Newest Whirlpool duet explosion found....

[henene4]

Commercial use, thus no chance he will get anything back.

Any this being the only washer, in a Spa, doing towels for 4 whole years, that was probably a bearing&#92spider failure.

Best case of somebody using a washer to its physical death.

 

[a440]

Although I am just guessing...I shudder to think of a nail salon washing their towels in cold water! 

Yuck!

Want to punish me for life?  Make me work in a nail salon dealing with nasty toes and nails day in and out.

 

 

[pierreandreply4]

more proof that companys should stick to making top load onl

well to me its more proof that comapnys like whirlpool ge maytag and speed queen should stick to making topload washers and fully discontinu making front load because seeing the last vid proves to me that i am making a wise choices going back to a top load washer when my duet set breaks

 

[kb0nes]

stick to making top load only

Top load machines have had catastrophic failures too.

Part of the reason that we occasionally see this problem today is because modern machines make an actual attempt to spin out the water from the load. Except for a very odd mechanical failure due to a defect, all these spinsplosions are due to improper use of the machine in some way.

Pretty sure a rock in a stream has never had a catastrophic failure either. Perhaps we should all go back to this advanced form of laundry...

 

[tolivac]

The Combo link doesn't work-but can get what we are saying about matteress covers and such.If water is trapped in it and the washer balances and gets up to speed-then the water in the cover shifts---SPIN-SPLODE!!!So--don't wash these sort of things in a FL machine.then times I have washed tarps,shower curtains,Stop the machine justafter it drains and shake out water pockets in the item-then let the machine continue to spin.After rinse-shake out the item again after the drain.If its a SC-just put it back up at that point-skip the last spin.In my area-wash Shower curtains frequently to avoid mildew.When I visit Best Buy and Lowes-now see warnings on Samsung and LG washers-both FL&TL about washing such things.
Sort of sad about the nail salon using essentually a residentual-household machine for commercial use.The warantees would be invalid in that case.Best Buy pointed that out to the owners.I can also agree with KB0nes about waterproof items in the wash-if you have the ultra high speed spin FL or TL washer-don't do those things in them.It is fortunate no kids or washer spectators have been hurt from these.Both would like to watch the machine working.Think I will stick with older TL machines.Don't want to turn my laundry area into an engine test stand.

 

[tolivac]

TL washers-new high speed ones fail too-many episodes of that on YouTube-yes--mostly due to user abuse.They need to read the owners manual and warning labels posted on the machine!Samsung,LG.

 

[mrb627]

Plastic Toys

Plastic is for toys. Steel is for washing machines.

Did they confess to washing anything other than towels in this machine at the times of failure?

How is this incident operator error?

Malcolm

 

[tolivac]

I do't like the plastic sneaking into these machines,either esp for any critical load bearing parts.Funny,in all of these Spin-splode incidents there isn't any mention of what was being washed.Did the operators select the proper cycles for the loads?Too much now in question.

 

[frigilux]

We're worried about the occasional exploding washer when this is happening?!

#killersawblades

 

[henene4]

@Malcolm

If this Spa is somewhat logicly set up, they have one place to wash theit towels.

This would be where the Samsung was placed. But, there only was 1 washer in this place.

Now, a Spa has an extraordinary high throughput of towels.

You put a washer, designed for household use, which means 1 load per day on average, maybe 2, in a commercial use, which means 4-5 loads per day approx. Then, you operate it for 4 years straight this way.

And, given my basic knowledge of physics and washers, such catastrophic failures only occur on such standard loads like towels if the system was somehow weakend before.
This means any suspension part (spider, bearings, absorbers etc.) had to be damaged. And give these parts barley ever fail at once, and if something breaks, its rather easy recognized, the user most likely had to recognize it and just operated the machine on, without doing something about it.

 

[stricklybojack]

Hmm..

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my two cents says even if they didn't choose the "proper" settings the machine should not explode.
Call me crazy but that's the way i see it.

*You probably do to but i couldn't resist the opportunity

 

[qualin]

I think a lot of these spin sploding problems could be solved with some decent amounts of engineering. Maybe I don't see the whole picture but:

1. They could use a steel outer tub with foam cushions on the cabinet so it could absorb the impact of the outer tub smacking into the cabinet.
2. They could use a heavier gauge steel to withstand the outer tub smacking into the cabinet. Also, heavier bolts to hold the machine together.
3. Sturdy steel braces held in with bolts on each corner of the cabinet.
4. They could put accelerometers on the outer tub to determine if and when a collision event is happening.
5. A high tension tub brake that can bring the inner tub to a quick stop (ie. As in, less than two full rotations) in the event of a collision.

Of course, all of this would mean more cost to the consumer.. Am I missing something here? Is this just a pipe dream?

Just some ideas...

One thing I can't understand is how Fridgidaire was able to design a washer which had a spin speed of over 1000 RPM back in the 1950's and they didn't have any spin sploding issues? (Maybe nobody washed plastic mattress covers back then?)

 

[combo52]

Spin Sploding Washers

Hi Bud, most of the things you list are much too expensive to install on automatic washers, also SSWs are not a big problem, probably less than than one-in-a-million will ever suffer such a failure and to my knowledge no one has ever been injured by a washer SS.

