NickUK's Hotpoint 18580 has a new home

[robm]

Hello everyone

Remember Nick's fantastic videos of his Hotpoint 18580 from the 70's, well I now own it.

Nick was unable to store it any longer and so I bought it off him. Unfortunately, when Nick last tried it the motor was very jittery. I got the machine in this knowledge.

I tested the machine without the casing and the motor was producing a huge amount of sparks and finally tripped my electrics. I later took the motor apart. The whole thing is generally sooty, however the brushes are nice and long but charred. The armature seemed fine but had a really tiny chip in it, not raised though (could that be the problem??) I tried cleaning the motor up. This time it got to a slow spin and the sparked again. I don't think the problem is with the speed module.

Any advice you can give would be most appreciated. I am currently trying to source reconditioned motors.

The machine is in bits at the moment, so I will get some pics later.

Rob

 

[tolivac]

Sounds like your motor has a bad armature.Where the "Chip" is could be a shorted winding-causing the sparks as the motor tries to run.Also would casue the brushes to burn-Are the brushholders burned as well?I wouldn't run the machine anymore until you can replace the motor ar armature.the bad armature could cause the speed controller to fail.

 

[robbiehotpoint]

rob, i have a friend who has a shop that i get parts from very cheap, a recon motor for the hotpoint i can get for £10 it will obviously be 800rpm spin i could find out how much it would cost to send through post and get back to you if you like.

With regards to the motor you have now it probably will be the armature if it has a scratch or mark on it, it will throw out sparks on high spin speed. The way around it is to remove the earth wire from the motor and see if it still does the same but pointing out the obviuos the earth is there for a reason. Honestly done mins sending a motor down to you, glad to keep another hotpoint up and running lol

 

[nickuk]

Hi there

Sorry to hear, Rob, that a good ole jiggle on the M25 didn't cure it! Hope you had fun getting that wrap around cabinet off - what a pain in the **** that job is, I guess you have the control panel and all the other bits in careful piles on the floor hoping to God you don't lose anything lol

How much is the motor sparking as it runs? Seeing little `crackles' at the point where the brushes make contact is normal. Or is it more than that? It never tripped our electrics but our electrics are antiquated.

Robbie Hotpoint - that's a very kind offer (though I'm not speaking for Rob) I think that machine needs a 1000 motor though.....

Hope you get to the bottom of it Rob and that it doesn't cost you a fortune. I don't need to tell you it's a good fun machine and I'm sure it'll appreciate your attention

Regards

Nick

 

[robm]

Thanks to all

Tolivac - thanks for your advice. I am so tempted to keep trying it but I think you are right and it could ruin other bits of the machine. The brush holders are pretty black from carbon.

Robbie - that is really nice of you, however, as Nick says it needs a certain type of motor number 904/1049/03 and I'm worried adding an incorrect part could damage the speed module/timer. I don't think I would risk removing the earth.

Nick - Thanks for your comments. It's such a neat little machine I love it. I have bought some rust remover and new appliance paint for it. The sparks are mostly around the brushes. It struggles on distribution speed (without the drum connected) and then on spin if you increase the speed beyond 500rpm the sparks get worse and you get a burning smell. Eventually a huge spark came out and the power went. This is always the case.

Because the machine isn't going to be used a great deal, I am going to try and get a reconditioned motor. I think the problem could be in the armature and replacing the brushes won't help in the long run. If anyone know where I could find one that would be great.

See the attached which I have seen on Ebay. I have just asked for the number. I wonder if this would be any good.

Pardon our interruption...

 

[nickuk]

Hi Rob,

Fraid that motor won't do it, it's an FHP motor for later TOL Hotpoints.

Wonder if it would be worth looking out for any 1000 spin Hotpoint made during the eighties / early nineties on ebay and offering the seller money for the motor and various other posteable spares? Trouble is more often than not people won't bother breaking a machine up cos it's too much hassle and they just want rid of it. If you could pick up a whole machine for a song though, your little man from Crowbourough may be able to pick it up and deliver it for less than the price of a new motor even and it may be a valuable source of spares

How about emailing the guy in the link below?

Pardon our interruption...

 

[jetcone]

Don't you have a motor shop handy?

A motor shop will have a lathe and can turn the armature to make it run like new.
They can also test the windings for shorts.

jon

 

[newwave1]

It'd be fantastic if you got this back to full working order rob!

