New miele washer and dryer

[logixx]

Yes, it's a recirculation pump. See here:

 

https://www.google.de/patents/EP255...KG"+washing+machine&ei=ap7IUa63N4iztAarh4GgCA
 

Just go to Google Patents and search for: inassignee:"Miele & Cie. KG" and washing machine (or dryer or whatever) and have the results sorted by filing date (under search tools). There's also information on the dosing devices and more.

 

[chestermikeuk]

Miele

Interesting design, like the larger display and monochrome effect, dont like the Ultima style fascias that dont match up side to side - its getting more difficult to style a new machine that isnt completely new and original these days!!

 

[bertrum]

That's the first washer I have seen where the re-circ pump has a accessible filter as well as the drain pump. Great idea.

Also where do you get your technical drawings from chestermikeuk?

 

[logixx]

You can get them from the link I posted.

 

[mrboilwash]

Oh no, not Miele as well !
I hope they won`t extend the recirculation pump concept to their whole line.

Hopefully Bosch and Siemens are not going to jump on that bandwagon anytime soon.
I know I`m probably outnumbered but I don`t like recirculation pumps in washers.

 

[chestermikeuk]

"but I don`t like recirculation pumps in washers"

Why not?

 

[mrboilwash]

I find them utterly unsanitary.
In my current Miele with the common ball valve to prevent detergent loss the outer drum can dry out compleatly and nothing that grows in the sump will ever touch the next load.
Anything that grows in a dishwasher sump and recirculation system is usually killed at least in the last rinse.

 

[glenfieldmathk1]

Thats nice..

Looks very similar to Bosch Home Professional (well door & drum back does!).

..Its great to see that Miele are keeping up and introducing the new design. There designs until now, all looked quite old fashioned, so I am impressed to see this more modern approach.

Looking at the Manuals, it seems this one doesn't Dose Powder, unlike the current AutoDose set up. However this one does Fabric softener instead. I guess this built in AutoDose is better as you haven't got that device to position in the house anymore, though could be a pain to have to bend down and refill for many people, unless on a stand/pedestal.

If I am correct, the Power wash is the same as Bosch Powerwash/Speed Perfect. A 60 minute, 5KG wash.

Whens it due to Launch, in other countries?

Meanwhile - I agree with comments about spray systems etc.
There's no need for them, and I very much hope Bosch Don't introduce them.
All they do is spray the already wet washing with the same water that its tumbling in anyway. I hope this doesn't mean Miele's distribution style intensive tumbles haven't been replaced with normal ones.
Has it been proven that re-circulation actually cleans better?? I don't think it has. It just reduces rinse results if its used during the rinses.

 

[miele4life]

like the new Miele's, about time I saw a new design from them, I'm sure they'll sell well and of course keeping it's trademark high quality build & reliability, still being made in Germany of course

The whole point of recirculation pumps is 2 get the load clean by using as little water and energy possible, a feature pioneered by the Zanussi JetSystem in 1986, and what's more they're great fun 2 watch working, like with the Hoover/Candy 8Pulse/MixPower models, so really I like them and still offers great results 2 the load.

Back 2 the Miele itself, I'm not sure what programming will be like, it could spin anticlockwise like on the Professional machines, or they could wash like the current models, but when they come 2 the UK, it'll give an excuse 2 go 2 the Experience Centre in Abingdon again, the dryer looks smart too with it's glass porthole door, making the existing models look a bit old fashioned lol

 

[haxisfan]

Very nice... very Miele!

That's about time for Miele to give their machines a facelift... as valid and functional as their previous models can be... they were sooo... old-fashion looking!

These new machines still retain some classic characteristics (to my eye) in a perfect blend with modern design. I wonder if their W1xxx series (the ones with the chunky door) have been updated as well... although, those look pretty modern as they are.

 

[henene4]

WHERE IS THE PRE-WASH???

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH! Where is the Pre-Wash-Option? Just scralled through the manual and found no Pre-Wash-Otion? I already hate the Bosches which only pffer a Pre-Wash on Cottons and Easy-Care, but this one seems to offer NO PRE-WASH at all!!! There is told about the option to length the Pre-Wash for Cottons, but no way how to select it???

 

[foraloysius]

There is a prewash. On page 90 it says you can even select the length for it. Perhaps it is selected through the programmanager.

 

[henene4]

I know, there is an option lo length it, but i dont see how to select it even with the programmanger (which is a quite genius invetion).

 

[foraloysius]

I suppose we must come to the conclusion that the manual is incomplete.

 

[mrboilwash]

Prewash

Look closley at page 14.
There is "Katoen" or "Katoen Met voorwas" to choose from, but apparently no more Prewash for "Kreukherstellend" and "Fijne was" anymore. "Overige Programma`s" might have some more Prewash options to offer.

 

[launderess]

Pre-Wash

Miele goes back and forth with this option even IIRC far back as the 19xx series.

One model year you find a pre-wash, next it is gone, then it comes back. It is either this or that cycle is renamed and part of another. IIRC Miele would put the pre-wash part of a "heavy" or some such named cycle on some units.

 

[glenfieldmathk1]

There is a Pre-wash for cotton Laundry only it seems.
Page 90 translates as Cottons Pre-wash Duration, as opposed to Pre-wash duration, on previous Miele's. There is no Pre-wash option, or Soak Option either on these, which is a shame.

I don't think many people use Pre-wash these days.
The wash results of a standard programme without Pre-wash are pretty similar any way.

It would be nice to see an option button for Further Extra's above stains option. Then they could allow the user to choose Pre-wash, Soak, and Extra Rinse (which is included in Water+, but maybe a separate Extra rinse could allow the selection of maybe up to 3, or 4 extra rinses, like BSH, Hotpoint etc).
I'm also shocked, how its only got a single line display, maybe this one isn't the top of line fully featured model, and the other display may be used on a higher end one, and maybe the Supertronic control panel, with new door on another?

 

[mrwash]

I don't like the Design but it is nice that Miele offers now a dryer with glass door.

I think they have not introduced the models in Germany so far as they are waiting to present them at the IFA in Berlin in early September. I will be there so I will definitely see them there.

Another reason could be that Belgium ist kind of a test market for the new models before they launch them on their kay market Germany.

But overall: Nope, I don't like them and I will still be fine with my Miele Supertronic

 

[henene4]

Nice, a Supertronic. Just waiting 5 T-Shirts in our Panasonic to finish the extra soin after a shirts cycle with 800 rpm and anticrease. One Boss shirt had to be washed. And it does distributing now for 30 min.
But over all, its really a shame. They could have placed as a part of the intensive setting. And without a curtains setting, this washer will not be abled to improve Miele in my point. Without this feature, these are just stronger BSHs.

 

[launderess]

Soak Option

Is kind of useless in modern front loads that do not use much water anyway IMHO.

Again this is another cycle Miele plays cat and mouse with historically. Even going back to the 19XX series some models had a soak option, others did not.