No Consumer Speed Queen Front Loaders in 2018??

[jcturbot]

Was out and about today and stopped by a Speed Queen dealer to have a look at what was available.

He was on the phone with someone higher up and they were saying Speed Queen is discontinuing their front loaders to the consumer market and only making them for the commercial market. Top loaders will continue as usual.

So...any truth to this? Probably BS but I figured I'd ask.

Jeff

 

[whirlykenmore78]

News to me:

I can't see why they would do that. Especially when they have the best FL machine on the market.
WK78

 

[launderess]

Whoever gave that information was not well informed.

SQ *is* bringing out a 2018 model year line of domestic front loaders. Production has been delayed until January of new year due to issues in complying with (yet more) federal rules regarding water efficiency.

According to my sources this will mean the redesigned washers will have totally new model numbers. That could be why *your* source is getting things confused. Looking at the current model numbers may not show anything after end of this year...

 

[jcturbot]

Launderess,
I'm sure you are right, there was probably a misunderstanding between the dealer and his informant.

Any ideas what changes the new SQ FL's will have? Heater? Larger capacity? More programs?

Jeff

 

[launderess]

All one found out was as stated

Thanks to yet more interference by federal government SQ needed in 2018 to produce front loaders that met with tighter energy/water usage. Thus new models will be coming in new year. Besides that cannot say.

 

[washman]

When was the last time anyone recalls when the goobermint got involved with something and it actually worked out?

 

[johnrk]

Every Day

you drive on the highways. Every day that your police department works. And so on.

Unpatriotic people living in this country disgust me.

 

[repair-man]

So now it's unpatriotic to desire less government intrusion in a country founded because it fought (and won) independence from a overbearing government ? I don't think anyone is arguing for NO government. Just LESS control over our everyday lives.

And I am certain that Speed Queen will not discontinue the residential front load line. That just wouldn't make sense at any level. Mine (at 2.5 years old) are not holding up very well in a commercial environment but in a household they should last at least twice as long as any other brand. And they do wash very well. All front loads do.

 

[johnrk]

No, Repair-man

You must not have read the thread that prompted my response:

"When was the last time anyone recalls when the "goobermint" (sic) got involved with something and it actually worked out?"

Our government is us; it was Bonzo Reagan who started the idiot's concept that our method of democracy is somehow 'us and them'. It was crap then designed to attract and satisfy pinheads and rednecks, and the orange turd in the WH is using it the same way. And, like Bonzo, he's wasting our money like a drunken sailor while saying so.

Our governmental bodies are full of good, honest, hardworking people, and I won't see others slamming them without saying something. If people don't like what we're doing, then they can get their asses off their couches and vote.

 

[repair-man]

Not looking for a big debate on government/politics. This isn't the place anyway. I just don't want somebody that knows next to nothing about laundry making decisions on what I can and cannot do with my washing machines. (Or other things in my personal life) The water temperature and amount of water I use poses no imminent danger to the general public. In time the public will increasingly favor the products that cost less to operate and produce better results. I love watching a good old top load washer as much as anyone. But after I experienced the water savings and better results from a front load I just couldn't look back. And I believe that at times government interference causes the inverse results of the stated purpose. And sometimes it DOES bring about needed change. Is it possible that if higher efficiency machines were more softly introduced to the public many more people would be receptive to them ? Instead almost immediately people ended up with washers that used so little water and not very hot water that they got smelly, not clean and often prematurely worn out clothes. All with much longer cycle times. Now most manufactures (not Speed Queen) are playing catch up trying to convince customers to "look at us" we use lots of water , etc.

 

[johnrk]

I Agree,

I'm not interesting in any political debate at all. However, particularly as we live in a time in our national history where ugliness and intolerance are the rule more than the exception, I won't sit still on this or any other forum while asinine slurs are directed toward our public institutions.

I'm old enough to remember the pissing and moaning in the mid 70's when airbags first came out in cars. As a car-buying public we were still fighting having to wear seatbelts! Just like the stupid argument about whether motorcycle helmets should be compulsory, people delighted in concentrating only on their own situations and their own desires. I spent decades dealing with veggies who refused to wear helmets while riding, and then when their brains were turned to so much ground meat in an accident, then we, the public, were obligated to pay for the rest of their useless lives.

How many of you out there would like to dump your airbags now, given the choice? Or your seat belts?

We're in an orgy of selfishness in this country, where everyone is so busy concentrating on what they want as individuals that what is good for all is derided a la "goobermint". Well, celebrate then, folks, 'cause the orange turd just took 2 million of our common park lands away to give to corporate oil and mining companies.

I wish I'd live to see the spirit of being in a common drive in the US for a better world again, but I'm not optimistic. And so much for this soapbox... I know it's a waste of breath on this website.

 

[rp2813]

John, unfortunately it's a waste of breath everywhere you encounter those who don't give a rat's ass about the greater good.  That's why I don't bother with visiting the DL forum anymore.