 

Even if a brake was applied as the washer went out of control it would still be totaled almost instantly, and if a 1957 Unimatic Frigidaire washer suddenly went out of balance at full speed it would severely damage itself if not destroy itself.

 

[combo52]

Spin Sploding Washers

Hi Bud, most of the things you list are much too expensive to install on automatic washers, also SSWs are not a big problem, probably less than than one-in-a-million will ever suffer such a failure and to my knowledge no one has ever been injured by a washer SSing.

 

Even if a brake was applied as the washer went out of control it would still be totaled almost instantly, and if a 1957 Unimatic Frigidaire washer suddenly went out of balance at full speed it would severely damage itself if not destroy itself.

 

Even though automobiles are designed to crash they still get destroyed in the process, in the very rare and unlikely event a washer crashes it is just not something that is practical to try to design around, IMEO.

 

[launderess]

Every now and then contemplate purchasing a larger

Capacity front loader, and maybe will do so one of these days if and or when Big Bertha finally goes...

But quite honeslty our local laundromat recently went through a refit with all new SQ electonically controlled front loaders. They spin between wash and all rinses with the largest holding 50lbs or so. For about $8 and change (chosing certain cycles increases cost by $.25/ea.) can do large loads that would take several hours if done either in the Miele or Oko-Lavamat. Best of all am not putting either machine through long cycle duty hours.

Just as with the machines show in the above vid can cram the drum on these machines full of at least five, six or more full sets of bed linen (two sheets and four pillow slips each) and things will still compact down to the drum being barely half full once wet. Bed linen is rarely markedto the point of needing advances cycles for stain removal. If there are any marks a bit of pre-treating before things are sent to the wash solves that problem.

At $8/ea. use it would take ages for me to equal the cost of a SQ or (when it was around) Miele 4000 series washer. Best of all don't have to worry about the service and maintenance issues. Yes, one gives up some comfort in having to go out; and if one lived in a more rural or suburban area probably would feel differently. But the laundormat is just down the street and round corner. Can load up machine, start, and go home only to return when things are done.

 

[stricklybojack]

Plus...

.
landromats have super high speed dedicated extractors that cut drying time way down for big items.

 

[launderess]

Extractors Have Long Gone From Most NYC Laundromats

At least. Cannot recall the last time one has seen one.

Apparently there is/was a huge liability issue which meant often mat owners couldn't obtain insurance if an extractor was on premises. This was for coin operated laundries, not sure about other commercial sorts.

Mat owners either love or hate the things....http://www.coinwash.com/mb/showthread.php?t=985

Now if one could lay hands on a Montex extractor (hint a member has one....) like Martha Stewart has at Skylands that would be another story.....

Who Said Laundromats Don't Have Bock Extractors?

Well never say never, though cannot believe the insurance company allows it. Launderess http://cgi.ebay.com/laundromat-washers-dryers-including-all-equipments_W0QQitemZ7567421065QQcategoryZ55852QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

www.automaticwasher.org

 

[tolivac]

I remember a laundramat in Florida that had a coin operated Bock spinner.When I used it-followed its instructions printed on the machine label-and had no problems-was even fun to use.A woman tried to use it-but didn't follow the instructions-it shredded her clothes and she was running around the laundramat steaming mad!We made jokes about her----"Woman chokes to death from flying washcloth!" now I guess that wouldn't e so funny.Haven't seen extractors in laundry places in a very long time-the one I used was like almost 50 yrs ago!Back in the days when folks weren't blaming each other for things and folks operated machines properly.Yes,as pointed out--laundry places can no longer afford the liability insurance for a spinner-extractor.

 

[suburbanmd]

Extractor vs FL washer

Per the coinwash thread, a 35 lb. Bock extractor generated 800G. Undoubtedly a huge improvement over laundromat machines, especially hard mount. But not that much more than a "high performance" home FL. My Miele W4840 at 1400 RPM generates 600G according to calculations I made a while ago. If it spun at 1600 RPM it would generate 800G, probably a small improvement over 600G extraction-wise.

 

[launderess]

We also must not forget drum diameter

When calculating extraction results.

Amount of moisture extracted is directly related in proportion to not only speed of spin but size of drum.

For instance once you get past say 20lb capacity or so you stop seeing spin speeds >1400 rpms or so. Not only is the need for such speed reduced by the larger drum diameter allowing same extraction at lower speeds, but there is a great danger of having large to uber sized machines spinning at very high speeds.

Contrary to popular belief once you get above a certain weight class for commercial H-axis washers most are soft mounted, not hard. This is because of the forces generated during extraction are transmitted down though the machine to the floors and throughout the building. With a hard-mount it is said you can stand anywhere in a building and tell when machines are spinning. Indeed at local laundromat when the 50lb SQ coin-op machines are spinning a large and unbalanced load you can feel the vibrations even when standing several feet away.

Extractors made sense first back in the day when washers did just that, washed and rinsed. You moved laundry to another machine (the extractor) to remove water. That or used a wringer I suppose.

For Laundromats when top loaders dominated again there was a need for extractors to cut drying time as early units had very low spin speeds. Indeed so did many front loaders.

Today many coin operated and even OPL front loaders have realized the value of high "G-force" extraction so the value of a Bock or similar machine is often nil.