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Interesting! Thanks for finding! I wish I could understand the manuals. Louis, where are you?
Major changes
New Era of Miele?
In past few decades, one pattern of the back of the drum was used, now it's changed? (as far as I can see on the picture)
In past few decades, doors were opening with the button, but now on both washer and dryer, they are opened with door handle
Interesting, can't wait to get more info, or maybe even videos on their channel
Dex
New Era of Miele?
In past few decades, one pattern of the back of the drum was used, now it's changed? (as far as I can see on the picture)
In past few decades, doors were opening with the button, but now on both washer and dryer, they are opened with door handle
Interesting, can't wait to get more info, or maybe even videos on their channel
Dex
paulc
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Oh my..........
I'm in washer lust! Although I do think the dryer facia would look better as a mirror image of the washer, sitting side by side I feel the look would be better.
I'm in washer lust! Although I do think the dryer facia would look better as a mirror image of the washer, sitting side by side I feel the look would be better.
"Louis, where are you?"
Yoohoo! I'm here!
Those are only datasheets, what didn't you understand what Google translate couldn't solve?
Since this series is called the W1 series, I was wondering if these are the replacements for the W1000 series. They're goodlooking machines, but what on earth is that second door at the bottom for? They seem rather expensive.
Yoohoo! I'm here!
Those are only datasheets, what didn't you understand what Google translate couldn't solve?
Since this series is called the W1 series, I was wondering if these are the replacements for the W1000 series. They're goodlooking machines, but what on earth is that second door at the bottom for? They seem rather expensive.
I have found the manual for the dryer and the washer, unfortunately they are in Dutch but maybe you can translate them.
http://data.vandenborre.be/manual/MIELE/MIELE_M_NL_GA TKG 450 WP.pdf
http://data.vandenborre.be/manual/MIELE/MIELE_M_NL_GA TKG 450 WP.pdf
manual for the washer
Here is the manual for the washer, seems a very interesting machine.
next to 'productnaam' you have to enter 'WKH 170' and enter then the manual will download.
http://www.miele.be/be/nl/huishoud/produkten/manualshg.aspx
Here is the manual for the washer, seems a very interesting machine.
next to 'productnaam' you have to enter 'WKH 170' and enter then the manual will download.
http://www.miele.be/be/nl/huishoud/produkten/manualshg.aspx
Sophisticated washer
Well I have read the manual of the washer and it has lots of dosing options such as a system for the dosing of caps(in the drawer) and an autodos system with two containers.
It has a lot of options and functions such as steam. the water plus function is more elaborate you can choose between 4 different levels from normal to very high and you can now also choose the option where the washer always takes the maximum high water level for the rinses. (also known as max water on previous machines but now easier to programm)
Another thing that astonished me is the fact that it has 2 pumps behind the filter door.
It looks like a very nice machine with a lot of functions and programs, I do hope it is still reliable.
Well I have read the manual of the washer and it has lots of dosing options such as a system for the dosing of caps(in the drawer) and an autodos system with two containers.
It has a lot of options and functions such as steam. the water plus function is more elaborate you can choose between 4 different levels from normal to very high and you can now also choose the option where the washer always takes the maximum high water level for the rinses. (also known as max water on previous machines but now easier to programm)
Another thing that astonished me is the fact that it has 2 pumps behind the filter door.
It looks like a very nice machine with a lot of functions and programs, I do hope it is still reliable.
<a name="start_47157.685342">Those are only datasheets, what didn't you understand what Google translate couldn't solve? </a>
I was talking about the manuals, which I tried to read last night. My French is clearly better than my Dutch, as I found out... which is interesting, since Dutch is kinda similar to German.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Brochure:</span>
http://www.christiaens.be/De nieuwe dimensie voor het perfecte wasresultaat -W1 & T1.pdf
[this post was last edited: 6/24/2013-14:45]
I was talking about the manuals, which I tried to read last night. My French is clearly better than my Dutch, as I found out... which is interesting, since Dutch is kinda similar to German.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Brochure:</span>
http://www.christiaens.be/De nieuwe dimensie voor het perfecte wasresultaat -W1 & T1.pdf
[this post was last edited: 6/24/2013-14:45]
Two pumps?
I have taken a look at the user's manual: from the pictures at page 72 (French version, section "Problems and solutions") it seems that there are two drain pumps (and two filters too).
