New Persil and older Miele washers

[panthera]

Stefan,

I may be wrong - I haven't worked on one of these Mieles in over ten years - but I don't think it has the seal. And I do very clearly remember being told by many salespeople back home in Munich to let the water run into the machine for a little while before adding the soap. 

 

[mrboilwash]

Kevin, I may be wrong as well. Luckily I haven`t had the need to work on my Miele`s tub valve so far but I had to work on a previously owned AEG Öko Lavamat (first generation, long before E-lux owned and ruined the brand). In this case it was just a silicone rubber lip combined with a water reservoir instead of a ball. When the valve went bad all the water from the reservoir slowly leaked back into the tub and it was enough to get some of the spin dried clothes dripping wet again.

However it was an easy fix, I just flipped the rubberlip upside down and the "new" side of it outlasted the washer. It was a great washer.

Because I have seen a similar reservoir in my Miele and I can clearly hear how the seal "kicks in" when the pump stops, I`d strongly suspect that the ball valve is working the same way. I also add liquid detergent to an empty drum before adding clothes on the Miele, because I hate those dosing balls, never a problem with detergent loss.
Not sure what time exactly Miele begun adding tub seals. The AEG`s Ökoschleuse dates back to 1986, so I suppose Miele and others followed soon.

Honestly I have absolutely no clue how the latest generation of Mieles those with that recirculation bullshit wash system work in regards to tub sealing. Mine is 12 years old.[this post was last edited: 11/30/2016-11:19]

 

[rolls_rapide]

"recirculation bullshit wash system ..."

If the Miele recirculation system is anything like the Zanussi Jetsystem, then there will be no ball valve.

Zanussi non-jetsystem machines had a sump ball-valve on some models.

The Jetsystem models had a conventional unsealed sump, which led to the filter/recirculation pump chamber. The drain pump was connected to the recirculation chamber by a short conduit. Basically, the shared the same sump plumbing.

 

[perc-o-prince]

then there will be no ball valve.

Sorry to disappoint (or delight) but the newest model for the US, W3048, has the same ball/concertina hose system for the sealing/drain that we've used for years. However, the European Miele market usually has some different products.

Chuck

 

[panthera]

Oh, Stefan, I can tell you how they work:

They don't.

At least, that's what I'm hearing from friends still selling things in Germany. The last three years I've been so focused on things in the US, I'm out of touch with a lot. 

 

[perc-o-prince]

They don't.

In that case I hope they keep them over there!

Chuck

 

[mrboilwash]

Just to be clear, I don`t know the W1930 models, maybe Miele was eco valve wise really very late to the party, which is still kind of hard to imagine.
Are the W1930s that old ? IIRC even the cheap Bauknechts had one by the late 1980s.
If it has a ball valve (or flap valve) you should be able to hear a slight thunk when the pump stops as the backflowing water head from the reservoir builds up pressure.

It is also worth to mention that in times prior to eco valves while Miele was miles ahead by priming the sump-pump area over the prewash compartement this technology still had its drawbacks.
It works pretty good with the oldfashioned fluffy powders full of fillers, but some slowly dissolving heavy particles as found in more concentrated powders could still find their way into the pump unused for the washing process.

 

[launderess]

According to service manual

All 1900 series washing machines had the "Miele Eco Wash" system. Which avoids "wasting detergent by sealing Drain Outlet with a Ball Valve. Water is taken into "suds container" via "detergent dispense, concertina house, and siphon odor trap.

About the 1000, and 700 series manual does not say.

 

[perc-o-prince]

Are the W1930s that old ?

The US W1930s were made from 11/90 through 4/04.

Chuck

 

[launderess]

"concertina house"

Should read "hose".

 

[launderess]

Yes, the 1900 series are *that* old.

*LOL*

Miele introduced them to the USA replaced the 10XX (W1070 and W1065) series.

Las time one checked U.S. government states the W1918 and W1930 were "active" since 1997. The W1986 came one year later. Same source has the W12XX and W11XX washers as 2004.

Last time one checked like the W10xx series washers and matching dryers, and certain the W700 (same), Miele USA no longer imports parts for the 19XX series washers and matching dryers. Thus whatever inventory is on this shores is all there is, and MieleUSA will not order parts from Germany.

Also found out a several years ago (and posted at that time) MieleUSA no longer trains customer support/repair technicians (in house and factory trained third party) on the *older* units. Think far back as they go is the W12xx series.

 

[miele_ge]

i think the 1926 came out in 1998 - not the 1986

When we bought the 1918A we had for years in 2000 or 2001, the 6 Kg option was the 1926. We now have a 1986 that we bought used almost 2 years ago which is quite a bit different in terms of controls than the 1918 and 1926.

 

[luxflairguy]

Wow!  I'm learning lots!  Is there a way from my serial # plate to know the year my 1930 was built?  I bought it used.  G

 

[launderess]

There is but not sure owners can.....

However if you call Miele customer tech support they often can tell from serial number when something was made along with any on record repair history.

 

[launderess]

Older Miele washers and dryers

Am here to tell you if you "love" your units best start getting acquainted with parts and minor (or major) repairs. Older techs familiar with these units are either retiring or dying, and the new young bloods just don't often know, nor care to for that matter. Anything that involves "heavy work" such as pulling out the motor, bearings, and even possibly replacing shock absorbers may get two responses:

1. We don't do those sort of repairs in home, machine must be sent to Princeton...

2. Your machine is too old and we no longer have parts, and or work on such machines.

Was that surprised Miele sent a tech and helper to replace the suspension springs on my washer. But the guy has been here so often we're on a first name basis! *LOL* Could never have done that job on my own....