I'll hang onto it. Might also want to see if I can find another thermistor (so far no luck).

Still unknown is why the wire to the element burnt out. I can't see any evidence of its shorting to any other component. Nor did I see any evidence in the cabinet of water leakage onto the element terminal. But it certainly cooked.
 
Burned Wire On A Water heating Element

Hi Rich, I suggested you only had a burned wire when you said it stopped working several weeks ago, all you needed to do was replace the terminal, We see this type of failure all the time.

 

When ever you have a high current connection this type of failure can happen over time, it is a constant problem in older electric dryers and electric ranges.

 

It is usually best to splice in a heaver ga piece of wire with a new high quality terminal to repair this type of connection, and don't wrap and cover it with tape etc as it will allow it to heat up and fail more easily.

 

I have never seen a failed heater element in a US FL washer, they are very long lived because of low wattage and having a SS outer sheath.

 

Hope you get a lot more use out of this rare Maytag washer.

 

John L.
 
Yes, John I remember you said that.

However my testing indicates the thermistor is also bad. The new element came with a good thermistor so it wasn't a waste. I have located some replacement thermistors but some of them cost as much as the element did. Go figure. I might purchase one of the cheaper ones just in case.

It might be best to solder the wires directly to the element terminals. The spade connectors may not be adequate over time. I think they loosen up with heat and time.

We'll see. It's not difficult to pull the front door and panel, so I'll probably check on the terminals in a few months.
 
Wow, thanks. I didn't know the Neptune has so many fans. 

 

It has served me well for about 20 years now. Other front loaders have more capacity, and can boost to higher temps, and have doors that allow one to view the washing progress, but I haven't seen any that equal the LCD screen information available on the 7500. 
 
Update to Reply #81: My neighbors’ 4-month old Whirlpool 6620 developed a leak a couple of weeks ago which has become progressively worse—to the point that a pool of water reaches several feet beyond the washer. The local Whirlpool dealer (who repairs what he sells) paid a visit Friday of Memorial Day weekend. Since then, the young couple who own the machine have surrounded the washer with rolled up bath towels whenever they have to use it.

Bumped into the young woman in the grocery store parking lot this morning and asked what was causing the problem. I couldn’t quite make out what she said, but I think it was “the back seal is bad.” It’s definitely not leaking from the door. At any rate, she said the part is on backorder, so they’re trying to make do in the meantime without flooding the laundry area. The repairman also told her the offending seal has been a problem in several of the new line of Whirlpools he has sold.

Strike one!
 
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