New products for laundry......

[yogitunes]

oh!...a heated debate!

mention Bleach, and they all start to shake....chill out...lol

but there's a good question, statement, or answer....PRICE!.....you could take the cheapest detergent, let's say Tandil brand from ALDI, and their bleach.....and have the whitest whites in an instant.....for minimal cost compared to some of this other stuff out there....even in COLD water if needed!

every new product compares itself to bleach, but none surpass it!....guaranteed clean versus cost!.......plus a list of ingredients you can't pronounce, not to mention where they came from.....as I recall, Bleach is made from Salt Water....I know what that is, where it comes from, how to spell and pronounce it, and all natural from the earth....and returns back to salt water after its use!....

not to mention it gives me the greenest freakin grass on the whole block!...I bet your Oxiclean can't do that!

you would have to use a heck of a lot of bleach, or pour it directly on the item for major damage to occur.....your clothing is falling apart the second you turn on the washer, even without bleach.....where do you think all the lint in the dryer comes from?....

you do have my interest on one thing.....Mike Rowe, wether its washing his clothes, or anything else of his, you will get NO complaints from me!...he ain't no girly man!....(Don't Mess with my MAN!)

 

[stan]

I met him once

In Calistoga when he was filming a show here. I didn't offer to do his laundry.
So it all yours Martian LOL
(He's better looking in person)

 

[foraloysius]

A few points on chlorine bleach:

1. Bleach for laundry on the American market isn't very strong. The bleach I can buy overhere in the Netherlands is a concentrated bleach. It's much thicker than for instance Chlorox. Use a cup of Dutch bleach on a load of laundry and you can see how it damaged the laundry after one wash.

2. In contrary to the USA boiling laundry was common and for some people still is. Diapers were rinsed and then put in the washing machine. A warm prewash with an enzyme detergent and a boilwash with a detergent with oxygen bleach did the job very well. No need to use bleach to sanatize the diapers.

 

[hoovermatic]

My mother used terry nappies on all of us and would never have dreamt of using bleach on them. Soaked and then given a boil wash in Persil (which would have been a soap powder in the early/mid 1960's) and they were as white as snow AND soft, without the use of any softener (which I don't think was even available then). I see that the increase in use of low teperature washing now requires (according to the advertisers) the use of additional chemicals. Surely it's cheaper to turn up the temperature!!

http://www.thegrocer.co.uk/fmcg/dettol-launches-antibacterial-laundry-cleanser/348905.article

 

[gorenje]

Bleach tablets & Use of Bleach

Over here Lidl supermarket used to sell for a period of time the Bleach tablets.
But they were just part of an temporary offer.
I bought one pack and I've used a couple of tablets to clean the drain of my sink and shower.

Here in Slovenia Bleach is not part of doing laundy. We have only one producer of Bleach and it comes in 1/2 Liter (0,13 gallon) or maximum 1 Liter (0,26 gallon).
It is sold near the drain cleaner and other toilet cleaners or in paint stores. However on the package it is written also how to use it for whitening garments or as a remedy for tough stains. It is also relatively expensive!
I use it to clean the toilet bowl overnight.

My diapers were washed the same way as foraloysius said.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

"1) Have an accident in your pants - Number Two, not Number One.

2) Now, try to get it out with detergent alone.

3) Then try to get it out with an oxygen bleach.

4) Finally, reach for the Clorox and git 'er done.

You can get the same result with BIZ. But - check the price on that stuff out sometime, then check the price of bleach."

Sandy, really? I mean that's the norm to get it done with detergent alone!
I can easily and do that with detergent and has not to be "TOL" nor expensive or something "out of ordinary", regular powder detergents....already did countless times while laundering pooed undies, bedding, towels and laundry for my senile aunt (that passed away 2 years ago)...I mean it's the norm..I find it odd havng to tell it..
Harley...
Urine odors after wash? If it is laundered correctly with a good detergent and machine it should not remain any odor, this since it would be really clean...but if odors is stll, it is not really clean and may likely be machine's fault also...never experienced any odors left, just using indeed a front loader.. I actually no wonder why of it..I already know...
I find odd that poo is considered a tough stain.....for me tough stains are others...like who knows? Tar? Not certainly poo! Just a regular silly stain....
It's this the kind of things I don't get....I would never put poo in the list of tough stains...

