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.2.3 Regularly washing items below 65°C without using a bleaching agent may allow biofilms to
build up in the machines Washing machines should be disinfected weekly by running a hot
programme without a load (the hottest programme possible on the individual machine). This
should be documented along with the testing cycle information.
Weekly Controls Assurance Test must be carried out on an empty cycle at the hottest possible
temperature for the individual machine. A surface temperature monitoring system at 71 degrees
Centigrade should show that this minimum temperature has been reached. This should be
recorded and the adhesive monitoring tab should form part of that record.
build up in the machines Washing machines should be disinfected weekly by running a hot
programme without a load (the hottest programme possible on the individual machine). This
should be documented along with the testing cycle information.
Weekly Controls Assurance Test must be carried out on an empty cycle at the hottest possible
temperature for the individual machine. A surface temperature monitoring system at 71 degrees
Centigrade should show that this minimum temperature has been reached. This should be
recorded and the adhesive monitoring tab should form part of that record.
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I have a better idea
on all this.
How about the government get the $*$&$& out of our laundry rooms and stop with these asinine standards that have no bearing on reality or the ability to properly wash laundry?
I've said it before and I will say it again. There is NO water shortage on this planet. None.
It takes HOT water and by my definition, that is anything over 120 F. to properly clean laundry and dishes in the dishwasher.
There is no crisis of "energy" usage in using HOT water to wash things. None whatsoever. Water heaters, gas or electric, are far more efficient nowadays.
HOT water has for years been necessary to clean things. Especially those that come into contact with our nether regions. Go into ANY restaurant ANYPLACE in the western hemisphere and there you will find instructions on how to wash one's grubby hands after going potty. Pay close attention to the HOT water notation. It's there for a reason and a good one at that.
Same thing applies to laundry folks. It does not take a doctorate to figure this out. Anyone who thinks otherwise should apply for a lobotomy. Please.
Finally, with all this eco nonsense being spewed like vomit and all the energy we're supposed to be saving, what has that not shown up in the price I pay for gasoline? For natural gas? For electricity? Why are truckers taking in the shorts when they buy diesel fuel? In other words, where is the benefit in terms of financial (read $$$$)outlay? So far, I have not seen one darn decrease in my utility rates. Every 3-4 months, I get a nice little note in my bill saying my ______ fill in the blank is applying for a rate increase with the PUC. That includes water too by the way even though we're all econ friendly with our 1.6 gal toilets, our 2 cups of water for the dishwasher, low flow shower heads, bans on watering your lawn, your dog, your flowers and god forbid, washing your car. In theory energy consumption should be on the DECLINE and according to market economics, the price should DECREASE. But it hasn't. At least not for me. Maybe I need to move to the People's Republic of California. God knows what fallout the rest of us will endure thanks to their drought.
The great John Kerry has likened "climate change" to a weapon of mass destruction. Well we never found any in Iraq so that makes me wonder how we're all gonna deal with a fact of nature. Perhaps more cap and trade. Or taxes. Or fees. Or outright "bans" on things that an unelected bunch of dolts deems harmful to Mother Earth.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go wash something in my water guzzling Speed Queen. And yes, I will use hot water thank you very much.
on all this.
How about the government get the $*$&$& out of our laundry rooms and stop with these asinine standards that have no bearing on reality or the ability to properly wash laundry?
I've said it before and I will say it again. There is NO water shortage on this planet. None.
It takes HOT water and by my definition, that is anything over 120 F. to properly clean laundry and dishes in the dishwasher.
There is no crisis of "energy" usage in using HOT water to wash things. None whatsoever. Water heaters, gas or electric, are far more efficient nowadays.
HOT water has for years been necessary to clean things. Especially those that come into contact with our nether regions. Go into ANY restaurant ANYPLACE in the western hemisphere and there you will find instructions on how to wash one's grubby hands after going potty. Pay close attention to the HOT water notation. It's there for a reason and a good one at that.
Same thing applies to laundry folks. It does not take a doctorate to figure this out. Anyone who thinks otherwise should apply for a lobotomy. Please.
