sesteve
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first look inside at the gyrator - service book term for it anyway
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sesteve
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The inside of the tub. This is the same finish as my 1509 whereas my mum's machine had the light grey bowl
sesteve
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Here is the drive nut. There is no bowl clamp on this model as this was introduced later. Not sure if they had a problem with the bowls coming off for them to introduce the clamp or it allowed them to modify the bottom of the bowl!
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What a fantastic find! Lucky you. I would love one of these but I'm a stickler when it comes to the water bill! I'm sure its worth it though, have fun!
sesteve
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Here is a close up of the gyrator and gyrator knob - both are a slightly different design to the later models.
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Now round the back - close up of the connection instructions
sesteve
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here's one of the biggest differences to the later machines - the water inlets are on the lower side at the back and the drain hose connection is near the bottom. The inlets were moved to the console after this model and the drain hose eventually moved to the top to stop the machine from draining if the drain hose was not installed high enough.
sesteve
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Hardboard back off and first view of the innards - this one seems better quality than the backs of later models although there is no lip on the console for this to slot under. One of the things you notice immediately is there is a lot less wiring than the later models
sesteve
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close up of the 4-pole motor. This was replaced by 2-pole motors with the introduction of the 1509/02 and the running speed was doubled. The 4-pole motors were quieter but must have been more expensive one assumes as it seems a backward step to make a machine noisier!
sesteve
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A close up of the clutch - this had only 1 anti-squeal spring fitted - later models had 2. I can't get my head round how putting a spring round it works
sesteve
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Underneath view - again, the bottom of this machine is in fantastic condition. The 1509/10 new model that I got had a fair bit of rust on the bottom - must just have been how they have been stored. The clutch is a totally different design to the later models.
sesteve
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Here is one of the dampers and the suspension springs. the damper mounting changed in later models and the springs were not as shiny as this!
I'm going to have to leave the post there for today (I should have been doing work) and upload the rest of the pictures tomorrow.
I'm going to have to leave the post there for today (I should have been doing work) and upload the rest of the pictures tomorrow.
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Thanks for taking the time to do such a great narrative Steve, it was a great find, thanks for sharing "the love".
Al
Thanks for taking the time to do such a great narrative Steve, it was a great find, thanks for sharing "the love".
Al
keymatic3203
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you've got yourself there Steve, well worth delaying the home improvements for, no that you've time for that with all these lovely machine to enjoy.
Maybe I'm wrong but I'd always assumed the anti squeal spring on the clutch was to conduct the heat away from the clutch as it slips for the duration of the static drain, and perhaps at twice the speed why the 2 pole motor required 2 springs, they are in a way like convector heater coils.
This clutch slip I know is engineered to a tolerance etc, but with my engineering hat on, I've never liked the fact the clutch slips for several minutes creating heat that has to be dispersed, whilst the tub drains, it obviously works reliably as proved for going on 40 years, it just isn't a very elegant solution in my view.
Thanks for showing all these photos of the packaging, these are all memories for many of us, I certainly remember unpacking our new 18*** 2 button bol model machine in november1979, (not long after the purple was replaced by the brown and silver colour scheme), unbolting the bracket holding the tub in place and cardboard sections etc, these are the photos you can't take with restoration projects, so great to see the original packaging here. They certainly only gave away persil automatic and comfort by 1979.
So look forward to reading and seeing about the first wash.
Mathew
you've got yourself there Steve, well worth delaying the home improvements for, no that you've time for that with all these lovely machine to enjoy.
Maybe I'm wrong but I'd always assumed the anti squeal spring on the clutch was to conduct the heat away from the clutch as it slips for the duration of the static drain, and perhaps at twice the speed why the 2 pole motor required 2 springs, they are in a way like convector heater coils.
This clutch slip I know is engineered to a tolerance etc, but with my engineering hat on, I've never liked the fact the clutch slips for several minutes creating heat that has to be dispersed, whilst the tub drains, it obviously works reliably as proved for going on 40 years, it just isn't a very elegant solution in my view.
Thanks for showing all these photos of the packaging, these are all memories for many of us, I certainly remember unpacking our new 18*** 2 button bol model machine in november1979, (not long after the purple was replaced by the brown and silver colour scheme), unbolting the bracket holding the tub in place and cardboard sections etc, these are the photos you can't take with restoration projects, so great to see the original packaging here. They certainly only gave away persil automatic and comfort by 1979.
So look forward to reading and seeing about the first wash.
Mathew
Hotpoint Top Loading Automatics....
Fantastic find there Steve, and a pleasure to see the packaging from the "Delivery Days" getting quite the Top loader launderama down there, will have to have a visit when its all complete!!
I picked one of these up as a trade in mid 80`s, needed a new belt and sold it to my sisters boyfriend, worked for his mum and large family until recently!! A great design that stood the test of time and delivered solid reliability...the pub near us growing up had one in the kitchen upstairs, it was in a front window with low sill and could be seen from outside, also it pumped out into a trough drain and then down a long pipe, you could see the steam rising and smell the boiling whites Persil sudsy water when emptying....
Now get that Persil opened and make that Suds Cake...