Seems strange... Also because the text always says "pump" and not "pumps": maybe the famous Miele quality has made a mistake with the pictures?
I have taken a look at the user's manual: from the pictures at page 72 (French version, section "Problems and solutions") it seems that there are two drain pumps (and two filters too).
Seems strange... Also because the text always says "pump" and not "pumps": maybe the famous Miele quality has made a mistake with the pictures?
l86810
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wow!! They're beautiful!
I wonder if the two filters is due to a recirculating jet? *dies*
I wonder if the two filters is due to a recirculating jet? *dies*
One of these pumps sems to be a recirculation pump. Would be nice at all after years taking Miele to recognize this a effective way of rinsing. My dutch is better the my france, so, i'm luchy Hope, these will be sold here in Germany, too.
Hope, these will be sold here in Germany, too.
paulc
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From the looks of the brochure it does in fact have a recirculation pump called powerwash.
PowerSpray
PowerSpray is the Spray, PowerWash is a cycle. Seems to be kind a 45 min 5 kg fast wash or something like that.
PowerSpray is the Spray, PowerWash is a cycle. Seems to be kind a 45 min 5 kg fast wash or something like that.
Germany and Belgium
I find curious that these new washing machines seem to be introduced in Belgium before Germany (I cannot find anything on the German Miele site) however also Electrolux introduce new products in Belgium first.
I wonder what the reason might ever be.
And yes: a recirculation pump seems a sensible explanation
I find curious that these new washing machines seem to be introduced in Belgium before Germany (I cannot find anything on the German Miele site) however also Electrolux introduce new products in Belgium first.
I wonder what the reason might ever be.
And yes: a recirculation pump seems a sensible explanation
Yes, it's a recirculation pump. See here:
https://www.google.de/patents/EP255...KG"+washing+machine&ei=ap7IUa63N4iztAarh4GgCA
Just go to Google Patents and search for: inassignee:"Miele & Cie. KG" and washing machine (or dryer or whatever) and have the results sorted by filing date (under search tools). There's also information on the dosing devices and more.
https://www.google.de/patents/EP255...KG"+washing+machine&ei=ap7IUa63N4iztAarh4GgCA
Just go to Google Patents and search for: inassignee:"Miele & Cie. KG" and washing machine (or dryer or whatever) and have the results sorted by filing date (under search tools). There's also information on the dosing devices and more.
Miele
Interesting design, like the larger display and monochrome effect, dont like the Ultima style fascias that dont match up side to side - its getting more difficult to style a new machine that isnt completely new and original these days!!
Interesting design, like the larger display and monochrome effect, dont like the Ultima style fascias that dont match up side to side - its getting more difficult to style a new machine that isnt completely new and original these days!!
You can get them from the link I posted.
Oh no, not Miele as well !
I hope they won`t extend the recirculation pump concept to their whole line.
Hopefully Bosch and Siemens are not going to jump on that bandwagon anytime soon.
I know I`m probably outnumbered but I don`t like recirculation pumps in washers.
I hope they won`t extend the recirculation pump concept to their whole line.
Hopefully Bosch and Siemens are not going to jump on that bandwagon anytime soon.
I know I`m probably outnumbered but I don`t like recirculation pumps in washers.
"but I don`t like recirculation pumps in washers"
Why not?
Why not?
I find them utterly unsanitary.
In my current Miele with the common ball valve to prevent detergent loss the outer drum can dry out compleatly and nothing that grows in the sump will ever touch the next load.
Anything that grows in a dishwasher sump and recirculation system is usually killed at least in the last rinse.
In my current Miele with the common ball valve to prevent detergent loss the outer drum can dry out compleatly and nothing that grows in the sump will ever touch the next load.
Anything that grows in a dishwasher sump and recirculation system is usually killed at least in the last rinse.
glenfieldmathk1
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Thats nice..
Looks very similar to Bosch Home Professional (well door & drum back does!).
..Its great to see that Miele are keeping up and introducing the new design. There designs until now, all looked quite old fashioned, so I am impressed to see this more modern approach.
Looking at the Manuals, it seems this one doesn't Dose Powder, unlike the current AutoDose set up. However this one does Fabric softener instead. I guess this built in AutoDose is better as you haven't got that device to position in the house anymore, though could be a pain to have to bend down and refill for many people, unless on a stand/pedestal.
