New Maytag commercial top load washer video.
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48bencix
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Porcelain Enamel
Porcelain Enamel top and lid. I also like the graphics and knobs. Very plain and straight forward design.
Porcelain Enamel top and lid. I also like the graphics and knobs. Very plain and straight forward design.
Low Water Level
Dadoes
Now that's LOW!
48bencix...so this residential "commercial" Maytag has a porcelain lid and top? I saw the other commercial models do. I guess if it rolls off the same line as the other commercial machines then I guess it would.
What I would really like to see is the wash action with that single action flex vane with this motor. The flex vane agitator looks very much like what was used in BOL Kenmore DD units. I'll bet it is much more effective in this machine. [this post was last edited: 11/25/2017-16:24]
Now that's LOW!
48bencix...so this residential "commercial" Maytag has a porcelain lid and top? I saw the other commercial models do. I guess if it rolls off the same line as the other commercial machines then I guess it would.
What I would really like to see is the wash action with that single action flex vane with this motor. The flex vane agitator looks very much like what was used in BOL Kenmore DD units. I'll bet it is much more effective in this machine. [this post was last edited: 11/25/2017-16:24]
user 3941
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Kirk is posting a video of it washing just a few shirts and he said the water level is def lower than this last video.
washerdude
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That agitation gets me every time. Looks like it stayed on fast like agitation with no long slow short strokes during the wash. LOVE IT!
washerdude
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And not to mention, 2 RINSES with SPINS all in 53 minutes! AMAZING.
That's pretty good for a modern machine on this current platform. I wonder why though it changes agitation profiles? Since this machine doesn't have a sensor... I am curious to know how does it sense to use Lower water in the normal cycle?
This will be very interesting to see how this washer handles different loads. I want to see the power wash cycle. Now they have agitation that is worthy of the "powerwash" name with or without such a cycle.
This will be very interesting to see how this washer handles different loads. I want to see the power wash cycle. Now they have agitation that is worthy of the "powerwash" name with or without such a cycle.
Whirlpool had to do something. There are generations who purchased their washers and remembered those old reliable top loaders. We can only hope Whirlpool spreads this into their other model lines. Dump those useless wash plate Cabrios and make all the top loaders like this. Probably won't happen but what is life without hope?
murando531
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I love that the video of my Whirlpool (the one with the orange fabric softener in the dispenser) has been making its rounds, haha. 
But I LOVED that 4800 model. Four water level selections that ranged from the top of the lower agitator, to the top of the basket where it's shown here. And no dreaded thrashing while it filled either. It didn't even turn the tub for that matter, just filled, started with about a minute of short strokes to distribute, and then long strokes for the remainder, with short strokes at the end to balance before the spins. And a true rinse that filled to the selected level too. Sometimes I miss the simplicity and ease of use with that machine but it's now serving my aunt well after her '98 Frigidaire finally kicked. I wish I had gotten longer, full cycle videos of that washer while I had the chance.
But I LOVED that 4800 model. Four water level selections that ranged from the top of the lower agitator, to the top of the basket where it's shown here. And no dreaded thrashing while it filled either. It didn't even turn the tub for that matter, just filled, started with about a minute of short strokes to distribute, and then long strokes for the remainder, with short strokes at the end to balance before the spins. And a true rinse that filled to the selected level too. Sometimes I miss the simplicity and ease of use with that machine but it's now serving my aunt well after her '98 Frigidaire finally kicked. I wish I had gotten longer, full cycle videos of that washer while I had the chance.
Long stroke agitation
I think thats to re-distribute the load before the start of fast stroke washing and before spin.
I think thats to re-distribute the load before the start of fast stroke washing and before spin.
Thanks Joey! 
I'm going to be making popcorn tonight!
I'm going to be making popcorn tonight!
Thank-you for adding the videos, certainly helps to clarify the wash cycles and process. I, too, like to simplicity of the cycle selectors and layout. Always thought less is better. It appears to be a good machine, hope the durability proves to be long lasting. The tub size looks larger than a SQ from what I can tell, looks to wash larger loads than a SQ. I'm hoping this washer would be a good successor to the t/l SQ. I'll be watching comments to see if there would be any fabric damage due to the agitation, and any linting issues. Again, I agree with the comments that Whirlpool had to do something, SQ became a major threat and this is a defensive move.
It's all good though.
Barry
It's all good though.
Barry
Your welcome Barry. Just wanted to contribute and give a shout out to Kirk Rivas for filming all of these washer videos he is doing! Thank you Kirk!
