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I bought this as a nonessential midlife crisis toy for a mindless diversion and curiosity, to be a companion to the SQ TL AWNE9, which I couldn't be happier with. I thought it would be easier on sheets, bulky blankets and mattress pads, and save water on smaller loads and less important things. The metal outer tub was a huge selling point to me; less of a mold threat, I figured.

Only in this forum would I admit the cat and I stayed up until 3 a.m. watching it. The other cat is not interested, and upset that my attention is diverted from her.

Overall it's better than I expected, but FWIW here are my impressions.

It lacks the glitter of other brands, and it has no drum light. But it seems very heavy and solid. No squeaky plastic door here. It has lots of cycle options.

During agitation it is perfectly silent. The pump is very quiet when on.

During spin ramp up it has a short period when, even empty, the tub swings and makes a knocking/thumping sound, and sometimes the door can be seen moving a little. It doesn't like smaller loads and is picky about balancing them perfectly. After the thumping period, it accelerates faster and slower a few times and then settles into a spin that is astoundingly, unbelievably quiet, smooth and vibration free.

The lack of a heater or steam option can be worked around by first turning on the laundry tub faucet until the water is hot (just like we do the kitchen faucet for the dishwasher), and selecting a pre wash. That way, the cold clothes will cool down the first hot fill somewhat, but then the main fill will be hot and stay hot. Getting a true warm fill in the Winter might require picking hot first for a bit and then switching to warm.

There are models with bigger tubs but this one is big enough for me.

It fills up right away to just below the door without any weighing delays or debating. Very straightforward. When tumbling it looks like there's no water in there, but at a pause it rises back up to just below the door.

Rinsing is pretty good, even better with the extra rinse options. When it starts to fill for a rinse, the pump continues to run for a bit to flush out any suds in the outer tub from the spin before. Not sure if all FL's do that, but it seems to help a lot.

Re detergent and cleaning, maybe I'm on a learning curve. I have a WS, BTW. Tide HE Turbo, 1 Tablespoon, did not oversuds with a white load. Dirty white socks came clean. Tidy whities did not come out quite as perfectly white as with the SQ TL. 1 Tablespoon Cheer caused oversudsing halfway up the door with a load of sheets, and the pillow cases do not smell fresh. :-( Sheets did not ball up like they sometimes do in a dryer. We'll see if a rewash in Tide gets them clean. I washed two blankets, with 1 Tablespoon Woolite. No oversudsing. But it didn't rinse out as well as Tide HE probably would have. With the medium spin speed on the Bulky cycle, the blankets seem wetter and heavier than with the SQ TL. With the TL I would have limited that to one blanket at a time.

If I could keep only one machine, it'd be the SQ TL, which IMO cleans and rinses better and is easier on clothes than anything I've ever used. Over the years, I've used a FL here and there and JMO I've been unimpressed. The SQ FL is much better than the other FLs I've used, and I could live with it as my daily driver if I had to, but I'm still not one of those FL converts who prefers them hands down to TL. If someone asked me, I'd recommend the SQ TL over the FL. Overall the SQ FL seems like a laundromat machine -- a very nice, solid, well built, well engineered and competent machine that acts like it knows what it's doing, doesn't have to exert any effort to do it, and doesn't intend depart this Earth any time soon. For a FL it was my choice, and I'm not sorry I picked it. But others might prefer other FL brands with different price points, capacities and other features.
 
Congratualtions.........

There is probably going to be a learning curve with the new FL. Eventually, you'll probably find the right formula.

We came very close to purchasing this same front loader as a daily driver, but got cold feet. We already knew how the Speed Queen top loaders perform, so we chose the AWE92. Couldn't be happier.

Depending on our needs, we've been known to run small loads. Neat thing about the SQTL is how well balanced the spin is, regardless of load size. We were thinking the SQFL might not be that forgiving.

We would have chosen the FL if there was a way to live with it for awhile, before purchasing.
 
To some extent all H-axis washing machines

Are happiest for "cottons" or "normal" loads when at or near capacity. Delicates, woolens, etc... are another matter.

Even with modern electronic computer brains trying to balance small loads is difficult for many H-axis machines and the resulting vibrations and so forth likely aren't good for the washer.
 
Well Said

A small but heavy lump of wet clothing resting at the six O'clock position, just before spinning.

For most any front loader, we were thinking it would sound something like thump, thump, thump for awhile.

Our sometimes smaller loads not a good fit for the FL's, we think.
 
Truly well built front loaders such as commerical/industrial

Washers recommend for most all "normal" cycles to load the drum fully.



My vintage Miele washer per owner's manual states pretty much the same. You can load the drum full leaving a bit of room at the top (about the size of human fist), and all should be well.

Fast forward to modern times and IIRC many machines by Miele and others only recommend loading washer three-quarters full. For all its huge size the now discontinued Miele 4XXX series washers were one such beast.

This probably has to do with the niggardly amounts of water being used in modern machines. My water frugal AEG OKO-Lavamat shows "full/100%) often when the drum is only three-quarters loaded. If it has to stop and top off water too many times an "overload/percentage" message will almost certainly follow.

H-axis washers wash and rinse better when doing full loads because of how they operate. Spin cycles are easier and more balanced when there is a full load of "normal" clothing out of pure physics. Fully loaded drum allows machine to evenly disperse load round perimeter of tub as machine beings to spin. With less than full loads of say "Cottons" machine must try harder to evenly move what little there is around tub evenly. Often after whatever pre-programmed attempts machine will simply start spinning; banging, clanging, and vibrating away.

