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New GE Dishwasher Line
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ovrphil
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And now..back to the regularly scheduled program
Brought to by the "new" G.E. ....and if their products hold up after the no-cost warranty...that would be a start to the "new" G.E. I never liked the plastic fold down parts in a dishwasher or anything that takes up useable space...anyways, GE's website is pretty nice.
Brought to by the "new" G.E. ....and if their products hold up after the no-cost warranty...that would be a start to the "new" G.E. I never liked the plastic fold down parts in a dishwasher or anything that takes up useable space...anyways, GE's website is pretty nice.
This wash system actually seems like a good idea. At least in this graphical demonstration, the machine appears to be moving a decent amount of water. However, they still seem to follow GE's traditional volume over pressure rule - which is fine by me, as many everyday soils don't need to be pressure cleaned, just soaked off - so this system perhaps offers better cleaning and rinsing over other systems.
As for the bottle wash on this machine, like I said before, a complete gimmick. Just soak them in the sink for crying out loud. That way, you aren't "toxifying" your baby with un-rinsed detergent residue from poor dishwashing action.
In the example below, you might as well just wash your bottles in the upper rack where there IS water flow from the Tower-Wash on the GE. Even with "Lots 'O Spray," you are still going to have bottles that aren't reached.
But at least in this instance, the newer GE probably scores better for cleaning full, soiled loads than the cheap machine seen above... There is a noticeable improvement in water movement... Then again, you might not even need it!
As for the bottle wash on this machine, like I said before, a complete gimmick. Just soak them in the sink for crying out loud. That way, you aren't "toxifying" your baby with un-rinsed detergent residue from poor dishwashing action.
In the example below, you might as well just wash your bottles in the upper rack where there IS water flow from the Tower-Wash on the GE. Even with "Lots 'O Spray," you are still going to have bottles that aren't reached.
But at least in this instance, the newer GE probably scores better for cleaning full, soiled loads than the cheap machine seen above... There is a noticeable improvement in water movement... Then again, you might not even need it!
Its a gimmick
GE has never ever made a good dishwasher. They have always been from mediocre to down right criminally awful. All I see is a weak system, the same high volume low pressure and Im sure the filtration system are a few meshes put about here and there. Its fun to watch one of those pretend to clean, but Im still not seeing something serious. Contractors and builder however will have more easy false hope to show off, as they are the major buyers of GE.
GE has never ever made a good dishwasher. They have always been from mediocre to down right criminally awful. All I see is a weak system, the same high volume low pressure and Im sure the filtration system are a few meshes put about here and there. Its fun to watch one of those pretend to clean, but Im still not seeing something serious. Contractors and builder however will have more easy false hope to show off, as they are the major buyers of GE.
iheartmaytag
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GE has never ever made a good dishwasher.
Au contraire--during the 70s and early 80s GE had the top rated machines on the market. The GSD 1200 Potscrubber was the top. It wasn't until the reduced water usage, flimsier build, and general lack of interest by corporate for appliances did GE drop out of the running and was more or less reduced to "builder quality" machines.
The GE machine we have in the break room at work is a GE branded machine from China. It is quiet, takes half the day to do the cups and coffee pots, but does a decent job for the tasks it is assigned. Many take Mr writer's stance, It's easier to just hand wash them.
Au contraire--during the 70s and early 80s GE had the top rated machines on the market. The GSD 1200 Potscrubber was the top. It wasn't until the reduced water usage, flimsier build, and general lack of interest by corporate for appliances did GE drop out of the running and was more or less reduced to "builder quality" machines.
The GE machine we have in the break room at work is a GE branded machine from China. It is quiet, takes half the day to do the cups and coffee pots, but does a decent job for the tasks it is assigned. Many take Mr writer's stance, It's easier to just hand wash them.
"70s and early 80s GE had the top rated machines"
Maybe in consumer reports, but there were models that out performed GE. Maytag, Whirlpool and Kitchen aid all had much better wash mechanisms.
Ive used a GSD 1200, and its not the same, yes better than a BOL, but still they were awfully sucky compared to others Ive used. They still have the pump the retains over half a gallon of water, weak shaded pole motor, rapid pre rinses, small filter system in the back that just drains through a weak check valve, pop up tower, high volume low pressure spray, a few large clumsy holes in the wash arm, a paper clip food chopper that usually just snaps off when something slightly hard goes through the oversized course filter. Older GEs also don't do a real thermal hold in the prewash, main wash and final rinse like Whirlpools. GE in the 70s briefly made a machine that had a wash arm on the upper rack and high water change outs to compensate for the water hold over however it seems they abandoned the design quickly even though they would make a machine that good for another 25 years.