Finally, with all this eco nonsense being spewed like vomit and all the energy we're supposed to be saving, what has that not shown up in the price I pay for gasoline? For natural gas? For electricity? Why are truckers taking in the shorts when they buy diesel fuel? In other words, where is the benefit in terms of financial (read $$$$)outlay? So far, I have not seen one darn decrease in my utility rates. Every 3-4 months, I get a nice little note in my bill saying my ______ fill in the blank is applying for a rate increase with the PUC. That includes water too by the way even though we're all econ friendly with our 1.6 gal toilets, our 2 cups of water for the dishwasher, low flow shower heads, bans on watering your lawn, your dog, your flowers and god forbid, washing your car. In theory energy consumption should be on the DECLINE and according to market economics, the price should DECREASE. But it hasn't. At least not for me. Maybe I need to move to the People's Republic of California. God knows what fallout the rest of us will endure thanks to their drought.
The great John Kerry has likened "climate change" to a weapon of mass destruction. Well we never found any in Iraq so that makes me wonder how we're all gonna deal with a fact of nature. Perhaps more cap and trade. Or taxes. Or fees. Or outright "bans" on things that an unelected bunch of dolts deems harmful to Mother Earth.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go wash something in my water guzzling Speed Queen. And yes, I will use hot water thank you very much.
National Health Service (NHS)
Is the healthcare scheme for Britain and the advice given was for laundering healthcare facility laundry up to and including that in aged homes and so forth. Now one could be wrong about this but think public health and safety in that area is an area government should be active.
Is the healthcare scheme for Britain and the advice given was for laundering healthcare facility laundry up to and including that in aged homes and so forth. Now one could be wrong about this but think public health and safety in that area is an area government should be active.
My wife used to work in a hospital laundry, albeit on the "clean" side.. She didn't know much about the "other side",
zipdang
Well-known member
There is NO water shortage on this planet.
Yes, Washman, there is a water shortage. California is currently having the worst drought in 100 years. Water is a finite resource, and we ARE running out of it.
Yes, Washman, there is a water shortage. California is currently having the worst drought in 100 years. Water is a finite resource, and we ARE running out of it.
Ok zipdang, I'll bite
Where's it going then? Mars? the moon? To the earth's core to be vaporized?
I concur California is in a bad drought. But to look at one state (and a loony one at that) and come to the finite conclusion that gosh, we're all gonna dry up because of a natural (albeit harsh) climate issue in one state is stretching things don't you think?
Here in W PeeAy, we're staring at snow on the ground for the better part of two weeks. And when it melts, which I hope it does soon, where does it go? No drought problems here!
What WILL happen is this: A bunch of bureaucrats, in a misguided attempt to save Mother Earth, will pass a bunch of regulations. Manufacturers and distributors will comply and to cut costs, ALL of us will buy those products regardless of locale. There won't be a special batch of stuff just for CA, all of us will have to buy it.
But wait, didn't the great state of California have a drought issue in the 90's and as a result, the other 49 states had to suffer from useless 1.6 gallon toilets?
In fact, I went to Canada to buy a 3.5 gallon toilet for my parents home in sunny s. Florida. Works like a charm I might add. But oh, the potty in the main bathroom developed a crack in the bowl (it was old school as well). Dad needed one pronto so he had a local plumber put in a Crane or something. Two weeks later he had it replaced with another model. Then another. Then another and finally he got one that works half assed (no pun intended). Well that is if the waste is of the liquid variety. Put something solid in there and Korky the plunger gets called to duty. When I go for a visit and have to ahem, do my duty, the average flush is 3x (along with Korky the plunger providing assistance).
Let's see if my 70's era arithmetic still works.
1.6 x 3= 4.8 as in gallons. That is 1.3 MORE than the so-called wasteful toilet in the master bathroom. Huh? Son of a gun! And guess what, Korky never spends time in that bathroom.
Anyway, back to the People's Republic discussion...........they've had these lovely eco-sanctioned low flush toilets for just about 20 years now right? That being the case, why is there no water for anyone to use? What about the lo-flow shower heads? And the eco-friendly dishwashers? And of course, the HE FL and TL machines? Weren't all these regulations put in place to ensure that everyone would have access to water? What happened?
I'd bet next issue on the eco-nazi agenda is dryers. Yup. Both gas and electric. Look out fellas as they zero in on another appliance that needs more regulation to save Mother Earth. 5.3 KW 220v will be a thing of the past. I'd guess the max electrical usage will be reduced to around 1500w on 110-120V. Which is the equivalent to a hand held blow dryer. In time, we'll be like ma and pa kettle down on the farm fetching frozen sheets in winter and bird dropping stained shirts in the summer.
