mrb627
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Malcolm
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New GE Top Loaders
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stricklybojack
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So..
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TOL has the wash plate...would that make it, or at least suggest it to be, a superior TL wash technology at least in this application?
Had they built a washer/dryer that worked/looked/presented as well as the cafe series refrigerator they make i might be sorry i didn't buy one instead of the SQ's we did buy.[this post was last edited: 10/6/2015-18:58]
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TOL has the wash plate...would that make it, or at least suggest it to be, a superior TL wash technology at least in this application?
Had they built a washer/dryer that worked/looked/presented as well as the cafe series refrigerator they make i might be sorry i didn't buy one instead of the SQ's we did buy.[this post was last edited: 10/6/2015-18:58]
murando531
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I'm actually really impressed from what I see. I'd love to see how it actually works. The machines themselves look nice, although I had to do a double-take to make sure they weren't Whirlpools. That dual action agitator does look very nice and sleek, and I've been talking for years about wanting an HE washer that gave the option to use more water. As much as I love my Bravos XL, I will say that's one of the reasons I also wish I had room for my traditional Whirlpool, for those loads that I'd feel more comfortable using more water with.
And are water temperatures dumbed down too?
The agitator is a low-finned impeller with a centerpost and auger added. There are other brands with the same sort of agitator design.
user 3941
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I have to say I absolutely love GE's designs. I'm curious myself how these work. I def like the flexibility they offer with water levels.
At 1:05 you'll see P&G's HE Turbo graphic on the console. No doubt GE was compensated well for that prominent bit of advertising. I'll bet dollars to donuts the user guide recommends Tide or Gain HE Turbo detergents.
I also see "warm rinse" is offered. That is uncommon these days.
A part of me is somewhat surprised that I'm seeing GE and Whirlpool design and build washers which are more of an East Asian style, like LG and Samsung washplate machines.
I'm glad to see that GE still has a centre post agitator machine, but it almost seems to me like they're following in the footsteps of Whirlpool's centre post agitator, except they put in an auger.
I wonder how well it washes and if GE uses a similar mechanism to Whirlpool where the tub spins back and forth with something locking the agitator in place?
Also, I do admit that a "Deep Fill" button is a great option, but IMO it should be a switch, not a button that someone has to press every time they want this feature. At least they are offering it.
I'm glad to see that GE still has a centre post agitator machine, but it almost seems to me like they're following in the footsteps of Whirlpool's centre post agitator, except they put in an auger.
I wonder how well it washes and if GE uses a similar mechanism to Whirlpool where the tub spins back and forth with something locking the agitator in place?
Also, I do admit that a "Deep Fill" button is a great option, but IMO it should be a switch, not a button that someone has to press every time they want this feature. At least they are offering it.
What other posters have added about the wash plate with a center post sounds right. The tub seems to have the "loose" suspension, common on all HE machines. If I needed a washer this very minute, would be willing to give this one a try. I think I like HE washing. I do a fake "magic minute" on heavy soil now. Rinse water and plenty of it is what my family needs. The fact that this GE can HE wash and still deep fill rinse is a winner . Thanks for posting Malcolm. -A
mrb627
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Silence?
I wonder if they are quieter than that Cabrio lineup.
I do like the design. Wonder if they are on sales floors yet.
Malcolm
I wonder if they are quieter than that Cabrio lineup.
I do like the design. Wonder if they are on sales floors yet.
Malcolm
user 3941
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They are available
They are listed for sale on Home Depot and they have several reviews. All very positive so far. I don't want any temptations to buy a new washer but I like these! lol
They are listed for sale on Home Depot and they have several reviews. All very positive so far. I don't want any temptations to buy a new washer but I like these! lol
mark_wpduet
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These look so cool!
But I thought GE appliance division was sold, NO? I haven't really been keeping up with it. I noticed he said these were still being made in Louisville, so I guess things haven't changed yet? I'm confused.
But I thought GE appliance division was sold, NO? I haven't really been keeping up with it. I noticed he said these were still being made in Louisville, so I guess things haven't changed yet? I'm confused.
user 3941
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The acquisition is being held up for regulatory reasons. The DOJ rejected their filing.
Found this 8/20/15 article on the DOJ suit against the merger/acquisition by Elux of GE. Apparently, the DOJ's primary concern is the home builder market and competition among cooking appliance manufacturing.
