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Just saw this video although it's a few months old. I was cringing the entire time. First off, the representative sounds like she barely has a clue what she's talking about. Secondly, the tub is empty, so no sir, the 'silverware' in the very top basket will not be reached when dishes are actually loaded into the machine. The water is barely reaching to the top as it is when it's empty. Third, this whole concept seems like a gimmick that will die out quickly, considering that adding a mechanical bar that has to move from front to back of the machine constantly just adds in more moving parts that can fail. It's amazing how clueless people are about how these machines are supposed to work and what it takes for them to work well.

 
That is a JOKE!

This is how the wash action of a dishwasher should be. There is a reason Hobart is still (the world's oldest and largest manufacturer of commercial dishwashing machines). Samsung needs a lesson from the guys in Ohio about performance and quality. So do most others, LONG LIVE HOBART!
WK78

 
I posted about this in January. Now, in all fairness, there are two more spray arms - the water doesn't have to shoot all the way to the top. However, due to the design of the deflector bar, it cannot reach all the way to the front of the basket. Notice how the tub in the demo has a flat front? Well, the inside of dishwasher doors are usually indented to make room for a deeper basket or, as in Whirlpool's case, the cutlery basket. Plus, since the jets aren't integrated into the back wall of the tub but rather sit in front of it, you're losing another inch of spray area.

Besides, what's all that talk of full coverage? I have never had a problem with jets not washing the inside of a pot in the lower rack - I did, however, have to rearrange small items in the upper rack that might not have stood directly over a spray nozzle. It's all about the lower rack... but what about the upper basket where all the small stuff really goes?

By the way, this dishwasher is on Samsung's home page along with the instruction manual.

Alex
 
Oh I didn't even realize it was already available. I never pay attention to Samsung honestly. We have a refrigerator less than a year old that has terrible shelving configurations, and the ice maker constantly jams up for no reason. Their products are shiny and full of gimmicks but that's as far as it goes. They make amazing TVs but not much else.

As far as coverage, my Maytag's lower arm has jets at each end that aim slightly up and out, and I've loaded glasses and cups in the far corners with dried gunk in the bottom and they're spotless after a wash. The upper arm is the same from all the Point Voyagers and PowerCleans, which has always powered away grime corner to corner.

Still, nothing I've seen over the past 5-6 years will make me budge from the WP PowerClean. There has yet to be anything that tops it.
 
I love to see companies try new and different things because future collectors will look upon something like this as an oddity. Think of the Apex washer or the Bendix top-loader with its rubber tub and squeeze-dry method of water removal. More recently, think of the Maytag Neptune top-loader with its two spinning discs.

Having said that, Samsung is already by far the lowest rated brand for reliability (well over 20% needing repairs according to Consumer Reports). I can't imagine a wash system like this one is going to improve that dismal record.[this post was last edited: 5/8/2014-17:46]
 
New Concepts

I agree. I think it is great to see companies trying new concepts. Some will work. Others will not. I'm sure some laughed at the first automatic washer back in the day, but here we are...

Malcolm
 
<span style="font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: small;">Lets see.  My DW is from 2006 and it is using that "circular motion" thingie and everything including baked on cheese gets clean so what's the point of this new sliding bar contraption.  I guess it gets stuck in the back, middle or front if something protrudes below the bottom rack huh.</span>
 
I can't figure out how the actual jets work. There are nozzles at the back, so are these the source of the water? It seems like some of the pressure would be lost once it gets to the furthest point, from velocity lost in distance and from the stream fanning out and causing more splashing against the bottom of the tub. From what I can see, the water doesn't seem to come directly from the spray bar. Is it a cool concept? Yes. Practical, not really. I guess I err on the side of "if it's not broken, don't fix it", and instead improve on things that are causing problems, such as new drying techniques and developing more powerful motors that can move more water but use less energy.
 
As long as water usage levels are at Soylent Green (AKA "Energy Star") levels, the spray configurations in DW's won't matter much, or at all. We were shocked to learn the built-in Maytag we adopted with our house uses 1.1 gallons per fill, or 1.3 gallons with the quick 1-hour cycle. So try taking a Bob-load full of dirty dishes, put 1.3 gallons of water into your sink and start washing. And see how long before you start getting nauseous at the thought of "washing" dishes in that kind of sludge.

If the washing experience wasn't enough to make you nauseous, put another 1.3 gallons of water into your sink and "rinse" the load. This is what you and your family are eating off of every day with these DW's.

Government as nanny invariably results in either disaster or catastrophe. Here in California you can't even buy a new mattress unless it's been poisoned with state-mandated flame retardants. Just astonishing imo.
 
... There are still two more arms in this washer...

Isn't this technically how a conveyor wash machine works?

I'd buy it to try it, play with it and probably get rid of it.. Most people are going to buy it because it has Samsungs name on it with a very large price-tag. Must be good then :/

I dunno. I like the concept, but I'm sure the other two wash arms don't run while the bar is running.. and if the bar runs anything like my automatic cat litter box runs.. I take back the comment about buying it and trying it... that would be a nightmare.
 
<span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva;">I think my DW uses 1.06 gallons per fill.  I normally use a cycle that has 3 fills so that's about 3.18 gallons.  Works good for me so no problem with the amount of water taken in and normal everyday soil is clean in 1 hour 32 minutes with non phosphate detergent , but I have that circular thingie. I do want at least 2 full rinses in any cycle though.</span>
 
The clever thing about the current design of dishwashers, a water powered rotating arm under each basket is that they're not relying on complex mechanical parts to move the spray arms around.

That system looks excessively complicated.
 

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