New Miele G 6000 EcoFlex dishwasher with QuickPowerWash

[mielerod69]

Hi everyone,

Miele is launching a new G 6000 series dishwasher with QuickPowerWash programme. This cycle has been tested to provide 'A' rated cleaning results in less than one hour. This programme has been in their W1 series washing machines for some time now.
Temperature is 65 degrees (149 deg F) for the main wash and final rinse. It does do an interim rinse. Total water consumption is 11.5 liters (3 US gallons)

New basket design elements have also been introduced for even better stacking.

Press releases

Premiere at Eurocucina: Miele G 6000 EcoFlex dishwashers feature greater speedeconomy and loading convenience | Miele | Mehr über

www.miele.de

 

[logixx]

Thanks!

Hm, sounds like Miele got some inspiration from BSH with the way they are preheating the water and the cycle is almost identical to the 55-minute Fast 149°F cycle on mine.

 

[richnz]

Look forward to

trying the dishwasher tabs.

Is this where the magic is?

http://www.miele.co.uk/domestic/miele-detergents-1817.htm?mat=10245600&name=GS_CL_0604_T

However, the ingredients don't look to out-of-the-ordinary.

Rod,

The NZ and AU G6000 dishwashers don't seem to have the drying condenser anymore. Is it just us down-under who miss out or is it everyone?

Why do NZ and AU machines have different operating noise levels to the UK?
Different ways of measuring or more noise for us down under too?

 

[logixx]

I think the condenser is only available on the PG models. I have a service manual from a few years ago and it already indicates that the condensers were removed and that air is simply blown around the tub during condensation drying.

I did look at the manual for the G6997 and see how the Eco cycle got its efficiency rating: 54C (129F) wash, followed by a rinse and a 44C (111F) final rinse. Cycle time is 3:42 with cold water or 20 minutes less with hot water going into the dishwasher. Fortunately, the Eco cycle is the only one running so cool and long*.

* with the exception of the Overnight cycle

 

[mielerod69]

Noise levels

The machine in the EU measures its noise level using their ECO programme which runs quieter than the AU version. The AU version uses higher pressure spray during certain parts of the programme which affects the noise levels average values.

 

[richnz]

Turbothermic drying

Is that what the thing on the right is called?
I remember looking at a few different units in the showroom and they didn't have the drying unit under the green felt soundproofing and there was no opening on the underside on the right too.

The new heating system does sound very Bosch.

But no heatpump?
I suppose we'll have to wait to find out.

 

[logixx]

So far, I think V-Zug is the only company to have a heat-pump dishwasher.

 

[richnz]

Great picture

However considering how much space this heatpump unit occupies they may be the only heatpump dishwasher maker still.
What a beast.
Extra tall sized with regular sized wash cavity.

Im assuming this machine is like this because it needed a repair.
Manifold gauges or multimeter for this repair?

Thanks for the info Rod on how the noise levels were determined.

 

[logixx]

Here's where I have the picture from.

Energy Efficient Dishwasher

V-ZUG AG has developed and produced household appliances for more than 100 years and is the Swiss market leader. Ever since its foundation the company strives to introduce new and innovative household appliances into the market.

www.hslu.ch

 

[richnz]

Deeply impressive.

 

[henene4]

Cycle times

These cycle times are way longer then the "previous" line-up!

Automatic is now 2:05, up to 3:21, but final rinses on that cycle can reach up to 70°C. It basicly gained 40 minutes.
Intensiv, Delicates as well as Normal seem to have grown by something like 30 minutes, power and water consumption seem to be barely improved.

I'm really interested to see if they change something about the SlimLine models as well, but it seems not quite a major improvement, nor a step back.

 

[logixx]

From the UK manual (http://www.miele.co.uk/forms2/uk/sa/manuals-125.aspx?mNo=10384700&asDownload=1)

 

[henene4]

The TOL models manual until now for comparison:

 

[logixx]

I'll stick with V-Zug and their 3 kW heater.

 

[henene4]

3 Things I don't like about the VZug

1. Only an,optional prewash on Intensive.
2. Consistent low final rinse temp.
3. Low temp range on the Automatic cycle.

However, cycles are incredibly fast. And well selected.
But, one thing I love about Mieles still: The nuclear wipe out Intensive cycle.

 

[logixx]

I *think* switching the AutoOpen function on the Zug off, could increase the admittedly low final rinse temp. The manual makes it sound like this by saying that automatic door opening gives optimal drying with lower energy consumption. Turning it off also increases cycle time.

 

[henene4]

2 questions:

1. Do you think Miele just "copy-pasted" the BSH heat exchanger idea with the tank integrated into the side wall and heat exchange via recirculating water inside the DW or did they add a special tank where this exchange can take place?

2. Do you think that TurboThermic drying actually got lost on that lineup? (Or did I get the idea wrong in reply #2?)

Both things I highly doubt, simply due to the fact that the manual allows to bypass the heat exchange system for hot water connections and that this machine has a "drain system" operation.
If there wouldn't be a kind of TurboThermic drying (maybe they now cool the whole tank), one key feature of the AutoOpen drying would get lost as well (work top protection via the air stream of the drying fan carrying away all the steam). And with the tank system deactivated, there would be no other drying method then.

Further, the seperate tank idea could explain the longer cycle times: The DW just allows pause time between fills to exchange heat between old and new water. That could explain further why the QuickPowerWash uses the same Energy in 1 hour as the intensive does in 3 1/2 hours: No heat exchange times.

But it adds the question as to how Miele would handle the soil in the water settling down in the heat exchange tank. Though the last water remaining in said tank would be the clean final rinse water, but after the main wash quite a mass of solid food could mess up heat exchange.

 

[logixx]

This is from a service manual that dates back to the G1000 units. You can see that Miele had already began  dropping the condenser pocket back then.

 

[richnz]

This seems to be what is in the G6000 units

So how will this work if the new heat exchanger is mounted on the right side?
Won't that mean less space for the fan to blow onto?

I also have wondered about its effectiveness considering the side is covered in thick bitumen (Or something like it)