 

I do agree though, that FL machines are superior to TL types in cleaning ability, but I also agree that a "hot" water selection should deliver exactly that, and not some sort of programmed "I know better" dumbed down version that's barely more than warm. 

 

I am caregiver for my spouse, who is incontinent.  My 2008 Frigidaire Affinity FL won't provide water as hot as I feel is required for processing certain items that must be washed on a daily basis, so I end up adding hot water from the tap.  Not ideal, but there's no alternative other than the heated "sanitize" cycle, which is overkill and ties up the machine for more than two hours.

 

[mark_wpduet]

Correct me if I'm wrong

It's my understanding that SQ can make the normal cycle to comply with government water standards.....while freely letting the other cycles do what they want, as long as the normal "most used cycle" complies with government regulation?

 

[jcturbot]

What I thought was strange was that that the dealer stated Top loaders will continue as usual even though I'm sure those model #s have changed as well.

We all know from the Lorainfurniture post that there is a new model SQ Top loader coming.

Jeff

 

[washman]

Wow. I must have fallen asleep and woke up in North Korea.  I didn't realize it was unpatriotic to question our all knowing goobermint.

 

What I find disgusting are those who tend to lean to the left who knee jerk criticize anyone who happens to have a different point of view.

 

[norgeway]

Just do like I do

REFUSE to buy or use anything new!

 

[washman]

for Norgeway

Is Keatons still going?  Have you been there recently?

 

[ea56]

Ben,

“What I find disgusting are those who tend to lean to the left who knee jerk criticize anyone who happens to have a different point of view.”

With all due respect it’s a two way street with these kind of comments.

I seem to recall that you have more than once criticized members who have viewpoints that differ from your anti government ideas. I myself have been the recipient of some of your remarks. So, next time you think about making a derogatory remark about someone elses more liberal point of view, stop and think about how it felt for your viewpoint to be criticized.

There can always be a way to get your point a cross with out making a personal attack.

And for the record I happen to agree with you about some things. I just don’t see the EPA as the enemy. We should all be allowed to use hot water if we want to, without it being dumbed down and have our machines fill without flow restrictors. And I do believe that some of the new requirements for less water have maybe gone a little overboard. But that being said, many of our states do have a critical shortage of potable water. So even if Pennsylvania has an abundance of water, thats not the case for everyone. If the government is making changes to allow for future shortages, its in the best interest of us all.
Eddie
[this post was last edited: 12/7/2017-14:13]

 

[infusor]

If it wasn't for the government we'd still have pipes wrapped in asbestos.

 

[washman]

I concur regulations are ok...........to a point

I'm not total lazy fare (sic) yet on the other hand, I'm not one that believes when in doubt, add another rule, ban, regulation et cetera.

 

You are 100% correct, I HAVE been quite vociferous in certain replies.  Point taken, however it does go both ways and there have been others on here with pro govt points of view that have been most critical of me.  I recall I was once labeled as out of touch and my favorite, head in the sand.  I still get a chuckle on that one.

 

Back to the topic, I'm against over regulation by an un-elected entity like the DOE and EPA.  Notice I said over regulation. Not regulation per se.  While I have a certain level of respect for political leaders, I do not nor have I fallen into line that 'the gov't says so therefore it's gospel because they KNOW what is best for all of us".  If we are a representative democracy, then we need to take back control over our lives rather than let unelected bureaucrats do it for us. Just sayin.

 

I still question why, thanks to these regulations, that we now need to invest in "cleaners" to clean the the machines (dishwasher and washer). Did anyone consider the environmental cost to create, produce, and distribute this stuff? I doubt it. And while we're on topic, since there appears to be a water shortage, why is it necessary to create cycles that do not wash clothes but are there to clean the very machine that is designed to clean your laundry?  Yet somehow this is not a waste of resources?

 

I generally try to be congenial but when I am attacked, either directly or indirectly, I will fight back.

 

[rp2813]

Your head is where?

Well Ben, at least the sand is better than the other popular option . . .

 

As for why we need cleaners to run though our cleaners, that's easy.   A corporatocracy now exists in this country, and any method they can come up with to create more revenue to keep for themselves rather than give back to the system that enriches them, they will lobby for and receive on a silver platter from the congressional representatives they bought and paid for as a result of a tilted SCOTUS upholding Citizens United.

 

 

 

 

 

[ea56]

Ben

thanks for your thoughtful and intelligent reply!

If truth be told we probably agree on many things. And both you and Ralph make very valid arguments about the ridiculousness of having “cleaners” and cleaning cycles for our washers and dishwashers.

I’m hoping that as time goes by and the manufactures of appliances get better at it, the changes to our appliances to make them more water and energy efficient will be better thought out and more user friendly. Just look at the most recent invovations from both Speed Queen and Maytag, looks like they are both listening to what the consumer really wants.

And I agree with you, if I feel like I’ve been attacked I’ll defend myself too,nothing wrong with that.