If I am correct, the Power wash is the same as Bosch Powerwash/Speed Perfect. A 60 minute, 5KG wash.
Whens it due to Launch, in other countries?
Meanwhile - I agree with comments about spray systems etc.
There's no need for them, and I very much hope Bosch Don't introduce them.
All they do is spray the already wet washing with the same water that its tumbling in anyway. I hope this doesn't mean Miele's distribution style intensive tumbles haven't been replaced with normal ones.
Has it been proven that re-circulation actually cleans better?? I don't think it has. It just reduces rinse results if its used during the rinses.
Looks very similar to Bosch Home Professional (well door & drum back does!).
..Its great to see that Miele are keeping up and introducing the new design. There designs until now, all looked quite old fashioned, so I am impressed to see this more modern approach.
Looking at the Manuals, it seems this one doesn't Dose Powder, unlike the current AutoDose set up. However this one does Fabric softener instead. I guess this built in AutoDose is better as you haven't got that device to position in the house anymore, though could be a pain to have to bend down and refill for many people, unless on a stand/pedestal.
If I am correct, the Power wash is the same as Bosch Powerwash/Speed Perfect. A 60 minute, 5KG wash.
Whens it due to Launch, in other countries?
Meanwhile - I agree with comments about spray systems etc.
There's no need for them, and I very much hope Bosch Don't introduce them.
All they do is spray the already wet washing with the same water that its tumbling in anyway. I hope this doesn't mean Miele's distribution style intensive tumbles haven't been replaced with normal ones.
Has it been proven that re-circulation actually cleans better?? I don't think it has. It just reduces rinse results if its used during the rinses.
miele4life
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like the new Miele's, about time I saw a new design from them, I'm sure they'll sell well and of course keeping it's trademark high quality build & reliability, still being made in Germany of course
The whole point of recirculation pumps is 2 get the load clean by using as little water and energy possible, a feature pioneered by the Zanussi JetSystem in 1986, and what's more they're great fun 2 watch working, like with the Hoover/Candy 8Pulse/MixPower models, so really I like them and still offers great results 2 the load.
Back 2 the Miele itself, I'm not sure what programming will be like, it could spin anticlockwise like on the Professional machines, or they could wash like the current models, but when they come 2 the UK, it'll give an excuse 2 go 2 the Experience Centre in Abingdon again, the dryer looks smart too with it's glass porthole door, making the existing models look a bit old fashioned lol
The whole point of recirculation pumps is 2 get the load clean by using as little water and energy possible, a feature pioneered by the Zanussi JetSystem in 1986, and what's more they're great fun 2 watch working, like with the Hoover/Candy 8Pulse/MixPower models, so really I like them and still offers great results 2 the load.
Back 2 the Miele itself, I'm not sure what programming will be like, it could spin anticlockwise like on the Professional machines, or they could wash like the current models, but when they come 2 the UK, it'll give an excuse 2 go 2 the Experience Centre in Abingdon again, the dryer looks smart too with it's glass porthole door, making the existing models look a bit old fashioned lol
haxisfan
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Very nice... very Miele!
That's about time for Miele to give their machines a facelift... as valid and functional as their previous models can be... they were sooo... old-fashion looking!
These new machines still retain some classic characteristics (to my eye) in a perfect blend with modern design. I wonder if their W1xxx series (the ones with the chunky door) have been updated as well... although, those look pretty modern as they are.
That's about time for Miele to give their machines a facelift... as valid and functional as their previous models can be... they were sooo... old-fashion looking!
These new machines still retain some classic characteristics (to my eye) in a perfect blend with modern design. I wonder if their W1xxx series (the ones with the chunky door) have been updated as well... although, those look pretty modern as they are.
WHERE IS THE PRE-WASH???
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH! Where is the Pre-Wash-Option? Just scralled through the manual and found no Pre-Wash-Otion? I already hate the Bosches which only pffer a Pre-Wash on Cottons and Easy-Care, but this one seems to offer NO PRE-WASH at all!!! There is told about the option to length the Pre-Wash for Cottons, but no way how to select it???
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH! Where is the Pre-Wash-Option? Just scralled through the manual and found no Pre-Wash-Otion? I already hate the Bosches which only pffer a Pre-Wash on Cottons and Easy-Care, but this one seems to offer NO PRE-WASH at all!!! There is told about the option to length the Pre-Wash for Cottons, but no way how to select it???
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