New speed queen front loads

[panasonicvac]

Our LG front loader has a heater. However, I can't seem to notice a difference with the heater versus just using straight hot water from the tap. So I don't use the heater anymore. I do believe it is just an extra feature that can break and it uses more electricity so I applaud SQ for not going back to that route. Yes SQ used to have heaters on their front loaders at one point.

 

[appnut]

Alex, LG has their washers set up (to my disdain) that it only heats to 112F for hot and 90-95F for warm. That's bath water at best as far as I am concerned. So, I use extra hot to get decent temps of 120-140F if not higher. And from what I have observed, I obtain far superior results wth extra hot and the resulting hotter temps. LG will cool down yur hot water entering the if it's abve those stated "hot" and "warm" non boosted temps..And my house water heater is set at 120.

 

[ryner1988]

Don't LG front washers run the heater automatically if you select a temperature that's hot enough? I didn't think one was able to just opt out of using it and only use tap hot instead.

 

[launderess]

Modern detergents work perfectly well in warm or cool (perhaps even cold) water. Especially coupled with rather long cycles found on many washers today.

Long as Americans continue to reach for chlorine bleach to do whites/stain removal on same, SQ likely isn't going to add a heater to their domestic front loaders again anytime soon if ever.

https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?91458_28

Even abroad SQ pushes washing with lower temperatures.

https://speedqueeninvestor.com/user-tips/which-wash-cycle-should-you-use/

Apparently SQ does offer washers with electric heat, but these are OPL/laundromat/commercial.

https://www.speedqueensales.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/TOUCH_Washer-Extractor-1.pdf

On balance however am assuming many laundromat washers in Europe do heat water. At least going by comments to FB's YT video showing SQ washer people don't understand that "hot" water for washing in USA is what comes out of taps.

 

[launderess]

It is possible to get a "hot" wash with SQ or any other H-axis washer both domestic or otherwise. Same has was done in past and still may in some settings for all one knows.

Have hot water from taps between 160 and 180 degrees F. Using circulator will keep hot water moving in pipes so no flushing of cold water needed, soon as tap is open hot water comes out.

Pre-wash in warm (about 100F) water at hottest, then follow with wash using tap hot water as above. If water comes out at say 180F even accounting for hitting cold or warm wet wash and or cool machine you'll still get a wash temp of about 120 to 140 degrees F I shouldn't wonder.

Other way round is if it's hot water for bleaching or disinfecting one wants main hot wash is followed by another or even first rinse at same tap hot water temp (see above). By this time both machine and laundry in it are hot so there won't be much of a temperature drop. Rinses done in split (warm) water means machine won't cool down much so next cycles get a head start on temp by going into a washer what is already "heated" if you will.

Keeping boilers or other source of hot water at 140 or 180 degrees F obviously uses quite a lot of energy. So there's that to consider.

Up until say 1960's or maybe 1970's it wasn't uncommon in USA to find DHW that came out of heater at 180 degrees F (if not higher). Things were tempered down to 120-125 degrees F for safe use when bathing, lavatories, etc...., but washing machines, dishwashers and some other bits got full on hot water. This of course was when laundry was done in tubs, semi-automatic or even fully automatic washers that could handle such hot water temps. When soap was still queen of wash day one needed all that hot water for various reasons as well.

Today don't believe many have DWH above 120 F, though some do set their heaters (if possible) to 140F.

Hot Water Heaters

The water heater in the basement where I live is an electric Hotpoint and it is 47 years old. It has never given a bit of trouble. Now that I've said that it will probably die! The reason for this post is I hope someone will remember this model of water heater and can tell me what it was...

www.automaticwasher.org

 

[launderess]

Keep in mind back in day and still now many homes, larger buildings and certainly laundries got DHW by either coils inside steam or hot water boilers used to provide heating. This and or indirect coils for same. Either way one was getting "free" hot water from same boilers that were producing steam or hot water for heating or other purposes.

Around here when boilers are set to "winter" tap hot water ranges between 160F to nearly 180F. Thus no real need to use water heating capability of any of my European washers. Just pre-wash or soak in warm water, then let washer fill with hot for main and that is that. DWH is supposed to be tempered down to a reasonable temp, but that doesn't seem to be happening.



Don't do this often as one would like as was warned by Miele tech that one really shouldn't go above 140F as valves are only rated for that number. Since Miele no longer stocks hot water valves for my washer don't want to press one's luck.

Two AEG washers are designed for cold fill and aren't thrilled with warm or certainly hot water.

 

[appnut]

Ryne, I'm finally getting around respond to above.

The LG front loader from my observation; Normal and Heavy Duty do not engage the heater unless extra hot is selected. Extra Hot also allows for total fill at whatever temperature the hot water heater provides. Otherwse, those two cycles fill with hot or warm water that is regulated for specifc temps for warm or hot and that's different for Normal or Heavy Duty. For Whites, Permanent Press, Bulky/Bedding, and Towels warm water is a maximum of 90 to 95F and hot is a max of 112F. On these cycles, once the maximum temperature is reached, the heater turns off and doesn't come back on. All these cycles allow to select any soil level and you know that impacts the wash phase duration. Sanitize engages the heater after wash flll has completed after 5 to 10 mnutes. You can also select the range of soil levels and that also impacts what the temperature is by the time wash water drains. The follwing cycles have steam as an option: Whites, Normal, Heavy Duty, Bulky/Bedding, and Sanitize. Steam is efault on for Allergiene. Two things to remember when steam is selected--no prewash is allowed and soil levels aren't available. Steam target temperature for the wash cycle environment s 162-163 degrees. But depending upon load size, cycle, how warm or cool temperaature for the surrounng area where the washer is can have an impact on how hot the wash cycle is before the spin and rinses begin.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

warm on delicates

How many degrees is warm on delicates?

 

[whitewhiskers]

out with the old in with the new

Here it is, factory fresh from Ripon, Wisconsin. Have done three loads since delivery yesterday and am very pleased with the results. Still trying out the various cycles and extras. VERY quiet. Kitty has been totally frantic, usually she's not allowed in the laundry room. But she had a sense that something changed in her world, so let her in where she cautiously inspected this strange new box.

 

[repairguy]

Congrats on your new speed queen.