Links at the bottom of the article include fears of Elux moving work to lower wage factories, promised savings from Elux of $50 million and the (obvious) fear and uncertainty for KY workers. I'm sure many can already see the writing on the wall. Employment, wages and quality go down, sales and profits go up.
http://www.wdrb.com/story/29813871/information-from-samsung-lg-at-issue-in-ge-electrolux-case
Links at the bottom of the article include fears of Elux moving work to lower wage factories, promised savings from Elux of $50 million and the (obvious) fear and uncertainty for KY workers. I'm sure many can already see the writing on the wall. Employment, wages and quality go down, sales and profits go up.
http://www.wdrb.com/story/29813871/information-from-samsung-lg-at-issue-in-ge-electrolux-case
mrb627
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Home Depot
I will have to swing by my local Home Depot this weekend to see if any of these machines have made it to the floor.
Malcolm
I will have to swing by my local Home Depot this weekend to see if any of these machines have made it to the floor.
Malcolm
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I seriously like them. What's nice is that GE really has the consumer in mind. Instead of saying "Oh sorry, we're regulated and this is what you get", they say "Oh sorry, we're regulated and you get this STANDARD but if you want to add more water, just push this button". They def have the 1 up on WP in that regard. I bet you anything WP will add a feature for the user to add more water. I think that's the biggest complaint amongst these new washers is the low amount of water...whether you need to conserve or not.
WP does offer a Deep Fill option, at least on some of their machines across the brands. The question is, what is the level that the GE fills to? To the top of the basket?
I wonder if the auger does help move larger and more bulky items around better or it's just there to assuage the wary "old school" buyer that they are getting a washer that's familiar. They don't lock the lid for just safety reasons. I would hope it gives a better performance than some of the Bulky-Bedding cycle vids on YouTube of t/l washers that can't turn over a bulky item even once.
When I had the Whirlpool wash-plate machine, the higher water level cycles worked fine with large loads, but a large volume of water for smaller loads let the clothes "float" on the surface of the water and washing performance was almost nil.
Some of the top load machines from LG and Samsung fill completely on certain cycles, Bulky-Bedding, etc. but I've not seen one of these that has a specific "Deep Wash" or "Deep Fill" option.
And then Bob's question is still pertinent, if the hot water is dumbed down to 100F or lower, what's the point of a tub full of cool-cold water? Perhaps for rinsing, which I would like the option of, but if you can't get hot water for washing - even tap temp at 120F filling a large drum like that would end up at least 20F degrees cooler by the time it's full.
I wonder if the auger does help move larger and more bulky items around better or it's just there to assuage the wary "old school" buyer that they are getting a washer that's familiar. They don't lock the lid for just safety reasons. I would hope it gives a better performance than some of the Bulky-Bedding cycle vids on YouTube of t/l washers that can't turn over a bulky item even once.
When I had the Whirlpool wash-plate machine, the higher water level cycles worked fine with large loads, but a large volume of water for smaller loads let the clothes "float" on the surface of the water and washing performance was almost nil.
Some of the top load machines from LG and Samsung fill completely on certain cycles, Bulky-Bedding, etc. but I've not seen one of these that has a specific "Deep Wash" or "Deep Fill" option.
And then Bob's question is still pertinent, if the hot water is dumbed down to 100F or lower, what's the point of a tub full of cool-cold water? Perhaps for rinsing, which I would like the option of, but if you can't get hot water for washing - even tap temp at 120F filling a large drum like that would end up at least 20F degrees cooler by the time it's full.
mrb627
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LG Top Loader
I think I saw a video review of an LG Top Loader that had a water level switch instead of sensing. I'll see if I can locate it.
Malcolm
I think I saw a video review of an LG Top Loader that had a water level switch instead of sensing. I'll see if I can locate it.
Malcolm
Dumbed-down: The maximum water temp of 105-110 degrees was one of two things that wound up being the deal-breaker with my Frigidaire Immersion Care. That temp is fine for many loads, but not heavily-stained loads of kitchen whites.
If you're wondering: The other deal-breaker was the lack of a true spin after the wash water drained. Again, no problem with many loads, but I use liquid chlorine bleach frequently; that was problematic. I had to catch the cycle right after the wash water drained, reset the machine for a spin, then reset it again for a rinse/spin. That became annoying very quickly.
If you're wondering: The other deal-breaker was the lack of a true spin after the wash water drained. Again, no problem with many loads, but I use liquid chlorine bleach frequently; that was problematic. I had to catch the cycle right after the wash water drained, reset the machine for a spin, then reset it again for a rinse/spin. That became annoying very quickly.
mrb627
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Here we go...
Video:
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Video:
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pierreandreply4
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is it just me or do this new ge top load washer have the look of a fridgedair electrolux washer model? and its good to have a warm rinse option
Samsung top loaders in non-American countries also offer freely adjustable water levels. In fact, it seems that only the NA versions have no water level selector.
The manual describes the GE's Whites cycle's temperature as follows: "Combines the hottest water temperature available (based on water heater setting) with longer wash periods to clean and brighten whites." Some of these washers also have a Sanitize with Oxi cycle, which probably also uses the hottest water the machine can get.
