New Miele W4842 & T9822

[ronhic]

mmmmm

Stainless v's plastic outer drums....

...and it is interesting that Miele does nothing to protect their electronics from any potential water/moisture issues...

 

[nmassman44]

With mine I got the repair manual and I am thinking that maybe the manuals have been superceded by another updated manual. Nothing what they said to do worked. One thing with the washer is you may find that you wont need the Extended wash option. I never use mine since the HydroMatic wash action is so powerful that it will over work your clothes and they will come out looking very tired. Plus it extends the total wash time to about 2+ hours.
The dryer is very fast. I have the electric 9800 and the load rarely ever gets above body temp. Stop the dryer about midway thru the cycle and you will see that the load isnt hot like in other dryers. They work as a team and I always use the Max spin speed. That alone makes the dryer do its job fast. The dryer will be done before the washer is.
And one other thing. When using the dryer make sure you can open a window near the dryer to let fresh air into the room. This dryer will pull all the heat out of your house in the wintertime. And in no time flat too. If you hear the fan struggling to get proper airflow thru the drum it is very noticeable in the sound. As you use the dryer you will see what I mean.

 

[mieleforme]

Nice Insides!

I agree they are well designed.The quality of the lid even impressed me. The stainless outer tub looks very nice, good thing I don't have to look at my plastic one everyday

When I washed our comforter last night (Cal King, fits great) I was even more impressed. The venting process the washer goes through for the master care "comforters" selection is brilliant. So simple but very effective. Well Done Miele, bravo!

 

[favorit]

Chris

that hose you can see on the top of the tub vents steam into the *sealed* drawer to condensate, so no moisture in the cabinet.

PC boards need to be cooled down. The tub itself is a heat source, a protection may make things worse

Your Zanussi-Westinghouse has that hose too

 

[mieleforme]

Electronics/Drum

Actually I thought putting the electronics on top was a good protection measure. Im my Maytag Neptune there was a control board under the tub with little protection. Probably the stupid place possible to put it.

As for the Plastic Drum. I have been told that it was designed to accommodate the American market using bleach. Apparently bleach sitting in the bottom of a SS drum isn't a good thing. I don't use bleach in this machine but the option is nice. I will say this plastic drum is supper thick and very, very strong. It almost appears to be a little over built, but I guess thats why a Miele will run for years.

 

[mysteryclock]

Fiberglas

It was mentioned over in the archived thread below (which contains more disassembly pics, btw) that the tub is actually a kind of fiberglass so it should be quite durable since they make boats out of that stuff. The other stated benefit (besides bleach resistance) is that it helps hold the heat in better than a single-wall stainless tub, which is especially important with the larger sized tub. Considering it only has a 120v heater onboard, the more help it can get from the design keeping all that volume heated the better. That's probably less of an issue on the EU sized machines given the smaller capacity.

http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/ARCHIVE/MODERN/2007/13728x54.htm

 

[bernina]

thanks for the photos, guys!

Andrew, thanks for taking the time to pop the top on your new 3033... I'm actually going after work today to do some pre-shopping for one of my own!

The Illinois Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity his offering a 15% rebate on ENERGY STAR qualified clothes washers, dishwashers, refrigerators, freezers and room air conditioners for items purchased from participating retailers during April 16 – 25, 2010.

I'm going to find out details, if I have to wait to actually purchase it in April or just take delivery then. Don't want to miss out on this opportunity--the rebate will take ~$300 off the price.

 

[mieleforme]

First Vid

 

[appnut]

Great vid. Lookin forward to more. Cute kids. Good to know the Miele will be really be put through it's paces dealin with kid laundry!!

 

[mieleforme]

Miele Videos

Moving vids to a new youtube account just for all this washer stuff. My previous link wont work for long.

http://www.youtube.com/user/mrmieleusa

 

[mrb627]

Dryer Tumbling

I would like to see a video of the dryer reverse tumbling, if possible.

Thanks,
Malcolm

 

[paulc]

mieleforme

Congrats on your new machines........you will love them more each time you use them!!

 

[mieleforme]

Photos at Night

Photos with the Drum lights.

http://www.youtube.com/user/mrmieleusa#p/a/u/0/8U9TmirKBUU

 

[mieleforme]

Video Of Dryer

Reverse tumble starts at the end of the cycle in this video.

 

[bertrum]

Very shocked Miele have gone down the plastic tub route as well!.
Very sad, I suppose even Miele are on the cost cutting slippery slope as well.

Check your pockets or it could be a new machine is my advice!

 

[favorit]

Fiberglass, not plastic

Bertrum

- there are still around several early nineties Zanussi with Carboran outer tub. Still working

- Also european miele toploaders have a fiberglass outertub.
Both miele toploaders and american W48XX are niche products = each machine is charged with a higher depreciation rate of the production line.

However they have been able to make the W48XX slightly less expensive than the euro sized W3033. Also a stainless steel outer tub dissipates heat much faster than a fiberglass one.
Not a big issue with our 2000/3000 Watt internal heaters, but it does matter in americal models with a ***1200 W*** heater for a ****double sized machine***

 

[appnut]

Does the reverse tumble happen only during the cool down or does it do it some during the heated dry phase?

 

[mieleforme]

Reverse Tumble

It does do a reverse tumble during the drying stage but they are few and far between. I have only caught it a few times and I’m not sure it does it all of the time. There must be some sort of logic controlling that function that I don’t understand. When it goes on cool down as you see in the video, it always alternates rotation. It’s amazing at what a difference that makes in a dryer.

 

[appnut]

I have no doubt you will have that all pegged down and sorted out in due time!! Thanks!!

 

[favorit]

Reverse tumble logic

This dryer has separate motors for blower and drum

The pc-board reads the drum motor current draw. As soon as laundry starts tangling up into a ball, the motor suddenly draws more current, cause the wrapped up laundry is heavier to tumble. This current peak acts as signal for the reversion step.

The very same logic is used by the washer to detect the load size, so to match the right wash profile.

The pc-board matches motor current draws with load adsorbement data coming from the flow-meter,
then states wash step time , wash tumbling pattern, rinse tumbing pattern, number of rinses and water level used during rinses

My 11 y.o. novotronic works this way .... i'm pretty sure latest mieles also have the same logic at least