Fantastic find there Steve, and a pleasure to see the packaging from the "Delivery Days" getting quite the Top loader launderama down there, will have to have a visit when its all complete!!
I picked one of these up as a trade in mid 80`s, needed a new belt and sold it to my sisters boyfriend, worked for his mum and large family until recently!! A great design that stood the test of time and delivered solid reliability...the pub near us growing up had one in the kitchen upstairs, it was in a front window with low sill and could be seen from outside, also it pumped out into a trough drain and then down a long pipe, you could see the steam rising and smell the boiling whites Persil sudsy water when emptying....
Now get that Persil opened and make that Suds Cake...
triumphdolomite
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That looks great Steve, I'm glad it went to a good home. I hear that you prompted the seller to be on the lookout for other rare Hotpoint models! Here's a quick shot of it's long term storage partner installed and doing what it should after 42 years. I assume you're going to put it through its paces, look forward to seeing some pictures of it in action.
Ian
That looks great Steve, I'm glad it went to a good home. I hear that you prompted the seller to be on the lookout for other rare Hotpoint models! Here's a quick shot of it's long term storage partner installed and doing what it should after 42 years. I assume you're going to put it through its paces, look forward to seeing some pictures of it in action.
Ian
Evening Steve,
Fantastic find in all it's glory !! Welcome to the 1504 club
Are you planning on using yours ? I luv mine and would'nt change it for the world.
Happy washing
Keith
Fantastic find in all it's glory !! Welcome to the 1504 club
Are you planning on using yours ? I luv mine and would'nt change it for the world.
Happy washing
Keith
sesteve
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Hey Al - Hope you are well and settled into your new place. Was worried it might bore people so glad it's been interesting. Will do some more tomorrow.
Mathew - I hadn't thought about heat dissipation. I've had another look at the service manual to see if there are any clues. It states that the 2 pole replacement motors were introduced in October 1977 and after March 1978 an extra groove was machined in the clutch housing and a second anti-squeal spring was fitted. I guess the build up of heat could cause the squealing? Not sure of what but I think your explanation is probably right and can't find any other mention of it.
It was great to get the box for both this and the 1509. I love the design on this one with the bubbles and the date is great too - what a Valentine's Day pressie.
Haha I remember those suds cakes Mike - would occasionally see one in my mums machine - she used Daz mainly although Lux flakes for curtains and Stergene for woollies. Shame you can't get big box non automatic powder now - the modern boxes are really small. Will have to stoke up the hot water for a top loader wash in at some point!
Ian - that cooker is fantastic - I had a good look at it when I picked the machine up. The chap we got these off was really nice but said he wouldn't tell me how much he paid to save me from tears lol. I have been in two minds about using it but am sure I will soon. I actually bought some new taps so I could use the tap adapters but they are not as they looked in the picture and they won't fit so will have to keep my eye out for some second hand ones - how sad am I! I did think if he's managed to get these beauties then he should be briefed on other potential finds - here's hoping
Mathew - I hadn't thought about heat dissipation. I've had another look at the service manual to see if there are any clues. It states that the 2 pole replacement motors were introduced in October 1977 and after March 1978 an extra groove was machined in the clutch housing and a second anti-squeal spring was fitted. I guess the build up of heat could cause the squealing? Not sure of what but I think your explanation is probably right and can't find any other mention of it.
It was great to get the box for both this and the 1509. I love the design on this one with the bubbles and the date is great too - what a Valentine's Day pressie.
Haha I remember those suds cakes Mike - would occasionally see one in my mums machine - she used Daz mainly although Lux flakes for curtains and Stergene for woollies. Shame you can't get big box non automatic powder now - the modern boxes are really small. Will have to stoke up the hot water for a top loader wash in at some point!
Ian - that cooker is fantastic - I had a good look at it when I picked the machine up. The chap we got these off was really nice but said he wouldn't tell me how much he paid to save me from tears lol. I have been in two minds about using it but am sure I will soon. I actually bought some new taps so I could use the tap adapters but they are not as they looked in the picture and they won't fit so will have to keep my eye out for some second hand ones - how sad am I! I did think if he's managed to get these beauties then he should be briefed on other potential finds - here's hoping
sesteve
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Hi Keith
Thanks - yes will be using I'm sure - will retire the 1509 for a while at least. I'm looking forward to hearing the difference between the 2 and 4 pole motors. Funnily enough, while I was researching the 1504 another used one appeared in Birmingham on free cycle back in December. It looked like it was being used to test textiles as was a bit worn. Wonder if anyone spotted it and got it - amazing for 2 to come up. Just shows you that there are still classic out there.
S
Thanks - yes will be using I'm sure - will retire the 1509 for a while at least. I'm looking forward to hearing the difference between the 2 and 4 pole motors. Funnily enough, while I was researching the 1504 another used one appeared in Birmingham on free cycle back in December. It looked like it was being used to test textiles as was a bit worn. Wonder if anyone spotted it and got it - amazing for 2 to come up. Just shows you that there are still classic out there.
S
sesteve
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Here's the link to the 1504 that was advertised in Birmingham on Freecycle back in December - I only saw this recently buy it may still be available if anyone is interested