One reason I like the Oko-Lavamat over older Miele is that it tries much harder to reach even distribution of washing for smoother spins.
 
Default settings

Hi GElaundry4ever:

If you go to SQ's website, pick the AWNE9RS front loader, then scroll down and hit Product Literature, then Use and Care Manual. You should get the full owner's manual with pages of charts that show the control panel, default settings, and what every cycle does exactly, with timings down to the second. :-)
 
Load size

Hi Laundress and nickatnite,

Yes the owner's manual says "do not hesitate" to fill the drum completely with clothes, and it says that smaller loads will result in premature wear to the washer. It also recommends adding other items to balance a load such as a towel to balance a blanket.

All that said, with a smaller load there are times when it balances out perfectly on the first try, and there are times when, with a full load, it has to try several times, although that's less often.

Not sure if all FL's use this procedure but this is what it does: spin is clockwise. So, while rotating clockwise, it will slowly increase speed, and if it's unbalanced it will slow down, then try again. If after (I think) the third try it's unsuccessful, then it stops and pauses, as if with an eye roll and sigh. Then it rotates alternately CCW and CW several times to mix it all up, and tries again. If it still doesn't balance, then it tries speeding up more gradually. Kinda reminiscent of Julia Child scooping her potato pancake off the stove and smoothing it back in the pan with her hands, remarking that the beauty of being in the kitchen is that nobody sees you, and then saying, "now I'm gonna flip this, by gum."
 
I have a 6K Miele washer and sometimes it does the spin as you described.  Other times it will do a burst spin(quick ramp up then slow to stop, then flip the clothes back and forth, before slow ramp up to spin, and other times it will do two sets of quick ramp up and flip back and forth, before slowly starting the spin and gradually increasing the speed.

 

So it kind of like you don't know what you are going to get - until you to get it.   I can't really say I have problems with it going into spins since it seems to use different approaches for different types of loads. 

 

How long is the wash portion on your FL SQ and do different cycles use different wash lengths?  How many rinses does it do?
 
Heavy duty washes 15 minutes, Whites 20. If you press both second rinse and third rinse, it does a total of 5 rinses.

I'm really happy with it now that I've had some learning curve time. 1 tablespoon detergent is plenty.

I did an experiment. After a load of sheets was washed in the FL,, I put them in the TL on rinse only, and the rinse water in the TL was very clear. So the FL rinses well! I'm very satisfied, and with the amazing water and detergent savings I believe I'll be using it much more than the TL.
 
Maybe I should have said it does 2 rinses normally, a third if you press second rinse, and two more if you press third rinse.

When the spin starts to accelerate, it makes the knocking, banging, thumping sound danmantn showed on a video clip, but only for a few moments, and then it speeds up into a very smooth and quiet spin.
 
Sounds Great........

Just out of curiosity, do you think a king-size comforter would fit in there?

We were just curious. Thanks.
 
I don't think so.

It's 3.4 cubic feet. Even if you could manage to stuff it in, I can't imagine it getting clean and rinsing out.

The LGs and Samsungs typically are 4.3 and 4.5 cubic ft, and I believe it's their 5.2 cubic ft mega size FLs that are advertised as being able to do a King comforter. (But after the comforter is washed, with a machine 5.2 cubic ft, it'd be hard to come up with a big enough load of clothes to wash without having spin balancing problems, unless you have a big family and/or like to just wash one huge load of everything mixed together without sorting)
 
Do not think there is a front loader sold for domestic use

That will hold a king sized down filled duvet. At least not dry and fluffy. If you could manage to get all the air out and saturated with water that might be another matter.

All eider down filled items go to the laundromat and into the 50lb washer.

Look at the above video. That huge commercial front loader (soft mount) can handle being packed full of down items because of the build quality and likely how it is programmed. Most likely after first wash/rinse the machine will spin to flatten things out by removing the air naturally trapped in down.

IIRC Miele or some other large front loader has or had a down/pillow cycle that pretty much did the same, but think duvets were limited to queen or perhaps double/full.

Then doing down items at laundromat things basically go round and round/back and forth until the first spin. This causes "tons" of water to be extracted from the load along with air, hence the flattening.

Down actually resists water and is quite buoyant; this is why it keeps birds warm and dry. So it takes some time for pillows and duvets to get "wet" enough and begin to lose those properties. However helped along by compression (extraction, wringing through a mangle, etc...) it will happen quicker.
 
Thanks, Laundress.....

So, king-size comforter? We'll continue to leave it to the professionals.

No top loader buyers remorse for us.

Thanks for your insight.
 
New SQ Front Load Washers

Hi HD, thanks for the thoughtful reviews on the new SQFLers, I have had my SQFL washer for over 11 years now and never a single problem.

 

I do admit I almost always wash really full loads however.

 

We are selling a lot of the new FL washers and so far no problems. The slight knocking during acceleration with slightly unbalanced loads is the shocks not the bearings.

 

Our little company has sold more than 500 TLSQs and more than 100 SQFLers over the past 6 or 7 years and I live in fear of having to replace bearings and transmissions in the TLers as they start to fail, by contrast major repairs are a piece of cake on the FL machines, however I am sure that most of the SQ TL machines will just get replaced when this happens.

 

The price of SQ FLers has recently DROPPED by $200-300 so they are now competitive with other brands high end models.

 

To wash King-Sized comforters at home we just use one of our 60s Kenmore Combos, it does a beautiful job.

John L.
 
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