Now, a Maytag, Whirlpool power clean module, or Hobart Kitchen aid with a 1/3 or 1/2 HP induction motor, chopper, large active fine self cleaning filter, powerful chopper, and a wash module with many well thought out parts can not even come close to any machine GE has ever made. Even D&M machines that had no filtration still had much stronger motors and even managed to get a wash arm for the upper rack. Even the top of the line machines by GE in the 70 and 80s had the obnoxious pop up tower. They only existed because builders bought them and admitantly they made really really good ovens (they still do) and the filter flos were not bad machines either. But their Dishwashers were always toys, most still are.
Maybe in consumer reports, but there were models that out performed GE. Maytag, Whirlpool and Kitchen aid all had much better wash mechanisms.
Ive used a GSD 1200, and its not the same, yes better than a BOL, but still they were awfully sucky compared to others Ive used. They still have the pump the retains over half a gallon of water, weak shaded pole motor, rapid pre rinses, small filter system in the back that just drains through a weak check valve, pop up tower, high volume low pressure spray, a few large clumsy holes in the wash arm, a paper clip food chopper that usually just snaps off when something slightly hard goes through the oversized course filter. Older GEs also don't do a real thermal hold in the prewash, main wash and final rinse like Whirlpools. GE in the 70s briefly made a machine that had a wash arm on the upper rack and high water change outs to compensate for the water hold over however it seems they abandoned the design quickly even though they would make a machine that good for another 25 years.
Now, a Maytag, Whirlpool power clean module, or Hobart Kitchen aid with a 1/3 or 1/2 HP induction motor, chopper, large active fine self cleaning filter, powerful chopper, and a wash module with many well thought out parts can not even come close to any machine GE has ever made. Even D&M machines that had no filtration still had much stronger motors and even managed to get a wash arm for the upper rack. Even the top of the line machines by GE in the 70 and 80s had the obnoxious pop up tower. They only existed because builders bought them and admitantly they made really really good ovens (they still do) and the filter flos were not bad machines either. But their Dishwashers were always toys, most still are.
iheartmaytag
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Gee for 29 years I never knew I had it so bad.
I am not here to defend GE as myself had grown quite discouraged with them over the years. My saleslady at Sear's said "I will sell you a GE range as their cooking appliances are still great." "I will not sell you a water using appliance from GE."
GE's much disliked power tower was very useful for washing the upper rack and blasting the silverware basket. The tower could affect the loading flexibility, but it did allow for better clearance from lower to upper rack without having to have middle spray arm in the pre-tall tub machines. Their turbo pumps could deliver a lot of water in a very short amount of time. Those holes in the wash arm were large but the water still came out with a good amount of pressure. The only repairs I can attest to with the GEs were the motor/pump seal and a worn out timer.
I replaced the last GE because of the timer issue, a new machine was cheaper than the new timer. I figured that a 15 year old machine something else was going to go soon, so I replace it.
Granted after Maytag changed the confusing reverse rack system they were decent washers. I owned two Maytags a Jetclean that I regret leaving behind when I sold the house and a "Quiet series 300" that I never should have bought. (I was told to buy a Whirlpool sourced machine at the time of that purchase by the lady at Lowe's) The latter was towards the end of Maytag's independent life and was pretty much short lived crap.
Was not then nor have I ever been the greatest fan of Whirlpool. Though I now own a Maytag-Whirlpool built Waher/Dryer and Kitchenaid, Whirlpool built dishwasher So far there have been no problems, knock stainless steel.
I am not here to defend GE as myself had grown quite discouraged with them over the years. My saleslady at Sear's said "I will sell you a GE range as their cooking appliances are still great." "I will not sell you a water using appliance from GE."
GE's much disliked power tower was very useful for washing the upper rack and blasting the silverware basket. The tower could affect the loading flexibility, but it did allow for better clearance from lower to upper rack without having to have middle spray arm in the pre-tall tub machines. Their turbo pumps could deliver a lot of water in a very short amount of time. Those holes in the wash arm were large but the water still came out with a good amount of pressure. The only repairs I can attest to with the GEs were the motor/pump seal and a worn out timer.