Ya just never know.
Where's it going then? Mars? the moon? To the earth's core to be vaporized?
I concur California is in a bad drought. But to look at one state (and a loony one at that) and come to the finite conclusion that gosh, we're all gonna dry up because of a natural (albeit harsh) climate issue in one state is stretching things don't you think?
Here in W PeeAy, we're staring at snow on the ground for the better part of two weeks. And when it melts, which I hope it does soon, where does it go? No drought problems here!
What WILL happen is this: A bunch of bureaucrats, in a misguided attempt to save Mother Earth, will pass a bunch of regulations. Manufacturers and distributors will comply and to cut costs, ALL of us will buy those products regardless of locale. There won't be a special batch of stuff just for CA, all of us will have to buy it.
But wait, didn't the great state of California have a drought issue in the 90's and as a result, the other 49 states had to suffer from useless 1.6 gallon toilets?
In fact, I went to Canada to buy a 3.5 gallon toilet for my parents home in sunny s. Florida. Works like a charm I might add. But oh, the potty in the main bathroom developed a crack in the bowl (it was old school as well). Dad needed one pronto so he had a local plumber put in a Crane or something. Two weeks later he had it replaced with another model. Then another. Then another and finally he got one that works half assed (no pun intended). Well that is if the waste is of the liquid variety. Put something solid in there and Korky the plunger gets called to duty. When I go for a visit and have to ahem, do my duty, the average flush is 3x (along with Korky the plunger providing assistance).
Let's see if my 70's era arithmetic still works.
1.6 x 3= 4.8 as in gallons. That is 1.3 MORE than the so-called wasteful toilet in the master bathroom. Huh? Son of a gun! And guess what, Korky never spends time in that bathroom.
Anyway, back to the People's Republic discussion...........they've had these lovely eco-sanctioned low flush toilets for just about 20 years now right? That being the case, why is there no water for anyone to use? What about the lo-flow shower heads? And the eco-friendly dishwashers? And of course, the HE FL and TL machines? Weren't all these regulations put in place to ensure that everyone would have access to water? What happened?
I'd bet next issue on the eco-nazi agenda is dryers. Yup. Both gas and electric. Look out fellas as they zero in on another appliance that needs more regulation to save Mother Earth. 5.3 KW 220v will be a thing of the past. I'd guess the max electrical usage will be reduced to around 1500w on 110-120V. Which is the equivalent to a hand held blow dryer. In time, we'll be like ma and pa kettle down on the farm fetching frozen sheets in winter and bird dropping stained shirts in the summer.
Ya just never know.
zipdang
Well-known member
Water isn't disappearing, per se, but the human population vying for its consumption is increasing. On average, the world population increases by several hundred million humans per year. That greatly impacts how much potable water is consumed solely for survival purposes, but increasing population also creates the demand for increased industry, which thus increases the quantity of water used in commercial applications (and how much contaminated water is discharged into waterways).
It's no secret that the two most populous countries, India and China, are expanding with all speed, and their projected consumptions of water are predicted to increase greatly. Factor in changing global climate patterns (even here in the rainy Pacific Northwest we've been placed on water restrictions from time to time) and some places go from bad to worse. In desert Southwest cities like Las Vegas and Phoenix it's been known for years that their water supply may only last a few more decades without some type of miracle.
In many underdeveloped parts of the world, such as rural areas in Africa, multinational companies like Nestle and Coca-Cola build water-bottling facilities that drain the water table so they can bottle the water and sell it for a profit. The companies pay nothing for the water they extract and reap billions in profit, yet the local populations find themselves without any water for themselves and are often forced to search miles and miles just to find enough water to survive.
None of this is meant to imply that in your region of the US there are water shortages. You might be extremely fortunate to have clean water in abundance. And if so, good on ya! But water shortages in other areas of the country, and the world, are very real. That's the basis for my belief in conservation and how we can use water most judiciously, rather than just using as much as we can because at this moment in time the water is there.
It's no secret that the two most populous countries, India and China, are expanding with all speed, and their projected consumptions of water are predicted to increase greatly. Factor in changing global climate patterns (even here in the rainy Pacific Northwest we've been placed on water restrictions from time to time) and some places go from bad to worse. In desert Southwest cities like Las Vegas and Phoenix it's been known for years that their water supply may only last a few more decades without some type of miracle.
