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The seal
I am attaching a picture of the seal diagram and the packing box.
I am attaching a picture of the seal diagram and the packing box.
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lovemynorge
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seal box.
Sorry, couldnt fit the seal box in the pic. The box was marked "The Westward Company".
Sorry, couldnt fit the seal box in the pic. The box was marked "The Westward Company".
Well
Now I'm not sure what to advise, stumped here. Darn. And it's extremely difficult to find any parts list to prove your transmissin is the one that matches your seal. I have yet to find any PN's for mine, I just look for anything marked Norge, Montgomery Wards, Magic Chef, and if it looks like my machine I buy it. The seal you got is the only seal I know of, everything about your machine looks exactly like my 1978 spindle, splined post, etc. I bet your old worn seal looked about exactly like the new one, right? Did you clean the innards of the splined post so the seal seated well? I'm just asking everything I can think of because I am stumped.
What exact year is your Norge? It must be one of the last before they ended production of this old technology.
Hopefully someone else here will be able to give better advice. I will be watching to hopefully learn, and thank you for your pics and getting back on this website after vacation.
I truly hope all goes well for your continued use of that Norge, I hope my advice proves that, but I must say that if nothing works and you decide on a new machine, I may be interested in your washer. My 1978 is currenlty out of commission, difficult repairs, and maybe various assemblies swapped from one to the other will get one back into working order in my basement. But I'd rather see the correct advice given here, a success story that will get both of us back to that loud Norge wash.
Now I'm not sure what to advise, stumped here. Darn. And it's extremely difficult to find any parts list to prove your transmissin is the one that matches your seal. I have yet to find any PN's for mine, I just look for anything marked Norge, Montgomery Wards, Magic Chef, and if it looks like my machine I buy it. The seal you got is the only seal I know of, everything about your machine looks exactly like my 1978 spindle, splined post, etc. I bet your old worn seal looked about exactly like the new one, right? Did you clean the innards of the splined post so the seal seated well? I'm just asking everything I can think of because I am stumped.
What exact year is your Norge? It must be one of the last before they ended production of this old technology.
Hopefully someone else here will be able to give better advice. I will be watching to hopefully learn, and thank you for your pics and getting back on this website after vacation.
I truly hope all goes well for your continued use of that Norge, I hope my advice proves that, but I must say that if nothing works and you decide on a new machine, I may be interested in your washer. My 1978 is currenlty out of commission, difficult repairs, and maybe various assemblies swapped from one to the other will get one back into working order in my basement. But I'd rather see the correct advice given here, a success story that will get both of us back to that loud Norge wash.
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year?
Ive been thinking about the year I got my machine. I can only estimate but Im betting it was about December of 1983. I tried looking to see if there was a year on the "Energy Saved" yellow sticker on the front but I couldnt find a date on it. I also no longer have my manual (which is odd considering the packrat I am). As soon as I have time, Ill try to locate a model number, but today is a "rain it pours" day. My water heater is done today too. My husband spent an hour and a half at Home Depot last night (knowing exactly what he wanted when he walked through the door) and spoke with literally 9 people who couldnt locate, order, ring up, or figure "next day installation" on the model they supposedly carry in the store. He came home empty handed and furious. So this morning we are at it again. As soon as that problem is resolved, Ill get back to the machine and see what info I can gather from the insides. I will tell you though, last night he went on ebay and ordered the seal you spoke of so maybe it will work. Looking at your pic, it seemed to be configured (placement order of springs/seals) a little different from the one we bought. If that doesnt work, then I will probably be looking for a new washer. The dryer, still doing well and cranking away assuming I didnt just jinx myself.
Ive been thinking about the year I got my machine. I can only estimate but Im betting it was about December of 1983. I tried looking to see if there was a year on the "Energy Saved" yellow sticker on the front but I couldnt find a date on it. I also no longer have my manual (which is odd considering the packrat I am). As soon as I have time, Ill try to locate a model number, but today is a "rain it pours" day. My water heater is done today too. My husband spent an hour and a half at Home Depot last night (knowing exactly what he wanted when he walked through the door) and spoke with literally 9 people who couldnt locate, order, ring up, or figure "next day installation" on the model they supposedly carry in the store. He came home empty handed and furious. So this morning we are at it again. As soon as that problem is resolved, Ill get back to the machine and see what info I can gather from the insides. I will tell you though, last night he went on ebay and ordered the seal you spoke of so maybe it will work. Looking at your pic, it seemed to be configured (placement order of springs/seals) a little different from the one we bought. If that doesnt work, then I will probably be looking for a new washer. The dryer, still doing well and cranking away assuming I didnt just jinx myself.
OH NO
so no morning showers, due to a dead hot water tank. We've all been there once or twice, emergency plumber time when the heater goes.
Good luck, it will all be ok in a few days
so no morning showers, due to a dead hot water tank. We've all been there once or twice, emergency plumber time when the heater goes.
Good luck, it will all be ok in a few days
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Well, back at the machine and waiting on the second seal to arrive. For now, removing agitator and cleaning drive shaft between loads seems to be saving my clothes, if not the transmission. Each spin cycle is leaving about a 5in x.4cm drip of oil under the spline. Not sure how long a machine (transmission?) will run losing that kind of oil. Took a shot today to see if it was possible to find someone who even could replace the Norge transmission (and cost). Found one service at approx $3-400, given he could find a transmission. Its looking pretty dire. Of course he asked model number and said it was probably under the lid (all I see is the number 33-7929 printed under the wash instructions inside the lid. Not sure if that is it or not?
Norge Transmission etc
The Model # is on the front of the machine near the floor [ peeking through an oval hole punched in the front panel ] or on the top or rear of the control panel, the 33-7929 # is the part # for the lid.