I replaced the last GE because of the timer issue, a new machine was cheaper than the new timer. I figured that a 15 year old machine something else was going to go soon, so I replace it.
Granted after Maytag changed the confusing reverse rack system they were decent washers. I owned two Maytags a Jetclean that I regret leaving behind when I sold the house and a "Quiet series 300" that I never should have bought. (I was told to buy a Whirlpool sourced machine at the time of that purchase by the lady at Lowe's) The latter was towards the end of Maytag's independent life and was pretty much short lived crap.
Was not then nor have I ever been the greatest fan of Whirlpool. Though I now own a Maytag-Whirlpool built Waher/Dryer and Kitchenaid, Whirlpool built dishwasher So far there have been no problems, knock stainless steel.
yogitunes
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as Shania sang......a REGULAR ORIGINAL KNOW-IT-ALL.....translates into doesn't know JACK.....and hasn't since day one!!!....
definately explains why there's no credability!....
THAT DON'T IMPRESS ME MUCH!....
as for a bottle washer in a dishwasher....something like this?..worthless!.....a true test of a bottle washing capability, as JohnL has mentioned before, with great thought, let a used bottle of ketchup sit out for a few days to dry out, and then place in any dishwasher, and judge the cleaning results.....
I have done this in the UltraWash and DishDrawer, both times spotless....
is it always wise for a dishwasher to be too quiet?.....if the sensor doesn't catch it, how would you know that the spray arm is not spinning, until the cycle is complete, and you have to run it again!...I rather have some noise...
definately explains why there's no credability!....
THAT DON'T IMPRESS ME MUCH!....
as for a bottle washer in a dishwasher....something like this?..worthless!.....a true test of a bottle washing capability, as JohnL has mentioned before, with great thought, let a used bottle of ketchup sit out for a few days to dry out, and then place in any dishwasher, and judge the cleaning results.....
I have done this in the UltraWash and DishDrawer, both times spotless....
is it always wise for a dishwasher to be too quiet?.....if the sensor doesn't catch it, how would you know that the spray arm is not spinning, until the cycle is complete, and you have to run it again!...I rather have some noise...
Thermal Hold: Main-Wash
You are incorrect in your assumption. Models higher than around the GSD900 used a thermal-hold to allow for 120º incoming water, but they were time-limited to around 7-8 minutes to ensure the machine didn't get stuck if the heater broke (or incase people thought they could get away with cold water!).
The GSD2800 certainly used a thermal hold, and could delay the cycle up to 20 minutes for Sani heating and 7-8 minutes for regular heating.
If you still don't believe me, give Bob (Appnut) a "buzz." The thermal hold was the reason why he bought the GSD1200 he made famous (or vice-versa).
At that time KA machines had their "Forever and ever" heating cycle in the Pre-wash/Final-Rinse but stopped washing, so there was no benefit. Maytag used timed heating period (including for Sani). Other manufacturers may have done the same.
Attached below is a commercial I recently discovered for the GSD2800 (Yes, a DIFFERENT one!). There is a short clip of wash action that is shown. And to be honest, how that couldn't clean dishes is beyond me (Especially considering Metal wash-arms with a few more holes were being used in the lower-end models of the time!). This machine also possesses the Orbital wash-arm (like the GSD1200), which should ensure complete coverage with the voluptuous jets of water
You are incorrect in your assumption. Models higher than around the GSD900 used a thermal-hold to allow for 120º incoming water, but they were time-limited to around 7-8 minutes to ensure the machine didn't get stuck if the heater broke (or incase people thought they could get away with cold water!).
The GSD2800 certainly used a thermal hold, and could delay the cycle up to 20 minutes for Sani heating and 7-8 minutes for regular heating.
If you still don't believe me, give Bob (Appnut) a "buzz." The thermal hold was the reason why he bought the GSD1200 he made famous (or vice-versa).
At that time KA machines had their "Forever and ever" heating cycle in the Pre-wash/Final-Rinse but stopped washing, so there was no benefit. Maytag used timed heating period (including for Sani). Other manufacturers may have done the same.