I hope that you have a great day!
Eddie[this post was last edited: 12/7/2017-16:35]

 

[maytag85]

I am with Norgeway

I REDUSE to use or buy anything new!

We had more freedom 50 years ago, and we had appliances that did what they were designed to do.

The DOE/EPA needs to mind their own business!!

 

[infusor]

You refuse to buy anything new...... good for you.....maybe you should refrain from posting in here with your constant negative attitude being this is a MODERN forum, kindly go hangout in the vintage forum.

 

[johnb300m]

Ok, now I'm chiming in.

This scourge against machine cleaners is ridiculous.
I'm 34, ... yeah just a "kid" but I'm old enough to remember the "good ole days."
Do you know what else I remember?
I remember my parents running Glisten through our 1970s GE dishwasher because after a while it would scale up or have some stains in the Plastisol.
Now that machine used probably 10gal of water on Short Wash.
Yet it still needed internal cleaning from time to time.

You know what else I remember?
I remember my mom (or her having ME) clean out the center agitator of soap and softener scum in our old Maytag washer. That and the little holes in the lint filter. That machine used lots of water, hot if you wanted it. Yet still needed to be periodically cleaned.

You know what else I remember? Running cups of Cascade through different washing machines I had in apartments because they were DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!
We're talking DD Whirlpools. Post FF GEs. They had all sorts of gross buildup that needed some caustic cleaners run through them. Especially if neglected.
Speaking of which. That "oh so nostalgic" GE Filter-Flo scent that some swoon about on here? That's from scum buildup on the outer tub and transmission boot in those famous Filter-Flos.
I sure as heck bet those could've used some good doses of Affresh.

Machines ALWAYS required some cleaning and maintenance as long as I can remember.
Modern machines use a lower level of water, so yes, they don't always flush themselves out as well, all the time.
But let's not get all "harumph-y" that we now all of a sudden have to clean our cleaners because of the stoopid gubmint putting its nose where it don't belong.
These machine cleaners have always been around to fulfill a need. And they still do today.
I run my Maxima through a Clean cycle every time it tells me to.
Is it necessary? No, actually, it isn't. My boot is mold free, and the drum smells fresh all the time. Even if I skip a month. But I do it anyway because I like KEEPING my machines clean and in proper order.

End rant

 

[DADoES]

 
Anyone interested to see a Maytag wanting a good scrubbing, come visit the A512 in my garage. 

 

[supersurgilator]

I also stopped by a dealer today who was commpletely OUT of the old models and said he won't be getting anymore in He was taking a wait list for the new machines coming in January.

 

[combo52]

Energy and Safety Regulations On New Appliances

Are mainly created by the appliance manufactures in conjunction with Experts that are funded by our elected representatives, and I and the majority of Americans generally support these efforts that have made life much safer, made our clothes and dishes cleaner all while saving the environment and saving consumers untold amounts of money.

 

Every other advanced country in the world is doing the same thing, so there is nothing wrong with the general approach we are taking in the US.

 

Hi Ben, your comments are unpatriotic, but as an American you are free to express them as often as you like , however it puts you in the same group that burns American Flags, and I support you as well as other protesters with an automatic monthly donation  to the ACLU.

 

John L.

 

[washman]

Uh oh, now I'm a flag burner.

 

I guess I've been called worse.

 

Well I guess for my civics lesson for day is............don't question the goobermint because they have all the right answers to what ails us.

We have a twtter-in-chief along with 435 nimrods that cannot come up with an industrial policy that creates jobs, a health care plan that does not allow the likes of Martin Shiekel to bone us, cannot seem to address the doughboy and his ever growing nuclear arsenal, cannot come up with a workable budget w/o borrowing funds to keep our goobermint going,  can't figure out the opiod epidemic, can't seem to restore basic electrical power in PR, can't figure out illegal immigration, doesn't know how to engage or react to Putin and still spends far too much money and seeks to grow in power and wealth confiscation..................and yet you have the blind faith that these dolts have enough brain power to tell you how much water  you are allowed to use to do your laundry?

Are these the same so called experts that had our panties in a bunch back in the 70's when we were told that the next ice age is just around the corner?  I find it mildly amusing how we've moved from "global warming" to "climate change".   Wonder what catchphrase they'll come up with next?

 

For shits and giggles, I think da donald should put algore in charge of the EPA.  That would be a real laugher. Al and Donald fighting it out; hell it would beat any reality show.  If nothing else, it might overtake "keeping up with the Kardumians" . With all the stupidity in DC today, I doubt having algore in charge of the EPA will make much of a difference.  Maybe he'd give us 15 minute informercials instead of powerpoints to make us all feel guilty for turning on a light bulb. And by golly, if it is a 100 year old edison bulb, then off the the algore school of ecology for you!

 

[repair-man]

Questioning government regulations = Unpatriotic = Flag Burning ???

And it's all stated as though it's fact !

And to think I originally clicked on this thread to learn about new Speed Queen models.