The little bit of oil that is leaking will never hurt the transmission in the next 5 years, the real issue is that water is probably leaking into the transmission from the lower seal around where the washer tub is mounted causing the oil to float up and leak out at the top of the agitator post, replacing this top seal will not fix the washer for long.
These Norge Built washers are great performers while they last, BUT they are very difficult and expensive to repair if not impossible given the availability of replacement parts.
AGAIN my friend Bob in Cleveland has 3 working Norges that he will practically give away and if they do not find homes they will be recycled for scrap metal, contact me if anyone needs contact information, John.
The Model # is on the front of the machine near the floor [ peeking through an oval hole punched in the front panel ] or on the top or rear of the control panel, the 33-7929 # is the part # for the lid.
The little bit of oil that is leaking will never hurt the transmission in the next 5 years, the real issue is that water is probably leaking into the transmission from the lower seal around where the washer tub is mounted causing the oil to float up and leak out at the top of the agitator post, replacing this top seal will not fix the washer for long.
These Norge Built washers are great performers while they last, BUT they are very difficult and expensive to repair if not impossible given the availability of replacement parts.
AGAIN my friend Bob in Cleveland has 3 working Norges that he will practically give away and if they do not find homes they will be recycled for scrap metal, contact me if anyone needs contact information, John.
Too bad the machine in the link below isn't closer to you, presuming with a huge leap of faith that it hasn't worked itself to death. It has some interesting options you rarely see.
Of course the Maytag also shown is light years beyond Norge/Magic Chef in build quality and durability, and would be the preferred machine of the two by most members here. Hint, hint.
Just for kicks, take a look:
www.automaticwasher.org
Of course the Maytag also shown is light years beyond Norge/Magic Chef in build quality and durability, and would be the preferred machine of the two by most members here. Hint, hint.
Just for kicks, take a look:
Something wandered into The Pile yesterday...
A Norge burpalator in almond no less...
www.automaticwasher.org
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Was thinking the sane thing, Ralph,
Till I realized that Aunt Deb lives in Ohio, so Cleveland can't be too far away. Go for it Deb. Can't beat the price.
Hey Mark, maybe you should visit John's friend, and get another Norge while they're hot.
Till I realized that Aunt Deb lives in Ohio, so Cleveland can't be too far away. Go for it Deb. Can't beat the price.
Hey Mark, maybe you should visit John's friend, and get another Norge while they're hot.
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Hey guys...thanks, thanks, thanks, for ALL your help. We just received and installed the 2cd seal (the one originally recommended by Akronman) and clearly I should have just taken his advise right from the start and ordered his seal from ebay. My husband said it was larger and just enough to get the job done (so far);0). I have washed 3 loads to date and I have pulled the agitator after every load (just to be safe) and so far no oil beneath the spline after the spin cycle. I will probably continue to pull the agitator for a while yet, but so far, so good. Thanks Mr. Akronman for the locator on the seal. Thanks too for the lead to the other Norges Combo52. Ive been to Cleveland and its about a 5 hr drive from the opposite end of Ohio here. While I thought hard about it, my Mom had offered up her old Maytag if I could wait it out a couple of months till she moved, so we had already nixed the Cleveland trip. We were of the mind that if it was as old as mine, 5hrs was a gamble considering the exchange may very soon lead to the same issue, but I appreciate your effort just the same. I also am heeding your info about the water leaking into the transmission. I decided to just risk it with the new seal, and when it goes Ill just have to bite the bullet and buy something new or grab up my Moms machine as a backup. Once again, thanks to all for your help. Youve been a blessing for sure.
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Oh, and to RP2813, my Moms donation of the Maytag looks very similar (if not identical) to the Maytag in the link you sent me, lol. Apparently as a family, we were NORGE people (my parents bought me my Norge as a Christmas gift when I first moved away from home). Then, when they discontinued Norge, she bought herself a Maytag and she is still using her old Maytag to this day, ;0).
Good News
Congratulations on the successful repair, and thank you for posting it so future Norge folks can get a bettr idea of various repairs.
I'm guessing that you now have a working hot water tank and a loud washer that gets the job done!
Cool
Congratulations on the successful repair, and thank you for posting it so future Norge folks can get a bettr idea of various repairs.
I'm guessing that you now have a working hot water tank and a loud washer that gets the job done!
Cool
IF this hasn't been said, check the screw on top to make sure it is not stripped. My folks only bought Norges (they have a Norgetag or TOL Maytag Legacy now ironically, but don't know it's a Norge based machine).
I remember my mom use to take the agitator off to clean under it when she did rugs or things with lots of lint. I got cute one day and tried to 'clean under it,' but ended up stripping the screw. All of the laundry after then was ruined every wash. I think my mom still has sheets with those oil stains in them. What would happen is that in the middle of the agitation cycles, you could see the lid slowly rising up and it would just have a humming sound like something wasn't right. My folks started putting a heavy pot on it to keep it down, and that kind of sort of stopped the oil from ruining the clothes.
Thankfully (for my precious rear end that was) they didn't know that I was the one that stripped that screw. They never fixed the screw, and sadly somebody stole the machine when we moved. I would like to have one myself.
I remember my mom use to take the agitator off to clean under it when she did rugs or things with lots of lint. I got cute one day and tried to 'clean under it,' but ended up stripping the screw. All of the laundry after then was ruined every wash. I think my mom still has sheets with those oil stains in them. What would happen is that in the middle of the agitation cycles, you could see the lid slowly rising up and it would just have a humming sound like something wasn't right. My folks started putting a heavy pot on it to keep it down, and that kind of sort of stopped the oil from ruining the clothes.
Thankfully (for my precious rear end that was) they didn't know that I was the one that stripped that screw. They never fixed the screw, and sadly somebody stole the machine when we moved. I would like to have one myself.