The manual describes the GE's Whites cycle's temperature as follows: "Combines the hottest water temperature available (based on water heater setting) with longer wash periods to clean and brighten whites." Some of these washers also have a Sanitize with Oxi cycle, which probably also uses the hottest water the machine can get.
From the manual describing the Whites cycle (models GTW485 and GTW460)
"Combines the hottest water
temperature available (based on
water heater setting) with longer wash
periods to clean and brighten whites. It
is recommended that a Oxi or chlorine
bleach product appropriate for items
being washed be used with this cycle
to maximize whitening performance.
For models on which there is no
temperature selection on the control
panel, this cycle provides a Hot wash
temperature only."
Is that what I think it is, a real hot wash?
"Combines the hottest water
temperature available (based on
water heater setting) with longer wash
periods to clean and brighten whites. It
is recommended that a Oxi or chlorine
bleach product appropriate for items
being washed be used with this cycle
to maximize whitening performance.
For models on which there is no
temperature selection on the control
panel, this cycle provides a Hot wash
temperature only."
Is that what I think it is, a real hot wash?
user 3941
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WP machines do have a deep fill option. My Kenmore version does too but it's only a single cycle. These new GE's allow you to add water to any cycle. According to the manual you can either have it add water in increments or simply hold the button and it will fill as much as you want. I assume it stops of course at a certain point. I guess we will have to wait and see if anyone buys one 
warmsecondrinse
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Watching the video I saw "Warm rinse. Removes any leftover soap residue" on a tag that was panned over briefly (1:42). However, there was no explicit reference to which machine that tag referred. Might this be taken as a tacit acknowledgement that laws of physics are not negotiable and that cold rinses are not the be-all and end-all 100% of the time?
On the website I notice that the control panel of the top-of-the-line machine has a button in the upper right hand corner labelled "warm" without further explanation of function. I didn't see any such button on the panel for the machine with an agitator.
I'm glad the consumer can decide for himself how much water to use. However, it's way too complicated for the average consumer to understand. Maybe that's the point... GE makes the options available for those who decide for themselves how their clothes will be washed, knowing full well that most consumers can't/won't not use them.
All in all, it appears to be a distinct improvement. The biggest issue I have is one that's just my personal preference. I prefer the names of cycles actually at least hint at what the washer physically does. Names like "active wear", "casuals", "jeans", etc. give no information whatsoever, IMO.
Jim
On the website I notice that the control panel of the top-of-the-line machine has a button in the upper right hand corner labelled "warm" without further explanation of function. I didn't see any such button on the panel for the machine with an agitator.
I'm glad the consumer can decide for himself how much water to use. However, it's way too complicated for the average consumer to understand. Maybe that's the point... GE makes the options available for those who decide for themselves how their clothes will be washed, knowing full well that most consumers can't/won't not use them.
All in all, it appears to be a distinct improvement. The biggest issue I have is one that's just my personal preference. I prefer the names of cycles actually at least hint at what the washer physically does. Names like "active wear", "casuals", "jeans", etc. give no information whatsoever, IMO.
Jim
I can only find the Warm Rinse button on the wash plate model and even there is says: "Note that rinsing operations may be different with this operation selected in order to effectively apply the warm rinse water to your load." Different operations sounds like a final warm spray rinse to me...
mielerod69
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Miele WMV960WPS - Hot rinse option
I'm waiting for this to come out in Australia in November. The AUS model has hot and cold water connection and has the ability to do a hot rinse. The rinse temp is set to the incoming hot water temp if you are washing from 60 degrees Celsius or above. If you wash below 60 degrees the rinse water temp is the same as the wash water temp.
You can also now set the rinse water level to maximum and even adjust the Water Plus water level as well.
I'm waiting for this to come out in Australia in November. The AUS model has hot and cold water connection and has the ability to do a hot rinse. The rinse temp is set to the incoming hot water temp if you are washing from 60 degrees Celsius or above. If you wash below 60 degrees the rinse water temp is the same as the wash water temp.
You can also now set the rinse water level to maximum and even adjust the Water Plus water level as well.
Why would the DOJ suddenly take an interest in the GE/ELux deal? I do not remember everything that went on when Maytag was dissected. I bet the people of Newton and Herrin remember. Maybe Tag was small beans in comparison to GE's appliance division. It has been a while but I think I smell money. This GE TL machine does look like the best TL option to roll out in a very long time.
A
Edit: I would like to add it would be a good faith gesture for WP to supply some kind of retrofit to consumers that are stuck with inferior rinsing machines.
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Edit: I would like to add it would be a good faith gesture for WP to supply some kind of retrofit to consumers that are stuck with inferior rinsing machines.
[this post was last edited: 10/8/2015-02:59]
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