Regarding Spain, as in Italy bleaches are sold and used in laundry just not that much largely, and just by some, different matter for household cleaning, Spain and Italy it's all about the same regrdless bleach in laundry use, things changes in other EU countries like Germany and UK....where you have very very few people that does..
In Italy:
Some use it, most don't....

Of course bleach eliminates stains...unless they're not dye ones a detergent would and should just do just the same if it's good, and good ones have not to be necesserly expensive at all... and in case detergent you're using is bad there're always the additves, color safe bleaches and oxy and enzimatic stuff even for 80 cents a box (Sun bleach powder, Blast additive from 99 cent only shop etc...) and valid detergents for a trifle the same way that would do alone as they should...

There're people that just use chlorine wnenever they have some stains......like if it is the only thing for it..they don't have the conception of detergent that is the one that should and would be able to do this..what's for then?

Cleaning, bleaching, disinfection....are things you can get with detergents too and in differnt ways and in some cases even with far better results... I mean for many it's the norm..for me also..
So some reach it, some says they don't , or just think and are convinced a priori that would not, considering the bleach, as the only one thing able to... that's an odd mistery to my eyes...again..I think that's because they can't do laundry properly or do it in a different way ( wrong crappy products, colder water, wrong cycles etc)way that I would define bad..worse... absurd to my eyes..
But again, same speech as before...still aghast for this.
Points of view.....finds and thougts...
I can get chlorine is cheaper and that it works, not saying this, it's been so and well known for centuries...but like it, it is well known that it ruin clothes...
That's the same reasons why bleaches advetisement (at least ones over here) only talk about torn clothes and fact their bleaches do not do that, an example is the new Ace-"salvafibra"-"fiber-saver" they says they got a new thing inside that avoids it, like on the other hand they used to say the same thing in the 80s, 90s..every brand says that their own bleach does not ruin clothes like the others do(ACTUALLY they all do and will keep ruining your clothes like every bleach does and will always do)...
You see it in the Neutrex Lejia commercial, you see it in Ace italian and spanish ones, you see it written in every bottle of bleach of different brands...

Chlorine do the job, for slightly less money maybe, but the same way good detergents does... but bleach eats your laundry, detergents don't...and Martin, machines does not ruin laundry and the speech about lint has nothing to do with.. I'm of a different opinion..
But again opinions...you say your is right, I say mine is right...
So one just have to follow the way find to be the best for him...
Opinions....that's all about we're talking about...
You can arrive nowhere....

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[kenmoreguy89]

Louis, even in the USA they used to boil laundry.....

 

[foraloysius]

"Louis, even in the USA they used to boil laundry....."

Yes, but that was many moons ago. I was thinking of when I was young and my mother washed my younger brother's diapers. Her Bosch washing machine, Biotex enzyme detergent and Dixan for the mainwash got them sparkling white!

Here's a picture of such a Bosch.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

I know that even in the 60s if boiling was needed they used to...not so many moons..
Right.... in the USA with the advent of washing machines, wringer or whatever the most never boiled anymore, machines didn't have heaters to boil and it was not needed to...they just used very hot water, like it should be..as far as I know, they didn't need to boil as laundry would have got clean anyway...
The practice of boiling was done then almost exclusively by those hand laundering....because it was easier and saved lots of efforts for clean results that otherwise you had to reach by hand...(mechanical action) days long soaks etc, unsustainable to do for the most and unreachable for some..
If boiling was not possible then chlorine bleaching found it's use...but not always..