Attached below is a commercial I recently discovered for the GSD2800 (Yes, a DIFFERENT one!). There is a short clip of wash action that is shown. And to be honest, how that couldn't clean dishes is beyond me (Especially considering Metal wash-arms with a few more holes were being used in the lower-end models of the time!). This machine also possesses the Orbital wash-arm (like the GSD1200), which should ensure complete coverage with the voluptuous jets of water
iheartmaytag
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Back to bottles
I have washed many of baby bottles in the GE and Maytag machines and have not been disappointed with the results. Only time I had poor results is when they were placed in the back corner of the upper rack. Everywhere else seemed to do fine.
The only bottle type item I wash regularly now is the Salad Dressing Carafe, Since the KA machine has a middle spray arm it has no trouble getting it clean. Have dropped it in an unused section of the silverware basked before sparkling results.
Wish I could put my Thermos bottle in the DW, I hate cleaning that thing. I usually just fill it with boiling water and put a tablespoon or so of Cascade in it and seal it up overnight, then rinse.
I have washed many of baby bottles in the GE and Maytag machines and have not been disappointed with the results. Only time I had poor results is when they were placed in the back corner of the upper rack. Everywhere else seemed to do fine.
The only bottle type item I wash regularly now is the Salad Dressing Carafe, Since the KA machine has a middle spray arm it has no trouble getting it clean. Have dropped it in an unused section of the silverware basked before sparkling results.
Wish I could put my Thermos bottle in the DW, I hate cleaning that thing. I usually just fill it with boiling water and put a tablespoon or so of Cascade in it and seal it up overnight, then rinse.
Thermal Hold one GE
Ok, I should have been more specific on the thermal hold. I do believe you because Ive seen the tech sheets myself to many older GE machines. I was referring to a real thermal hold, one where the timer actually breaks the contacts and waits for a thermostat to close the circuit in order to advance. Whirlpool, Maytag and Some Kitchen aids did this even on lower middle of the line models. This assures that the temperature will get up specs. GE simply did this with a cycle extender which was a thermal relay that would cycle open and closed when a contact(s) in the timer closed or/selection switches depressed in the console. Yes one might argue the machine wont get stuck, but that is very, very rare for a heating element to go in a dishwasher. Should it fail, you will be alerted on the first wash, where that may never happen on a GE. And with cold water it wont get stuck, it will just take a lot longer on real thermal hold machines giving an indication. Some middle and higher end Model GEs for the 80s did a thermal "slow down", a thermostat would remain closed for the thermal relay extending the main wash by about 15-20 minutes, and depressing the pot scrubber button would extend the main wash by about 20 minutes and with latter models doing about 10 minutes in the final rinse for pot scrubber. But that is not a real thermal hold and GE never did one in the prewash, main wash and final rinses. Usually the prewash thermal hold is not needed, but 2 real thermal holds make a huge difference. And Maytag and Whirlpool dint stop the motor either like Kitchen aid did. And just to comment since we are on the subject one thing that GE never had up until recently on plastic tub models was a thermal cutout for the heater. That alone speaks for the quality of the machines.
Ok, I should have been more specific on the thermal hold. I do believe you because Ive seen the tech sheets myself to many older GE machines. I was referring to a real thermal hold, one where the timer actually breaks the contacts and waits for a thermostat to close the circuit in order to advance. Whirlpool, Maytag and Some Kitchen aids did this even on lower middle of the line models. This assures that the temperature will get up specs. GE simply did this with a cycle extender which was a thermal relay that would cycle open and closed when a contact(s) in the timer closed or/selection switches depressed in the console. Yes one might argue the machine wont get stuck, but that is very, very rare for a heating element to go in a dishwasher. Should it fail, you will be alerted on the first wash, where that may never happen on a GE. And with cold water it wont get stuck, it will just take a lot longer on real thermal hold machines giving an indication. Some middle and higher end Model GEs for the 80s did a thermal "slow down", a thermostat would remain closed for the thermal relay extending the main wash by about 15-20 minutes, and depressing the pot scrubber button would extend the main wash by about 20 minutes and with latter models doing about 10 minutes in the final rinse for pot scrubber. But that is not a real thermal hold and GE never did one in the prewash, main wash and final rinses. Usually the prewash thermal hold is not needed, but 2 real thermal holds make a huge difference. And Maytag and Whirlpool dint stop the motor either like Kitchen aid did. And just to comment since we are on the subject one thing that GE never had up until recently on plastic tub models was a thermal cutout for the heater. That alone speaks for the quality of the machines.
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