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I also think that the size of the holes in the drum have something to do with the oversudsing on spin. They are half the diameter of a regular exit hole and there are 80% fewer of them compared to a Bosch or other brand. The honeycomb design of the drum does make a difference I think in performance and whats interesting is that fact that towels dont have the hole pattern on them. I used the Sanitize cycle last night to clean out the washer and the wash water temp got nice and hot. The door was hot to the touch. So this washer does raise the water temp nicely.
I am going to be using Persil, British Ariel and SA8 in this washer. Tide HE does OK as well...but not with towels...why I dunno but somehow Tide HE will suds too much during spin.
 
Whatever holes are left from spinning in my Miele, or any other front loader has never bothered me, as by the time they are dry everything is fluffy.

Question: Does your Miele engage the heater on all was cycles, including "Normal"? One poster over on THS made quite a bit of noise in that her machine didn't and gave Miele so much grief regarding the matter they actually TOOK the machines back.

Thanks,

L.
 
Oh the holes dont bother me either...I just noticed that they didnt leave a pattern after the high final spin. The washer does indeed heat the water. It will pull the hot water off my water heater and then if its not hot enough add its own heat. My water heater is set at 135 which is 5 degrees higher than what Miele recommends. But the washer doesnt have a problem keeping the water warm and getting it very hot if I need it. The heater is engaged when its needed. After using the extra whites cycle I checked how hot the water was coming out of the drain hose and indeed it was very hot. I would say about 150 hot. The Sanitize temp gets the water a very hot 170 degrees. It does add time to the cycle but it gets the job done heating to where it should be. All this on 120 volts.
 
Thanks! One thing to give a heads up on with the washer is that if you have cat or dog...this washer does not remove the hair...it will stay in the drum. The dryer takes care of the fur. I had to vacuum out the washer after washing a blanket that my cats had been sleeping on. It was somewhat surprising since I never had that problem with any other washer I had used.
The other thing is that the vanes on the washer are solid...no holes to shower the load like other brands have. But it doesnt need the holes since it scoops the water up and onto the load. Besides the cat hair thing I am loving my new washer.
 
Howdy, congrats on your scoring of these beautiful machines. I'm thinking of up grading. The question I have is are Meile's as skimpy on the water usage as their American cousins? Thanks
 
Hey there Bud... I would have to say that they are very frugal with water. I should take a picture of the water level without clothes to get an idea. But thats not the true amount it would use since clothes towels etc soak up water differently. The washer seems to use what it needs and does clean well. Rinsing is exceptional since there are high speed spins between each rinse cycle. By the final rinse the water is clear.
 
Though mine are European models, mine are very economical with water and you can't see the water level at all during the wash cycles. However during the rinses the water will overlap the rim of the drum on cottons cycles, or will come up the window on the minimum iron and delicate cycles. The interim spinning, as with most modern washers, plays an important an effective part in rinsing the laundry.

Mike - nice machines anyway. I love the mega Miele's, can't wait until they're released here. BTW, taking a photo of the water level without laundry in the drum won't show how much water it will use in operation as it will alter the water level depending on how full the load is, and with an empty load it will only fill a teeny portion into the tub whereas with a fuller load the water would be deeper :-).

Jon
 
Just a gentle thought

the speed of which an interim spin is has not that great an effect on rinse ability. I saw with my very own eyes at Mikes, a machine that did gentle slow interim spins yet rinsed far better than I can get with the LG Being re set after I have run a 1200rpm Maximum cotton spin after the wash and high water level rinses. Fast spins after wash and rinse only force muck and detergent back into the fibres and encourage suds lockz. High water levels dont really rinse that much better too. When using Horizon or Persil Performance detergent at school the Hoover Logic 1200 rarely had an exceptionally really clear final rinse. Its about how the water is used. One reason why Zanussi Jetsystems rinse so superbly on low levels. I got the same rinse standard from my Zanussi than the Hoover Logic at school using mega litres of water. I agree though that pet hair is only removable in high water. Nice Miele set. Good to see this brand gaining popularity. Its a good sign for the industy and other brands will hopefully buck ideas up to improve the quality they have lost over the years. :) :) :) Rob
 