In many underdeveloped parts of the world, such as rural areas in Africa, multinational companies like Nestle and Coca-Cola build water-bottling facilities that drain the water table so they can bottle the water and sell it for a profit. The companies pay nothing for the water they extract and reap billions in profit, yet the local populations find themselves without any water for themselves and are often forced to search miles and miles just to find enough water to survive.
None of this is meant to imply that in your region of the US there are water shortages. You might be extremely fortunate to have clean water in abundance. And if so, good on ya! But water shortages in other areas of the country, and the world, are very real. That's the basis for my belief in conservation and how we can use water most judiciously, rather than just using as much as we can because at this moment in time the water is there.
All The Water The World Has Ever Had Was Formed
Millions and millions of years ago. Quite frankly the water being consumed today was peed out by dinosaurs and saber toothed tigers! *LOL*
Where the water goes is another story. It can be locked up in ice (glaciers), bodies of water (oceans, lakes, streams, ponds, etc..., or in the atmosphere (clouds, humidity, and so on). The water consumed by living creatures is either excreted or eventually will return to nature when the thing dies. Embalmed human bodies have most of their fluids removed which go down the drains. What is left *should* be released into the soils as the body decomposes. However with the use of grave liners or vaults that "seepage" can be slowed.
Millions and millions of years ago. Quite frankly the water being consumed today was peed out by dinosaurs and saber toothed tigers! *LOL*
Where the water goes is another story. It can be locked up in ice (glaciers), bodies of water (oceans, lakes, streams, ponds, etc..., or in the atmosphere (clouds, humidity, and so on). The water consumed by living creatures is either excreted or eventually will return to nature when the thing dies. Embalmed human bodies have most of their fluids removed which go down the drains. What is left *should* be released into the soils as the body decomposes. However with the use of grave liners or vaults that "seepage" can be slowed.
arbilab
Well-known member
My 1500W dryer has worked fine since 1984. Fine for me, might be a tad slow for a housewife (can we still say that word?) washing for 5.
85% of practically-available CA water is used for agriculture. Great, I mean we all like to eat. But growing rice in the desert? Isn't that just a tad more frivolous than washing clothes in actual water? Total CA water use by households is only 10% of what's available.
Crucial foodchain aquifers like Ogalalla are being drained substantially faster than they can replenish. ABSOLUTELY can't do that indefinitely. A lot of it to grow corn. Great, I like corn. But the bulk of that ends up in gasoline where it cuts mileage or in softdrinks where it makes them taste bad. Whose idea was that? Oh, Monsanto and Archer-Daniels-Midland lobbying congress, which will do anything they're bribed to do whether it paints us hopelessly into a corner or not.
The shortage of water is somewhat harder to quantify than the shortage of leadership I think we can all agree upon.
Meanwhile (I read more about CA water) this year's 'state water project' water distribution is scheduled to be 40% and federal water distribution is scheduled to be zero. In that light it's hard to assert there is no shortage of water, when major suppliers to the country's major ag state promise between 40% and zero% of their contract amounts.[this post was last edited: 2/24/2014-03:55]
85% of practically-available CA water is used for agriculture. Great, I mean we all like to eat. But growing rice in the desert? Isn't that just a tad more frivolous than washing clothes in actual water? Total CA water use by households is only 10% of what's available.
Crucial foodchain aquifers like Ogalalla are being drained substantially faster than they can replenish. ABSOLUTELY can't do that indefinitely. A lot of it to grow corn. Great, I like corn. But the bulk of that ends up in gasoline where it cuts mileage or in softdrinks where it makes them taste bad. Whose idea was that? Oh, Monsanto and Archer-Daniels-Midland lobbying congress, which will do anything they're bribed to do whether it paints us hopelessly into a corner or not.
The shortage of water is somewhat harder to quantify than the shortage of leadership I think we can all agree upon.
Meanwhile (I read more about CA water) this year's 'state water project' water distribution is scheduled to be 40% and federal water distribution is scheduled to be zero. In that light it's hard to assert there is no shortage of water, when major suppliers to the country's major ag state promise between 40% and zero% of their contract amounts.[this post was last edited: 2/24/2014-03:55]
hoover1100
Well-known member
Washman
I'm sorry, but did you actually pay any attention to the links Laundress posted?
They are discussing the procedures taken in British hospitals to avoid cross-contamination and deal with infected laundry, infact the methods they discuss would be considered thorough and "wasteful" by most peoples standards at any point in history!
