New SQ Video By Eugene(LorainFurniture) ***Important***

[scrubflex]

I agree with you chetlaham, was thinking the exact thing...(won't be surprised to hear Whirlpool buys Alliance Corp)...all they have to do is design a more effective agitator...not a difficult task...they had one of the best agitators in the market...capable of handling 'overloaded' loads with ease...why RISK losing so many customers...doesn't make any sense

 

[toploader55]

You are being very kind to SQ.

I am trying to find another vid to just update my thoughts. But I don't think it will matter at this point.

none the less... I am happy you stood up for what you believe in. <ost today are about how much they can make and screw people.

I am honored to know you.

Ah... here it is... Just a wash in the 806 to compare to the SQ, New Tag and the good ol' 806...

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In the mean time... You gotta spend money to make money and you get what you pay for. (Not so much these days)

 

[askolover]

You ALWAYS pay for what you get....SOMETIMES you get what you pay for!

 

[joeypete]

I have very mixed feelings about this machine. Being open minded, I've defended HE top loaders because, well, I've used them and found them to work well when used properly. This one though, I don't know. I completely understand and believe that you don't need to thrash items all of the place to get them clean and this method of agitation probably works fine. BUT, it does seem to work better on smaller loads. I really don't care to spend that much money to try it out either, so I may never know first hand.

 

[combo52]

The New SQ Top Load Washer

I was the first one hear on AW to voice concerns about this new design SQ washer and many here dough ted my concerns about this machine.

 

The company that Jeff and Jason and I founded and run after almost 40 years has consistently been the top rated service and SALES appliance company in consumer and manufacturer surveys in the DC area for over 30 years, we always look out for our customers FIRST making economical repairs and giving good deals on new appliances that are proven to be good values and that we believe in.  [We have never sold a Samsung or LG branded appliance for example or even a GE branded laundry appliance ]

 

I am proud that my buddy Eugene got a hold of this new washer and posted the results for all to see, I think that SQ overreacted to his tests and they will in the end do more harm to their brand by doing so.

 

I have voiced concerns about this new washer to our sales rep, the distributor, the Service reps and back to SQ in Wisconsin as well, but at this time I am choosing to work within the system to affect change. I have an obligation to the thousands of customers that have purchased SQ appliances in this area to offer service and support and intend to do so.

 

I am very disappointed in SQs plans to curtail sales of their great FL washers this year, this to me is the bigger story here.

 

 

As to all the hype about the so called MT Commercial TL washers, we have sold some of these and will also offer them, BUT this is no where near as good a machine as the WP DD washers in washing performance, without a tub brake it simply does not wash as large a load as the DDs. It is basically a slightly improved VMW top load washer which WP brought out in 2010 and these machines have had all kinds of SERIOUS durability and PERFORMANCE problems and a large percentage of customers HATE them, we replace several every month where customers just can't stand them any longer.

 

For the washer collectors here on this site that want a traditional top load machine you are better off getting a slightly vintage machine like a 1985-2008 WP built DD washer, there are also other good vintage options depending on how much work you want to do and how much you want to spend.

 

John L.

 

[joeypete]

I read some of the manuals for these new machines and from what I gathered, it seems as though using a higher water level helps this machine clean better. After watching Eugene's video on the work pants, heavy duty was used, but so was auto fill. I think a higher water level would have been better for that load. The pants might have moved around more.

So again with my experience in HE washing, this machine has fallen into the "trap" if you will, that you have to pay more attention to how your washing your items. Meaning cycle selection/water level. One reason I went to a more traditional style of washer with my F&P, is that I was growing tired of constantly tweaking the machine. They give you plenty of options but it seemed as though I had to "baby" the machine to get to work properly. Most consumers are NOT going to do that, hence why so many new washers get bad reviews.

 

[askolover]

They give you plenty of options but it seemed as though I had to "baby" the machine to get to work properly. Most consumers are NOT going to do that, hence why so many new washers get bad reviews.

 

Most people these days don't know how to do that!

 

[Chetlaham]

@Combo: and I was one of the first to trust you even though I could not publicly espouse that because it resulted in your intelligence being questioned by a select few members.

Tub breaks: You know, this kills me. It just does. Because the design that they took it from had a tub break or rather a clutch drum band. I see no reason why this could not have been carried over. "It wont work on a full sized washer" the critics will quip. BS! Well guess what, it does:



I don't understand why America always gets inferior products that same tuff being sold in Mexico, Canada, and Australia have significant improvements.

 

[Chetlaham]

@askolover: most people aren't going to if they can. Its called automatic for a reason- we just don't have the time and energy. Laundry is the last thing that should require more than basic intervention. Plus many are spoiled by DAAs that tolerated overloading very well.

 

[losangeles]

DDAs ??...2018 Speed Queen Washers

What is the long version of DDAs?  As for the 2018 Speed Queen TL as posted in Eugenes vid,  you could not give me one of those machines.  I may be old fashioned, but I want control of the speed of agitation/spin,  Water temp, and water level.   I do not need a computer telling me how to do laundry!  Thanks for letting me share.  Tommy

 

[Chetlaham]

DAA

Dual Action Agitator

Simply the best and most energy saving invention in TL laundry ever. You can fit much more clothing and it will come out cleaner.

 

[DADoES]

 
<blockquote>ChetLaham:  Dual Action Agitator

Simply the best and most energy saving invention in TL laundry ever. You can fit much more clothing and it will come out cleaner."</blockquote> Which brings up the question of why do I keep seeing so many videos of machines with DAAs (that includes all brands that have them) running underloaded?

 

[Chetlaham]

For the same reason you see single post agitator machines under loaded. People tend load less and use more water then is needed. Much like dryers with timed dry often got set near the max.

 

[norgeway]

The fact remains

Nothing on the market today will wash or rinse as well as the washers of old, Whirlpool/Kenmore belt drives, GE/Hotpoint Filter flo and Rim Flo, of course Norge! even a old Maytag will out do ANY of the new machines, and just as long as I can keep one running, I'm using vintage!

 

[speedqueen]

I'll testify to the same

My MT A207 out-washes and easily out-rinses our AWN432 and my newly acquired 1965 RCA Whirlpool easily performs better than even its modern gas counterpart. Vintage for the win!

 

[tolivac]

I am with Norgeway-----Go VINTAGE if you can-instead of buying a washer from the big box junk store--go to your local appliance swap shop,used appliance place and pick a nice VINTAGE machine!!You can still get many years out of it.I am betting swap shops will do good in the future when folks tire of their "new" machines that don't work!

 

[joeypete]

New machines work fine, longevity however is another story. But you can get decent washers cheap these days.

 

[johnb300m]

#53 is opinion, not fact.

Fact is that millions of people who bought new machines in the past 5 years are NOT walking around with skid marks and body stank.

 

[Chetlaham]

Ok I'll ask: how do you know that? There are no shortage of complaints, even this site has them:

http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?74263_26

 

[kb0nes]

If modern FL washers are so awful, why is it that many people (and most all Europeans) are happy with them?

Try to drive a manual transmission car the same way you'd operate an Automatic sometime and see how that goes Then go on the Internet and complain how bad manual transmissions are.

Most of the reason that modern frontloaders are not liked is because people are unwilling to learn, adjust and adapt to something new. People today are real quick to find fault with everything other then themselves.