I don't know if this model has the porcelain top and lid but if it does that to me already puts it ahead of Speed Queen.
I wonder if this washer was the answer to those videos of Speed Queen up against Whirlpool's various impeller machines showing how much better wash action the SQ has over WP. Probably more than likely and the fact that most of the threads I have seen on Speed Queen washers has been overwhelmingly positive.
Pat
I don't know if this model has the porcelain top and lid but if it does that to me already puts it ahead of Speed Queen.
I wonder if this washer was the answer to those videos of Speed Queen up against Whirlpool's various impeller machines showing how much better wash action the SQ has over WP. Probably more than likely and the fact that most of the threads I have seen on Speed Queen washers has been overwhelmingly positive.
Pat
If anyone gets in touch with Kirk tell him his videos are worth gold. I greatly appreciate them and I think even the none washer enthusiasts do as well judging by some of the comments. Its nice to know how your new machine will wash ahead of time, something that no one else does.
Given Whirlpool's products over the last few years, I'm impressed! Its good to see them becoming a brand that offers something for everyone again. If they came out with a model similar to this with a more intuitive and attractive control panel, I'd buy one!!
user 3941
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Yes I'm very impressed too. It would be nice if they did incorporate some of this technology in other washers. But given the price of this machine, I imagine it would be more expensive too. Probably part of the reason they ditched their DD wash system across the board. It was most likely getting more and more expensive to build them and they couldn't really raise the prices that much.
But either way, this machine is def a competitor with SQ.
But either way, this machine is def a competitor with SQ.
user 3941
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On another note...the actual commercial coin operated version of this machine does come in an electronic control panel model with display and buttons. So if this model is successful, perhaps they will offer an electronic version with more options, like soil level selector, etc.
Just commented on that board. I was wondering why on the last rinse the washer agitated at full power? That was the delicate cycle. This is definitely a worthy contender to Speed Queen.
Kirk said in another comment that Maytag was getting their ducks lined up for 2018.Got to ask him what he meant by that. Is Maytag coming out with more models with this kind of wash action and beefed up motor and cabinets? Something to look forward to.
Pat[this post was last edited: 11/26/2017-08:10]
Kirk said in another comment that Maytag was getting their ducks lined up for 2018.Got to ask him what he meant by that. Is Maytag coming out with more models with this kind of wash action and beefed up motor and cabinets? Something to look forward to.
Pat[this post was last edited: 11/26/2017-08:10]
VMW Price
This design is a lot cheaper than DDs, and a lot easier to service both in accessibility and weight. Thus far I have only worked on two VMW washers for friends, and I can tell you hands down these a breeze to work on. Everything is so much lighter and so much more easy to remove/re-install.
Also remember that transmission in DDs is solid poured metal, expensive to make. That and I heard that in the late 2000s Whirlpool needed to re-tool the DD transmission platform because it was cranking out parts that were failing prematurely.
If Whirlpool beefed up their VMW design, it could easily out last the DDs. Far fewer moving parts.
This design is a lot cheaper than DDs, and a lot easier to service both in accessibility and weight. Thus far I have only worked on two VMW washers for friends, and I can tell you hands down these a breeze to work on. Everything is so much lighter and so much more easy to remove/re-install.
Also remember that transmission in DDs is solid poured metal, expensive to make. That and I heard that in the late 2000s Whirlpool needed to re-tool the DD transmission platform because it was cranking out parts that were failing prematurely.
If Whirlpool beefed up their VMW design, it could easily out last the DDs. Far fewer moving parts.
I think the control panel is attractive in the sense that it has a tech look which enhances the commercial aspect of this washer. The price is a bit steep though, it's more than double the price of a high end Direct Drive Whirlpool from a few years ago.
<blockquote>ChetLaham: Everything is so much lighter and so much more easy to remove/re-install.</blockquote> But isn't lightweight-edness a large part of what makes them objectionable, cheap, and no good?
Mostly if said light weight breaks or fails prematurely.
user 3941
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It's just nice to see another simple, heavy duty machine on the market. Seems like the last few years have been so schizophrenic for Whirlpool trying to keep up with DOE mandates and/or consumer preference. Hopefully things will settle down now. This is a great product.
washerdude
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This machine does seem to be heavier than a Maytag TL which is comparable to this. This machine weighs 159 lbs, the Maytag MVWC416FW comes in at around 144 lbs, a 15 pound difference. Both machines are the same capacity, come with deep fill options and contain some form of agitator.