Machines in europe kept the practice of boiling, or almost boiling reach point temperatures (different types of machnes indeed)...in europe it remained indeed a "custom", even if few nowadays would do so...elsewhere like USA it has been totally lost as no longer needed, this since lots of years, they didn't need boiling 95°c 100°c washes anymore, but of course they still needed hot (60°c-80°c) washes, the same is today..
Then leave alone that in US some (younger people) would not use enough hot water on purpose for some reasons almost ignoring that you can launder with water hotter than 40°c, others indeed had to go with the too low hot water grade their crappy heater reached (way lower as long as they get older)...till modern days when there're people with heaters producing water barely hot..kinda warm..
Looks like good practice of hot washes for some americans is Science fiction nowadays...not for all...nor I think for the most...
But then I see why some people need chlorine bleach to get their laundry white and clean, even more if they use crappy products....but it's cause of a bad attitude at washing also, an attitude that as I said is way more common as we go ahead in the time....
I know of many americans with common sense still seing and understanding the importance of water temperatures as a key factor...again, I think the most...
But there're even some that would put bleach on every stained white load...ignoring there're other safer ways and products(including of course detergents alone) that would and do it done the same way..
It's easier grab a bottle of bleach than having your water heater heating properly, it's easier to put bleach instead of changng your crappy detergent for something that actually works..
But your clothes won't thank you!

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[iheartmaytag]

"It's easier grab a bottle of bleach than having your water heater heating properly, it's easier to put bleach instead of changing your crappy detergent for something that actually works.."

The makers of Tide will be glad to get your review.

Dear Laundress: Will you be chiming in? Your opinion and expertise is expected.

 

[yogitunes]

since were on the subject....and I ask because I have a machine with a cold water fill and you can dial in the temp....but realize I can only go as high as 140F degree water temp....my water heater can go as high as 160F....is boiling truely hotter, or just a term for a HOT wash?

what temp is a BOIL wash exactly?.....when I think of boiling water, I think 212F degree, the boiling point of water....do machines go this high?

if I am dyeing jeans, I put the mini washer on top the stove and keep the heat going while the water is at a rolling boil...to me that would be similar to a boil wash

 

[danemodsandy]

Fred:

".I would never put poo in the list of tough stains..."

Perhaps the Spanish variety is less of a problem than the American.

You know how we tend to do things on a grander scale than other countries!

 

[kenmoreguy89]

"Perhaps the Spanish variety is less of a problem than the American.

You know how we tend to do things on a grander scale than other countries!"

Please, tell me you're kidding...please.. LOL BTW spanish? Spanish What? LOL
Too funny!
But in case you wasn't...
Crap is an internatioanl thing , especially when it comes to talk of breastfeeders or elderly eating soups, meals or other stuff for tooth-less..
I'm as open to say I had diarrhea just last week and didn't make it to the toilet, crap in my pants, luckily I was in the garage lifting some things and not elsewhere like in the car when it happened..."it happens people, do not do the hypocrites or the shocked ones"...my undies and pants..sparkling clean with a run on Regular, heavy soil level cycle and hot water for undies about 70°c water 158°F , and same cycle with mixed hot/warm for jeans 55°c , 131°F, in the GE filter-flo using Mexican ariel...
I don't think it's the case to make a live demonstration of how my poop gets clean...
But sometimes my cat miss the target into the litter...is cat stuff adaptable for a crap-test? LOL

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[danemodsandy]

Fred:

Kidding, yes.

Or perhaps it's all that caramel coloring in Cokes and Big Macs....

 

[Ultramatic]

 

Oh great.  It's turning into another SCAT thread.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Ahahahahahahah!

 

[joe_in_philly]

The dirty jobs multi-purpose cleaner that comes in an ice cream type container is just oxygen bleach, with a colorful wrapping.

 

[gorenje]

@ Yogitunes

Hi Martin,

As you said water boils at 212F or 100°C. Old European washing machines (until cca. the 60's) reached the boilin point and kept boiling for a period of time.
Now when such machines aren't available anymore our machines reach 95°C (203F).
That's almost a boiling point, that's why we still used to say "boilwash".

Regarding the wash of diapers usually they were soaked in cold water or if not, they were washed on the longest cycle with the prewash.

 

[gorenje]

Here is an old washer doing the boilwash at 100°C

 

[iheartmaytag]

It's turning into another SCAT thread.

SCAT is fine as long as you don't mention Chlorine Bleach. "Saints preserve us."