new kenmore elite drawer dishwasher not cutting it....

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I used the NORMAL cycle on my Maytag until someone (either Bob or Lawrence) suggested I try the CHINA/CRYSTAL cycle, which is only about 50 minutes in length. I've pretty much stopped using the Normal cycle as C/C does a great job on its own.

Togs, I know what you mean about the ridiculously long wash cycles. My daily drivers are the C/C and INSTA-WASH (20 mins.) cycles. I suppose if your KA doesn't do a very good job on the Normal cycle, using an even shorter one isn't an option...
 
Okay, I'm really gonna show my ignorance here, but what is STPP? And where can I get some? I have the same problem that Toggle does. A few years ago my family got a supposedly top of the line Kenmore, and I get all that nasty stuff on my glasses too. It'll have to do until I get a Miele, but if this works in the meantime that would be great!

Andy
 
My Whirlpool portable does an excellent job of cleaning, the built in version is only $300.00. Whirlpool has always made a great dishwasher IMO.
 
STTP

Sodium Tri-Poly Phospate.

I got me a tub as a gift from a very generous friend. I believe the chemical supply house is in the Carolinas. Will check name/addy this evening and post.

I can't tell you how fabulously retro it is to see soap suds with phosphates. The all have those reflective rainbows on them as I used to remember. *SIGH* and the cleaning OY VEY the best!
 
~Whirlpool has always made a great dishwasher IMO

They are wonderful machines and still my favorite. but NOT the tall-tub. LAWD have mercy those are a MESS!

I bought the KA in that I thought I was getting a WP power-clean module type machine with a SS tub.

*NOT*!!!!!!!!!!!! with a tall-tub!

If I were not leaving it with the house I am in the process of selling I would have kicked its unworthy @$$ to the curb, it's SO BAD!

Really; ANY $200 POS GE / Hotpoint can out-perform it.
 
Wow. Still bad reports on the tall-tub machines then. I'm caught in a loop then looking for a new dishwasher for the new kitchen. Miele, LG or Bosch. I've heard a lot good about all three, more so the Miele but oy! the price. For the entry level concealed controls model from Miele, I can get two LG or Bosch and I have no interest in the drawer-type units or a BOL of any brand.
 
Living better through chemistry ...snort..snort!

GE tall-tub is my next one!

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They even have poofs /poufs for sale. *LOL*

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Well, I'm happy with our Siemens. Regular cycle takes 140 minutes and uses 14 liters or 67 minutes and 18 liters if I use the VarioSpeed option. While this is less water than most US dishwashers use, cleaning is superb. Even if there is water left in indentations of cups which have been placed in the corners of the upper rack - it's clear because the DW has a four-stage filtration.

Despite the lower water level the water pressure is very powerful. I remember throwing some screws in the cutlery basket (I always remove the handles of lids before loading them into the DW). Then I closed the cutlery basket's flip-down cover and added all the cutlery. At the end of the cycle all the screws were trapped in the filter - the water jet just shot them through the basket even though it was loaded with cutlery AND the cover was closed.

Alex
 
It is amazing how dw performance has been allowed to fall in the name of energy efficiency and quiet operation. Frigilux has shown us photographic proof that his Maytag gets dishes clean, but those cycles take as long as the pot smasher cycles on old WP and GE dishwashers of the 70s and 80s. My Maytag dishwasher washes well and in a relatively normal cycle time-wise although with just a tower that pops up through the lower rack, it cannot be packed like my 18 Superbas. It has a fan and dries really well, but the new dishwashers eliminated the fan to keep the machine more quiet. I don't know who needs a silent dishwasher, but I would let them have to wash dishes by hand three times a day for a family like we did back in the 1950s and see if a little bit of sound from a dishwasher is not better. I think that people who demand a silent dishwasher are either spoiled or dine mostly in restaurants and are divorced from the sounds of a kitchen, or are among the unfortunate few who have such small living space that the phone and home entertainment system are in the same small room as the dishwasher.
 
dishwasher performance

I have a 2 1/2 y/o Kenmore Elite dishwasher. Not quite the TOL model, but basically the same thing. Other than the fact that it has had a motor replacement before its first birthday, it seems to work fine. My observation has been that for the WP talltub machines, the type of detergent you use is very important. I have found that liquid/gel detergents cause the machine to sudslock. The water level is very low and for whatever reason gels suds up alot and that pretty much halts performance because the motor is basically pumping air and dishes are not getting cleaned. Cascade Complete powder has worked the best for this machine in my experience. No sudsing giving the motor full spraying power and cleans very well.

You have to be sure the rinse agent is full too. Newer WP are rather generous with the rinse agent so it doesn't last as long. 99% I've had good luck with this combination. Hope that helps someone.
 
I love my Bosch!

I had one in the old house and put one in this house too. It does take forever but cleans the hell out of everything I throw at it. The house had a 10 year old TOL GE that did an OK job of cleaning but I hated the racks (had the dreaded pop up tower) and the damn thing sounded like a truck in the kitchen.

I have put in crusty crock pots in this Bosch that come out clean and I don't have any of the gunk in the glasses that some talk about.

Mine has a short wash cycle but it doesn't seem to take much less time than the Super Scrub cycle. I am sorry to say I have a bunch of buttons on mine and always use the one for the extended scrub cycle.

Based on what I've read here I may try some of the others to see if the cleaning is any different. I use Cascade Complete powder in mine.
 
Gansky1:

I've had my Bosch dishwasher, Model #SHX46A, for just about 2yrs now. I just love the thing. Super,Super quiet, cleans like a white tornado, and I've only had 1 repair, the door handle came loose. Yes, It was expensive, however, you can usually get it on sale. I strongly recommend it.
 
Time/Temperature Correlation

Has anyone tried running one of these dishwashers that have cycles that go on forever on a water supply of 140F or higher
to see if it shortens the cycle? I am trying to find out if the main wash and last rinse (and any other portions of the cycle where water heating is done) are going to be as long even if the water does not have to be heated. In other words would it just grind on as if it were heating water but without the heating element being energized?
Thanks,
Tom
 
Retromom, what say you? Chime-in girl!

I like them in theory, but they are not as deep as American machines and the racking is a bit different....

At one time you could still get one with a TIMER! YAY

No heated dry option, BTW! But a super hot final rinse compensates for this!
 
Our absolutely BOL (somehow I relish saying that!)Kenmore (GE) builders grade DW has been running for 13 years without a hitch. We have used it just about every single day since we bought this place 5 years ago. It cleans well and it only takes about 50 minutes from start to end. I am sure our neighbors can hear it when it runs!
We used to pre rinse, but after reading that it may be better not to, we stopped that and just put the dishes in. It cleans just as well. We use either Wal-Mart detergent or Electrosol powder.
Of course it has no cycles. Just a dial that says "Start" and a hot dry/cool dry switch. They are still making this model under numerous brand names. I have even seen it on sale at Home Depot for $149.95 one time!
Of course we will get something better when we get around to our long thought of kitchen expansion/remodel.
 

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