That spray rinse was interesting. I like how it pulled the water through the clothes then added more water. The spray rinse also seemed familiar...WP resource saver anyone? Those did 6 spray rinses during the spin, this machine, with the limitation of modern restrictions, did 3. Go figure.
Another thing which got me, again the spray rinse. The video had extra rinse off which is why some could argue to why it did not fill up to the top. However the manual *SEEMS* to state otherwise. Nowhere in the manual does it say to select extra rinse if fabric softener is added. In fact, it also clearly states you can add fabric softener manually during the final rinse if preferred. Once again, no mention of turning on extra rinse.
Based off of that, I can only draw one thing. The machine is now smart enough to know how light the load is and realizes that for a load that size, a spray rinse will be enough, but it will also be enough to satisfy testing needs. That's almost a nudge from WP to do heavier, larger loads (to provide better rinsing) in this *commercial* machine to resonate the meaning of commercial...smart.
That spray rinse was interesting. I like how it pulled the water through the clothes then added more water. The spray rinse also seemed familiar...WP resource saver anyone? Those did 6 spray rinses during the spin, this machine, with the limitation of modern restrictions, did 3. Go figure.
Another thing which got me, again the spray rinse. The video had extra rinse off which is why some could argue to why it did not fill up to the top. However the manual *SEEMS* to state otherwise. Nowhere in the manual does it say to select extra rinse if fabric softener is added. In fact, it also clearly states you can add fabric softener manually during the final rinse if preferred. Once again, no mention of turning on extra rinse.
Based off of that, I can only draw one thing. The machine is now smart enough to know how light the load is and realizes that for a load that size, a spray rinse will be enough, but it will also be enough to satisfy testing needs. That's almost a nudge from WP to do heavier, larger loads (to provide better rinsing) in this *commercial* machine to resonate the meaning of commercial...smart.
There is something to be said for the simplicity of this machine. Even if the machine is lighter weight.. BUT made with quality materials and craftsmanship that shouldn't really matter. As chetlaham said, beefing up the components they already have would be a smart move for them.
Whirlpool had two very successful runs with the BD and DD platforms and I don't see why they can't do it with this platform either. The thought of a machine that is lighter in weight and easier to work on and fix and performs the way an agitator top load should would be a win.
That was another thing JoeyPete, it was a shame to see the company that built some of the best top loaders ever go in the space of a decade to building dreck.
I didn't want another WP product after my Bravo X... there was some hope with the VMW agitator machines coming back.. and now this.. we can only hope things at Whirlpool get better and they produce a reliable top loader under this platform that has been around a little while now.
Pat
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Whirlpool had two very successful runs with the BD and DD platforms and I don't see why they can't do it with this platform either. The thought of a machine that is lighter in weight and easier to work on and fix and performs the way an agitator top load should would be a win.
That was another thing JoeyPete, it was a shame to see the company that built some of the best top loaders ever go in the space of a decade to building dreck.
I didn't want another WP product after my Bravo X... there was some hope with the VMW agitator machines coming back.. and now this.. we can only hope things at Whirlpool get better and they produce a reliable top loader under this platform that has been around a little while now.
Pat
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48bencix
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Painted Lid
Looks like this model has a painted lid. The coin model has the porcelain enamel top and lid. But you can get that model without the coin box. Also the coin models are smaller, 2.9 cu. ft. Warners Stellian has it for $100 off so the price probably will be less than suggested retail.
Looks a lot like the Whirlpool CAE2795FQ
http://https//www.homedepot.com/p/W...-Top-Load-Washer-in-White-CAE2795FQ/301845807
Looks like this model has a painted lid. The coin model has the porcelain enamel top and lid. But you can get that model without the coin box. Also the coin models are smaller, 2.9 cu. ft. Warners Stellian has it for $100 off so the price probably will be less than suggested retail.
Looks a lot like the Whirlpool CAE2795FQ
http://https//www.homedepot.com/p/W...-Top-Load-Washer-in-White-CAE2795FQ/301845807
Guys is it me or does the porcelain coated wash baskets in the Amana washers and Whirlpools seem smaller than the super capacity direct drives? Yet they claim more capacity that the DD washers which were 3.0-3.2 cf.?
They look smaller and narrower like the early DD washer baskets. I'm getting old.
Pat
They look smaller and narrower like the early DD washer baskets. I'm getting old.
Pat
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