"Finally, with all this eco nonsense being spewed like vomit and all"
Must feel a bit like having your right-wing rhetoric shoved down our throats when trying to discuss our appreciation of laundry appliances, non?
I'm sorry, but did you actually pay any attention to the links Laundress posted?
They are discussing the procedures taken in British hospitals to avoid cross-contamination and deal with infected laundry, infact the methods they discuss would be considered thorough and "wasteful" by most peoples standards at any point in history!
"Finally, with all this eco nonsense being spewed like vomit and all"
Must feel a bit like having your right-wing rhetoric shoved down our throats when trying to discuss our appreciation of laundry appliances, non?
Thanks Rick and Matt, well said. There is a forum in the member's section of the website for political rantings.
149-158F + time for disinfecting properly. While there probably isn't a need to ensure these steps are taken for the average household, I did find the hypochlorite bleach in the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">final rinse</span> very interesting. Many of us wouldn't do this but I often do like using bleach in the first rinse.
149-158F + time for disinfecting properly. While there probably isn't a need to ensure these steps are taken for the average household, I did find the hypochlorite bleach in the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">final rinse</span> very interesting. Many of us wouldn't do this but I often do like using bleach in the first rinse.
hypochlorite bleach in the final rinse very interesting
Don't know about *final* but commercial laundries do have a separate bleach/rinse cycle which is often after the main wash. Old phrase is: wash cycle is for washing, bleach for bleaching".
Theory is that first the work of chlorine bleach takes place in five minutes or less (depending upon water temperature) thus long exposure times does nothing more than harm textiles. Any stain/soil not removed by chlorine bleach during that time isn't going to shift.
Next when it comes to disinfecting/sanitizing laundry chlorine bleach will work better after a wash cycle or two. This is because by then much of the "germs" would have been flushed away leaving less work for the bleach to do, and you can use less of it for that reason. There will also be less muck/soil to interfere with the action of said chemical.
Final reason is something we have known since it was written on detergent packets back in the day; delaying the addition of chlorine bleach and or using it in a separate cycle allows all parts of a detergent to do their work properly. Enzymes, certain bluing agents and perhaps a few other chemicals found in laundry detergents are affected performance wise by chlorine bleach. Indeed enzymes are simply killed off as the bleach murders living things it finds in the wash water. *LOL*
Don't know about *final* but commercial laundries do have a separate bleach/rinse cycle which is often after the main wash. Old phrase is: wash cycle is for washing, bleach for bleaching".
Theory is that first the work of chlorine bleach takes place in five minutes or less (depending upon water temperature) thus long exposure times does nothing more than harm textiles. Any stain/soil not removed by chlorine bleach during that time isn't going to shift.
Next when it comes to disinfecting/sanitizing laundry chlorine bleach will work better after a wash cycle or two. This is because by then much of the "germs" would have been flushed away leaving less work for the bleach to do, and you can use less of it for that reason. There will also be less muck/soil to interfere with the action of said chemical.
Final reason is something we have known since it was written on detergent packets back in the day; delaying the addition of chlorine bleach and or using it in a separate cycle allows all parts of a detergent to do their work properly. Enzymes, certain bluing agents and perhaps a few other chemicals found in laundry detergents are affected performance wise by chlorine bleach. Indeed enzymes are simply killed off as the bleach murders living things it finds in the wash water. *LOL*
Ok hoover I'll bite
"Must feel a bit like having your right-wing rhetoric shoved down our throats when trying to discuss our appreciation of laundry appliances, non"
Not really. No need to apologize either.
No different than having pseudo-science shoved down my throat and not having a choice in how I wash clothes. Thank god SQ was still around or I'd be looking at a 2nd hand Maytag or Whirlpool or something that actually cleans the fucking laundry.
BTW welcome to a USA based forum. You'll find it shocking that some of us do in fact question our government's policies and debate them vigorously.
"Must feel a bit like having your right-wing rhetoric shoved down our throats when trying to discuss our appreciation of laundry appliances, non"
Not really. No need to apologize either.
No different than having pseudo-science shoved down my throat and not having a choice in how I wash clothes. Thank god SQ was still around or I'd be looking at a 2nd hand Maytag or Whirlpool or something that actually cleans the fucking laundry.
BTW welcome to a USA based forum. You'll find it shocking that some of us do in fact question our government's policies and debate them vigorously.
