New Miele W1/T1 coming soon for US market

[launderess]

Finally

No where in the manual does it mention using empty/refillable containers with the TwinDos system.

One either uses Miele TwinDos detergents as dispensed, the caps or go with one's own choice of whatever. The last are simply placed into the detergent drawer dispenser as common practice.

This is what one is on about: https://www.miele.co.uk/domestic/in...-drawer-2115.htm?mat=10223120&name=NB_TD_0021

https://www.gumtree.com/p/washing-m...l-containers-x-2-brand-new-in-box-/1229630262

To be fair it does seem many had issues using those refillable canisters, so maybe they aren't long for the world in Europe either.

 

[iej]

@henene4

Mine came with a year's supply of Ultra Phase 1 and 2 and also two refillable cartridges.

I've yet to try it with my own detergent combinations as I find the Ultra Phase detergents pretty good and I don't really want to try something gloopy in the dosing pump.

Ultra Phase liquid in the cartridges is about as thick as a runny fabric softener, whereas most of the liquids on sale here are a lot less free-running.

Has anyone had experience of using it with 3rd party detergent ?

In some ways, it would make more sense for me to have the machine dispensing detergent and softener and just add a scoop of wash boosting peroxide based bleach for whites.

 

[rolls_rapide]

Maybe Miele should investigate a 3-cartridge system? One with Ultraphase 1 + 2 + Fabric Conditioner?

 

[mielerod69]

refillable containers

I have used Ariel colour liquid detergent as well as Persil color in the refillable containers. Both detergents worked fine. The Persil color is runnier than Ariel. The second cartridge I have used different types of fabric softener and they have all work ed.

BTW, Miele Germany have released a model similar to the ones that are going to be released in the US. The control panel is similar.

 

[Marky_Mark]

Electrical Connection

Regarding the electrical hookup, I would agree with jkbff's post (reply 36).  As the Miele adapter has two fuses, I would assume it would split the two legs of the 240-V 30-Amp multiwire branch circuit into two separate 120 Volt 15 Amp circuits each on opposing phases typically having two breakers with a common trip tie so that if one trips, they both trip.  This way, both the washer and the dryer can be run simultaneously with no problems as they would effectively both be on separate circuits but with a shared neutral.  If only one of the adapter's outlets is being used, the current will run via the neutral and one of the live wires (or grounded and ungrounded conductors, as the NEC likes to refer to them as).  If they are both in use, then the current will run between the two live legs up to the point at which the two loads balance, with the remainder flowing via the neutral.  That would be my guess regarding the adapter.  <span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;">
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[launderess]

Pictures

Someone over on THS (see link above) took pictures of the new Miele washers and dryers from KBS 2018 show. Overall units appear to be rather nice.

Another poster to same thread confrimed Miele won't be selling the "empty" refillable canisters, and work arounds aren't possible because of programming.

With TwinDos even when "colors" is selected a small amount of the oxygen bleach is dispensed. So if that canister has something else in it; that is what one will get in the wash.

Thus far it seems as if Miele has removed such programming from units to be sold in North America. However once units arrive am sure sooner or later an owner is going to post about attempts to *hack* or otherwise play with programming. Then we shall see shan't we?

 

[aamassther]

Mostly H2O2

Here's a link to the Phase 2 ingredients list from the UK site. It's mostly H2O2 with some OBA's and surfactants thrown in.

https://www.miele.co.uk/pmedia/ZGP/data_sheet/100125572-000-00_UltraPhase2_11997107.pdf
 

Here are the Phase 1 ingredients:

 

https://www.miele.co.uk/pmedia/ZGP/data_sheet/100125570-000-00_UltraPhase1_11997106.pdf
 

It's certainly an enzyme heavy mix!

 

 

[mrboilwash]

In Germany there are plenty of dirt cheap alternatives to UltraPhase 1.

Obviously made by Dalli Werke, 6 Enzymes, very high surfactants content but still low in viscosity (free running)

http://https//www.dm.de/denkmit-colorwaschmittel-fluessig-p4010355214959.html

 

[mrboilwash]

Full ingredients list

http://https//cdn02.dm-static.com/f...0/Denkmit_Colorwaschmittel_1,5l_dm46060-5.pdf

 

[rolls_rapide]

Reply #66

I know that other folk have mentioned that test labs reported that powders cleaned better in the Miele, than Miele's own Twindos Ultraphase detergents. Perhaps that is because of a few possible reasons:

a) the powder is more abrasive;
b) the powder contains a bleach activator, TAED;
c) the powder has a better range of builders and chelating agents;
d) powders are, by their nature, dried concentrates.

Liquids on the other hand contain water - possibly a greater ratio of water in the Miele concoctions, as others have reported that the Miele formulations seem quite fluid in comparison to the likes of P&G's and Unilever's viscous liquids. Or maybe Miele purposely left out a thickener.

 

[mrboilwash]

Miele`s UltraPhase 1 seems to be even a little more concentrated than Miele`s "standard" UltraColor liquid or Dalli`s DM discounter detergent both of them list 15-30% anionic and 5-15% nonionic surfactants which is a decent amount when dosed at 66 ml (Miele) or 75 ml (DM) for a standart load.
UltraPhase 1 gets you 37 loads at 1,5 l, so it`s only 41 ml per load. Unfortunately can not find anything about surfactants percentage in this one.

At risk of repeating myself, viscosity has nothing to do with a detergent`s concentration. Anything concerning viscosity can be modified like adding thickeners to make consumers believe to get more for their money or like adding more solvents to avoid gelling e.g. if you wanted a product to be easily flushed in over the detergent drawer or by a pump.

It`s not surprising that a good powder can outperform (cleaningwise) the UltraPhase system.
Enzyme containing liquids are pH wise generally way less caustic than most powders and a mild liquid H2O2 solution can not compare to a powerful NOBS or TAED activated dry bleaching system.
We simply cannot have both at once, the gentleness of liquids and the power of powders. Besides powders wouldn`t do so well in an automatic dosing system.