I know the new motor prices are steep, but like i said to you on the phone, it could run another 10years or more if you did that.

*sigh* Its always down to cost!

Darren

 

[seamusuk]

Hey Rob.....

Guess id best be on the look out for early 1000rpm Hotties in the scrap pile then

Seamus

 

[robm]

Jetcone, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, there isn't anywhere I know and I don't want to waste money on it. Unfortunately the parts are quite limited and you have to buy a full motor.

Darren, I may well buy a new motor but I'm slightly worried if something else goes. I'm going to try and be patient and wait and see.

Seamus, thanks so much for your offer. If you do so any that would be great. I'd be very grateful.

Rob

 

[hotpoint9534]

Replacement Armatures

Hi, I'm new to the site and have an interest in older washing machines, especially Hotpoints!

Replacement armatures for the older GEC/GDA motors used in Hotpoint 18 and 95 series machines are still available. This would be far better than buying a new FHP motor and conversion kit which would mean losing that characteristic 'growling' motor sound!

I've got a 9534W and a 9537A at home but wouldn't mind finding something older from the 18 series if I could find the space.

The link for a site selling replacement armatures is below.
Hope it's of some help!

Tom.

Product No Longer Available

www.easyspares.co.uk

 

[lavamat_jon]

Tom - welcome to the site!

Jon

 

[robm]

Hello Tom

Welcome to Automaticwasher. Thanks for the link I am very tempted. The only problem is if it isn't the armature at all. However, if it is it would save me quite a bit.

I have found this link and they are the only site that notes the conversion kit. If I do decide to go down that road I wouldn't know which one to get?? The current motor has 6 pins and is number 904/1049/03.

Nick - I have emailed the guy at your suggestion. However, he asked for the number but hasn't got back to me. I will ring him if I hear nothing. I am going to try and be patient. I might see if any 95 machines come up for spares or if Seamus finds anything.

sparesrus.biz

 

[seamusuk]

Rob......

Those prices are way ott- mail me if you decide to go down that route

Seamus

 

[newwave1]

Welcome to the site tom!
You have the same model i used to own for yeeears. a 9534w! I loved that machine and would love another! Do you have any pics of the said model?

Are you from matlock as in derbyshire? I went their lastyear its a beautiful place!

I hope you enjoy your time here, its great to speak with people who have a shared interest!

Darren

 

[hotpoint9534]

Thanks to all for the warm welcome, I am indeed from Matlock in Derbyshire, but spend most of my time in Nottingham now!

I'm afraid i'm not familiar with the conversion kit myself, I'm lucky that both my machines have the original GDA motors. I know from a local engineer that it's very rare to have to change the entire motor, more often than not it's the brushes and/or the armature that need replacing. The motor coil itself usually only gets damaged if it's been tampered with.

I bought my 9534 fully reconditioned last year, it has a new door seal, brushes, bearings and belt so it runs like a dream. I will try and upload some pictures later!

Tom

 

[newwave1]

Tom-I bet the 9534 runs like a dream! I'd love a fully recondtioned 9534 or a 9545! That would be fantastic.

I currently have a wm31 sat in my garage that i found in a skip at work. unfortunately thats where its goin back because the timer made fireworks when i tested it and the motors gone.

My logics in abit of a state also, varying speeds, my 25yr old Servis quartz is my only fully functioning unit atm! I'm considering selling this though, It would be nice to replace it with an old 95series or the zanussi computawash i found on ebay.

What year is the 9537 from? Is that 92? the same as the 9534 but with the newer style door catch? Correct me if i'm wrong

Darren

 

[hotpoint9534]

The 9537 is from late 91 and was the first model to have the aquarius wash system branding and slightly larger drum with holes in the drum paddles. I have just fitted a new door seal to this machine today as the old one was going moldy. I don't think the previous owner looked after it very well!

It also has the later door catch with child safety lock. It doesn't seem quite as solid as the 9534 but I guess that's progress for you.

Shame about the WM31 making fireworks, you're probably better off waiting for a proper 95 series to turn up. A new timer can be quite expensive and might not even solve the problem.

You mentioned the varying speeds on your logic. My 9537 occasionally gets a bit eratic on the second cottons rinse, where it almost goes into spin, then stops completely, then goes back to normal. Perhaps its something to do with the contacts not being made properly in the timer.

Tom

 

[hotpoint9534]

My 9534 from 1989.