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Beside the obvious eBay, Gumtree where they’re available frequently for reasonable prices; US TL are a very very niche market (and even the European HAxis TL machines aren’t that often seen here in UK, tends to be more mainland EU) and if buying new here a US TL is eye wateringly expensive (usually no lower than £1000 before VAT),

So if you own one (like I used to) you’d take up shares in P&G, and up your dose if you weren’t happy with your results (I always did ok as I have extremely soft water).

The only 2 detergents on the U.K. mass market that are “non-HE” (of course a term we have never used here) is

Persil Handwash, or;

Daz Handwash and Twintub.

The only other one we used to have was Fairy Snow, this went years ago (probably around 15 years ago now).

These 2 detergents can be used of course for handwashing or in a high water use machine (as could Fairy Snow).

IIRC they’re both only available in a 10 wash box (that may have gone to 9 now due to shrinkflation) and are about £2.50.

These 3 detergents are probably the only ones I have NEVER bought as I hate handwashing laundry (or dishes) and even on the one time every 20 years I do, I use regular detergent or a silk/wool detergent (both the Persil and Daz Handwash/TT detergents are biological and contain oxygen bleach so are no good for delicicates (the only 1 time I could see handwashing being required and even then not so much due to advancement of machines that can handle almost any fabric. Clothes that I would be truly truly gutted to ruin go to the cleaners).

Fairy Snow was of course enzyme free “non biological” but if I recall still had oxygen bleach.
 
Just

Had look and out of the supermarkets, only Tesco carry the Daz one (Wilko has it too, but they have everything)

http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/tesc...ndwash_and_twin_tub_powder_9_washes_960g.html

According to mysupermarket website, no one has the Persil one. But both Sainsbury’s and Asda have it on their own online grocery sites

http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/tesc...ndwash_and_twin_tub_powder_9_washes_960g.html

https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/shop/gb/groceries/persil-handwash-powder-790g

https://groceries.asda.com/product/...wash-washing-powder-bio-8-washes/910002524509
 
Haha....

How could I forget, it’s by far and away my most favourite detergent (as in brand),. But upon reading that 1 and only review on the Sainsbury’s website for the Persil Handwash I have forgetten we did indeed have 1 other one (that’s obviously long gone)

ARIEL Handwash!!!!
 
HAbd wash andvtwin tub

I’ve recently turned 34 (shocking) and even I recall every supermarket own label having a twin tub powder until the very late 90s at least.

Branded powders in TT and HW formula were also made by:

Surf - I’ve an empty box circa 2006 in lemon fresh.
Daz
Persil
Ariel
Fairy
Plus there was a few off beat brands such as All Brite, Q-Matic etc.

Bold and Radion never did TT HW versions though.
 
So quite a

Few different ones then.

I was thinking surely the supermarkets had them, but I can’t recall any particular ones as I wouldn’t have looked for them, and of course the supermarkets have themselves changed eg Safeway, Somerfield and Kwik Save all gone, and even though I’m not far behind you at all, I still remember when Tesco was just a pure Food store that were the size of what Aldi stores are now and my local Asda was a Gateway. So back at a time when they would have been about, I just wouldn’t have noticed.

Bold not having one does make sense as when that launched that was marketed as *the* Automatic Powder at a time Ariel was still for twin tubs.

I remember reading an article in a book “biggest brand failures” about Radion, saying the reason why it only survived 10 yrs as a brand was because it just didn’t position itself properly and going on to say that people weren’t sure why they should buy it, it wasn’t the cheapest, but it wasn’t the best and it really didn’t do anything that (the cheaper) Surf did,

Sure miss the smell though, I used it for a while when it was reboxed under the Surf “Sun Fresh” scent after Radion went in 99.
 
Radion

When it first came out was actually positioned higher than persil.

It contained couple of extra ingredients aimed at odour removal and freshness.

Levers Persil was marketed as a family product - think Mumsy, Persil only washed whiter. It did combat some stains but it was still a family safe powder for all temperatures. Yet Ariel was always very scientific especially with its odour removal claims and biological formula in cool washes.

Lever couldn’t afford to ditch persils mumsy market but it had failed in the scientific biological area with the new system flop. So the reason Radion was born was to tap into the biological science market and compete with Ariel.

Radions formula for the first few years was top notch, think Persil on steroids. The reason it flopped was that it never quite took hold of Ariels market so one assumes it was too costly to make mass produced top notch detergent when Persil dominated Levers corner there.

It was dropped to the same formula as Surf and given the sun fresh scent and it carried in as a discount brand until it was deemed viable to merge it into Surf
 
Interesting...

Thanks.

Suppose that’s the issue when large swathes of people are loyal to their brand.

Persil as you will already know, was and is UKs best selling detergent, what I find interesting though is that Persil non bio sells more than the bio (not really close, but closer to almost double the amount),, of course as it’s counted as one brand it’s the best selling.

However, going off figures of just Biological detergents, Ariel is actually best selling (I can’t find the exact figures, I’m sure it was in a thread on here from about 2 year ago), Ariel sells something around 4.something million of their bio (of course their only one now) compared to Persil bio at about 2.8ish. million.

Wondered how this differed when Ariel had their non bio?, but I believe best selling is a title Persil has never lost. AFAIK the figures group in any scent variants, colour care versions etc.

