Nobel Peace Prize to President Obama for Diplomacy!

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Agreed on that one!

As a nation, we must be more independent. By having a good manufacturing base, managing resources wisely, and using our incredible base of skilled people and natural resources.

A strong USA is good for a strong and stable world.

We make WAY too many policy misktakes - and every admin for decades has done so - because we are persuing a policy of 'realpolitik' to guard USA's supposed strategic interests.

Don't like middle east involvement? WE NEED TO GET OUT OF OIL. This will take a LONG time - and we've wasted 30 years. It was CARTER who said this.

But of course, the USA is happy to be, well, fat dumb and happy. "Oh nobody wants icky manufacturing jobs!" Huh? Most of the guys I know who is under 30 would LOVE a good factory job...lots of 'em over 30 too.

It is unsustainable to think that, say, the benefits paid to auto workers could continue - I could wish for a pension that good! - but what we have now isn't appropriate.

It is no surprise that workers throughout the developed world don't care about their jobs anymore. Their jobs, if they are lucky enough to have one, don't care about them.
 
He Was only in office 2 WEEKS

When his name was up for the NPP what how could he be judged for his actions in only 2 WEEKS!
 
Can it be

that the level of frustration with the way things are has reached the point that it doesn't matter anymore when something good or positive happens, we just get angry?

I strongly urge everyone here to consider just why they see it as a bad thing when the leader of the free world is honored after the US was a pariah for the last eight years...and a good thing when the President of the US loses his bid to bring the Olympics to the US...that is not the patriotism which made America great.

When we no longer can allow our political opponents any good characteristics, when we take joy at what is ultimately our own discomfiture, something has gone badly, badly wrong.

And, Hunter, yes, you are absolutely right. Energy independence is crucial.

I'm not going back to just lurking, but I think my involvement in this particular forum of the three is going to be scaled back quite a bit.
 
Agreed- Building bridges and extending olive branches is certainly admirable, but only a fool would count his chickens before they've hatched. Let alone buy said chickens.

Politics aside on this deal, what burns me up is that in many ways this is a slap in the face to those who have committed their work (and their lives) for causes more worthy than a showing of "good-intent" as part of their job.

If Obama had gracefully declined the award, the Nobel committee would still have gotten their message across, the cache of the award wouldn't have been so questioned and (IMHO) this rift would have been a lot smaller.
 
Comment...

AT LEAT HE IS TRYING!!! All Bush did was talk about " TURRORISTS'' as he said ,it will take a while to fix this mess we are in..give the man a chance, he is human not superman.
 
i personally think

it's a fuc#ing joke! he hasn't done a damn thing to deserve a nobel peace prize!

i think he's a joke himself! i am not an obama supporter and i'm not afraid to tell anyone that, in fact i do!

he's an idiot in my book!
 
I'm Bewildered !-- Obama ????

The Noble Peace Prize ?
Peace where exactly ?
Certainly not in Afganistan or Iraq !
Domestic peace perhaps ...lol .
I dont think so....

And I am not a conservative voter .Nor do I have right wing affiliations..
I truly believe that the Bush family are evil.
Also ,Tony Blair( British Labour Party ex PM.) is a war criminal.
( I voted for him in 1997 ) to my eternal shame.

Can someone please give me a justifiable reason as to why Obama has been given this "prestigious" award ?

Regards. Louis.
 
Panthera, when you said:

>that the level of frustration with the way things are has >reached the point that it doesn't matter anymore when something >good or positive happens, we just get angry?

I think you have hit the nail on the head.

Like it or not, not EVERYTHING Bush did was terrible, and not EVERYTHING Obama did/is doing/will do is awesome. Some of the policies of the Bush admin, like the research into biofuels, actually has tremendous promise.

And both parties are seriously at fault for the Patriot act, and the Obama administration's actions to extend it is inexcusable. The argument that members of both parties used - oh we didn't have time to read it! - is just ridiculous - how can you vote on legislation that you haven't read?

Perhaps one of the biggest things we have in decline in western countries in recent decades is...critical thinking.

Now, Panthera, tell me more about these 400 euro induction hobs ;-).
 
See below (and link) for what the Nobel committee is saying, but again I think this is more relief and/or a vote of confidence in Obama than anything else.

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The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009

The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.

Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population.

For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."

Oslo, October 9, 2009

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/press.html
 
I think the problem with the Obama is that a lot of people believe that the Obama will fix everything, or just do it all.
Repair the economy, cure the housing mortgage mess, fix healthcare, etc. once and for all.
I think that this perception of him will be his downfall.
 
I agree.

And it is quite true that the nation needed something different after 8 years of Mr. Bush. Just as it needed something different after 8 years of Clinton.

Unfortunately for Mr. Obama, everyone does seem to believe he is a G-d. He's just a man, who has his strengths and weaknesses, just like everyone else.
 
Gladly,

Hunter, Here's a current market price breakdown in Germany. The price span is enormous for the same product...which we know from Roper and Maytag!
You don't need much German to use their search engine, hope this helps.
Personally, I like Italian hobs and since Miele and all the ladida brands are all built with the Italian ceramics, it is sort of silly to spend more when Candy or Siemens/Bosch offer the same thing. Miele washers and dishwashers, yes. Stoves, no.
This one in the picture comes in just under 400 Euro.

http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich...=desc&param.resultlist.sortKey=minPrice#Preis
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He's just a man, who has his strengths and weaknesses

I agree, As with any President before him. I honestly believe they had the best of intentions in what they did (Professionally not Personally). Even some that had misguided ideals, thought those ideals were the best. I am thinking of a few and not one particular in that statement. Trueman felt the bomb was the best, and probably was at that time, solution. Johnson felt that Vietnam was our duty. Nixon thought that he was above the law and was justified in what he did. Then we have Gerald, Poor Jerry the reluctant President. He felt, and again probably rightly so, that pardoning Nixon was the best for the country; much to his own demise. Carter was too kind. I can't say anything negative about him, he was just perceived as a push over because he did believe in being kind to his enemys.

All of our Presidents were elected to office by the people of the country, and I truely feel that they serve with the best intentions for what they feel is right for the country.
 
I get tired when people hang their crap on everything. Why do we have to hang the abortion crap on the Peace Prize? Why do we have to hang the economy on the Peace Prize? They are irrelevant issues in this case. The PP is for improving international understanding and cooperation, in that sense Obama has done more in a few months than Bush ever did.

I too was a little surprised, but I'll chalk it up to a bit of "Pay it Forward".
 
Hollow? Maybe to you, or the average Fox News viewer. Of course that same word describes their brain cavities, too.

It's $1.4 million for Obama, global prestige for our country and one of the greatest collective votes of confidence one could ever hope for.
 
Induction hobs and Miele

These are awesome! Wow!

Interestingly enough, I do own a Miele oven. (It isn't installed yet though as my kitchen renno has slowed down due to costs and etc.). I bought it for $1000 -- it has NEVER been used but it was a display model in a store.

It has an analog knob which is what I wanted - I didn't want an electronic 'display cook' or whatever they call it. But the rotisserie in the oven I cannot wait to use.

I also have a kitchenaid smoothtop electric range - quite reasonably priced at 850 euro (1200 dollars) when I bought it.

Hunter
 
Vote of confidence?

For what? "Change"? For a President that has done nothing yet except read a teleprompter? The award is for accomplishments not what-might-be-accomplished. How about giving the award to the people working on an HIV vaccine or cure? Now there's a vote of confidence!

Yeah, that global prestige and vote of confidence sure helped us get the summer Olympics. That worked really well for us, didn't it?

Let's see what Mr. Compassion does with $1.4M in his pocket.
 

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