Rob, interim spins do indeed help with rinsing from what I've found - the majority of suds are spun out of the laundry before the rinse cycle even begins so leaves laundry with less detergent residue to rinse out in the first place. Suds and dirt aren't forced back into the fibres at all - bearing in mind the surfactants in detergents suspend dirt in the water and don't allow it to deposit back onto the laundry again - plus the fact that the majority of any dirt suspended in the water is drained out before the spin starts, and provided a good dose of detergent is used then dirt shouldn't be deposited back onto laundry at all no matter how fast the interim spin. Sudslocks for me only occur on the rare occasion where too much detergent is used though the gentle run up to spin on our Miele at least prevents suds lock, and I rarely get sudslock even with towels. If you select a speed of 700rpm or lower on a cottons cycle on my machine it will actually add an extra rinse and increase the water levels, that alone to me says that the interim spins must be important otherwise the machine wouldn't be programmed to do that.

Rinsing is a combination of factors - if you have more spinning the less water/amount of rinses you need, if you have less spinning then the more water and amount of rinses you need.

I'm not sure anymore if high levels are needed for pet hair either - though pet hair was a major major problem with our Bosch machine the Miele's water levels, even on the standard low rinses, don't seem to have a problem getting dog hair off laundry at all, though you will have them collect in the door seal as the rinse water can't reach the seal to wash them away. The only use high water levels serve to me are the washday drama which is assosciated with it :-).

Jon
 
Now I am curious about the wrinkle-free cycle that is on the washer. I will try the cycle the next time I do shirts and maybe even try the delicates or hand wash cycle to see if the water levels are higher. I agree with jon that spinning does make a difference. The washer doesnt use the Max spin speed but the high speed..I dont know how fast it is but it does a world of good for the load. I would have to say that on the Extra whites cycle that there are 3 rinses with an option for a 4th. On sensitive setting it adds the extra rinse but doesnt raise the water level in the drum. I am wondering if the models being sold here in North America are different than whats sold over in Europe.
 
That is a beautiful washer and dryer. I am curious though about the pet hair in the washer. My current Frigidaire FL is slowly dying and today at Lowes, the partner mentioned getting a new washer and dryer for Christmas. I mentioned the Miele as it seems favorable. However we have two short hair dogs that do spend time on blankets and such, but I'm not sure I want to vacuum the washer!! And now in Jon's post he mentions this same thing about a Bosch machine, which would have been another choice.
 
Older front loading washing machines, even those made by Miele didn't spin after the wash for two main reasons, IIRC: fear of suds lock and causing creasing in laundry that had been washed at temperatures of >140F.

My vintage Miele, like other frontloaders from the 1980's and early 1980's has two rinses after the wash without spins in between. Today of course given water consumption issues for washing machines, most all washers simply spin after the wash to remove more soap/detergent so there is less to dilute out in subsequent rinses. Less detergent/soap to dilute out, means less rinses. Of course this depends upon one using the correct detergent so the machine can do a proper spin after the wash cycle, and not lock up due to excess foam.

Commercial frontloaders rarely went thourgh all the palaver of rinses after a wash, even on PP cycle; they simply drain and get on with things. Of course such machines have no pump, and drain into a sewer line, thus have little to fear regarding suds lock.

Pet Hair:

Depending upon how much of it there is, one finds frontloaders in general do not compare to say top loaders in pet hair removal. My Miele uses quite allot of water for washing and rinsing, still one finds masses of pet hair on the dryer lint screen, or when shaking wet laundry out to go on the line. On and yes, there is lots of hair in the drum, around the boot as well. Usually just run a quick wash cycle with a bit of detergent to flush all the muck of of the machine.

L.
 
Its really not that bad as far as the pet hair goes. I am used to a clean drum when I use a front load washer. The dryer will remove whatever the washer has not removed...so if you dry your clothes on the line it might be an issue but if you use the dryer it wont be.
 

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