But back to Radion/ Surf, I used to love the Sun Fresh scent, I did like the other 2 as well. I’d much rather they go back to Sun, Cotton, and the Lemon Fresh variants vs the ones they have now with all the flower themes. I almost never (if ever) buy Surf, it’s just not a detergent I use anymore. On the few times I’ve bought it, it has been gifted away either prior to use, or after using it once or twice.

But then, I’d rather Bold went back to their Spring, Summer and Active Fresh ranges too.. what’s with all the flowers now? What does yellow poppy or golden orchard or sparkling bloom smell like exactly?

I mainly use Ariel or Daz now, but the one that has had the most consistent scent throughout (I also use it) is Fairy.
 
Saying that

I do love the scent of the Persil range, it is and for as far as my memory goes back, without a doubt the strongest smelling detergent on the market and a very clean smell, but it seems I can’t use it, I itch like crazy :(

There must be a component in it that my skin just doesn’t like (I wouldn’t really say I’m allergic as I don’t get hives or a rash like I do with cats; or dogs which I do own, so yes I eat Benadryl like candy) I just ITCH like a madman.

It can’t be enzymes, as I’m fine with others, and I don’t really go for enzyme allergy as a thing, considering they are a natural organism even in our saliva.

After extensive trawling through their ingredient websites of both PG And Unliver, the only thing that stands out is that Unilever use and almost advertise (as in they write it on the box under perfume ingredients) in abundance, is the chemical Butylphenol Methylpropinol (lily of the valley scent). Unilever use this a LOT apparently, in their softeners too. PG on the other hand, I couldn’t find this in any of their products,

I’m not saying that they’re not both packed to the 9s with some probably not so great chemicals, it’s just this is the one that seems to stick out, nothing scientific.

But luckily I’m very happy with the scent of Ariel too, and in recent times they have MASSIVELY nailed down the clean rinsing of detergents (something Unilever always won on), in fact with their latest reformulation of Ariel (can’t say for the others), I suspect they’ve snuck the “HE Turbo” technology in to them (something of course PG deny all knowledge of on this side of the pond).

I even did a test, washed just one tshirt with an Ariel pod (something unimaginable in the past) and the suds collapsed VERY quickly in the wash and after the wash, put the tshirt in to a sink full of fresh water (even made sure to make sure the sink was throughly rinsed too first) and not so much as one bubble.

Suppose this serves PGs best interest though as they’re neck breaking to get people from liquids and gels to pods, and if you notice in the “do the pod” campaign of adverts they drop not so subtle hints, showing people using them to wash 1 item of clothing.
 
I tried a different combination of Miele Ultraphase 1 + 2 and Ecover fabric softener. Problem solved!
I think the reformulated concentrated Comfort Pure and the Miele detergent didn't work together for my nose.

I've also tried using it without softener and the clothes were very soft anyway.

The Miele stuff isn't that expensive - similar price or slightly cheaper than Ariel and lasts ages.
It's a 6 enzyme formula in a colour detergent. I find the it seems to do a better job on jeans than any of the mainstream liquids and doesn't contain OBAs and that's boosted with a shot of peroxide and optical brightening agents if you select the whites option.
 
Sensitive UltraPhase

A scent free detergent for colors! Now that's for me!

Have never quite understood why there are few to nil offerings across the EU of TOL scent/dye free laundry detergents.

Persil "sensitive" at one time was scent free (but has OBAs and bleaching agents), until some fool decided the thing was better off with scent.

Persil gel for colors (German Henkel) simply leaves too powerful a scent; it clashes with Ma Griffe.
 
Have never quite understood why there are few to nil offerin

Apparently, there just isn’t enough of a demand for them?. With the Surf website even going as far to say that detergent formulas don’t smell nice at all, hence the added scent.

There are one or two though (eg OMO (in Spain/Portugal I think) does a bio “sensitive” scent free)

We also have always had a scent free product line called Surcare, consisting of powder or liquid detergent, fabric softener and dish liquid. But this is non bio (enzyme free).

However, a couple of years back, “Neutral” was launched on the U.K. market (I think it was a Denmark thing first), it’s made by Unilever, it has a detergent for whites, a detergent for colours (either powder, liquid or pod) and they’re ALL biological. They also have fabric softener and a dish liquid, of course, but the best bit, they have a WHOLE range of personal care products too - soaps, wipes, body lotion etc.

It was initially only available online, but for the past year or so has been available at Sainsbury’s supermarkets (but ONLY Sainsbury’s) the whole range isn’t on there, but there is still a fair amount

https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/shop/g...ERS&searchTerm=&beginIndex=0&hideFilters=true
 
No Worries

Wasn't seriously going to order Neutral anyway. Tide Free and Gentle and or Tide Coldwater Free are good enough for 99.9% of my unscented/dye free needs.

For colors have commercial laundry powder from Germany, and then there is always Persil Gel.

If Miele has UltraPhase in an unscented/dye free version it is bound to reach this side of pond sooner or later now that the W1 with TwinDos is being sold.
 
Neutral is a great detergent, I used it all the time in Sweden (whites, colours powder) I used to add softener to bedding but my clothes was kept scent free (wanted my perfume to do that part)
 
Does anyone know which powder detergents get the best score in 'Which?' lately?

Lidl's 'Formil' did have the Which? Best Buy a couple of years ago, but seems to have lost it lately. I'm not entirely sure if other manufacturers have upped their game, or whether Which? has shifted their testing goalposts.

Foam-fest: I tried in the past year, the Unilever Surf Liquid in the white bottle. A tiny amount created foam right up the door glass. Not a success, and neither was the fragrance.
 

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