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And there are folks here who get upset when I say Maytag's managers should be shot with sh** and hung for stinkin.
Would you mind taking a few pictures once you have the cover off? I'd be interested in seeing just what is going on in the mechanism.
Thanks!
 
Yup. If you look on each side of the motor, you'll see silver uprights. There are more around each side. The welds where the uprights meet the top of the stool can break. That's the easiest way to describe everything.
 
Those clips raise the question:

Why on earth did Whirlpool buy them? I'd think the best advertising Whirlpool could have had was to have Maytag stay in business - heck, even I would rather buy a Whirlpool product than one of the those monsters.
Gah.
Kinda sums up everything which is wrong with the modern consumer goods world - and not just in the US, we have similar crap here in Europe.
 
Retro Fitting at its worst!

From everything i have read about these designs, it would appear trying to retro-fit somebody else's design to suit your own is going to end up a disaster...just like here. It's pretty bad that a machine (especially one that has the Maytag name attached to it) should fail within a year...such a waste. You have to also wonder what the h#ll were the engineers thinking?? Bl##dy incompetence!

Thank god we never experienced these machines here in Oz. It will be interesting to see how long it will be before we get the new Whirlpool designs considering Australia has always been about 18 months behind the US with new product....maybe they'll keep sending us the Performa and Atlantis washers until they sell out!!!

Leon
 
Engineers...

"It's pretty bad that a machine (especially one that has the Maytag name attached to it) should fail within a year...such a waste. You have to also wonder what the h#ll were the engineers thinking?? Bl##dy incompetence!"

Had to chime in here, because I'm a design and architecture writer, and this touches on some matters very close to the bone with me...

While engineering mistakes are certainly being made- with every kind of consumer product- it's not entirely fair to blame the engineers. Engineers, like everyone else, are hired to work under conditions defined by their employers. If the honchos at Maytag- or any other company- don't want to pay for sufficient research & development, prototyping, testing, etc., then all that engineers can do is to give the situation their most educated guess and hope for the best. Nowadays, with so much pressure to keep up stock prices, companies want the lowest possible costs and the highest possible yields. Typically, a company's brass will tell Engineering that it wants such-and-such a product, made to sell at such-and-such a price point, with such-and-such features, ready to roll by such-and-such a date. Engineering may protest that one or more or ALL those parametres are undoable, but as we all know from our own workplace experiences, bosses seldom listen to such advice. That means that you do what you have to do to make the boss happy and keep your job. Sometimes it all turns out okay, sometimes not.

There is a tremendous amount of "fast-tracking" going on in today's manufacturing world, with computerised CAD software being used to design parts and check them for fit and function before they're ever produced. That's good as far as it goes, but the computer does not yet live that can predict the effect of detergent and bleach and heat on a particular kind of plastic, over time. There are plenty of other, similar situations.

Even sadder, a company's engineers are not always its employees, not any more. Independent contractors are sometimes used to lower costs. That means no one's around to take responsibility when things go wrong, and it means that sometimes engineers don't have that responsibility in mind as they design.

It's also possible for things to be changed once they're out of Engineering's hands. A product's specs may call for three tack welds in a component, and somebody in Assembly may get the bright idea that two will do the job. That sits well with front-office brass, who would rather pay for two welds instead of three, so the change gets approved. Engineering never hears about it in time to do anything about it, and even if they did, it would take multiple meetings and a lot of politicking to get things changed back, unless those two sorry tack welds failed immediately, which they probably won't. Or someone gets the idea that everyone on the assembly line must work more "efficiently", which in the real world, usually means faster. Line workers may not get the time to do the best possible job of tack-welding, even if the number specified by Engineering is adhered to.

Worst of all, so many components are outsourced today that really meticulous quality control is next to impossible. You may design a really good control board, but what if the supplier cuts corners in his own manufacturing process? What if he shows you a high-quality agitator made of polycarbonate, then sneakily delivers one made of a cheaper plastic that won't hold up? And nowadays, if something goes wrong, the supplier may well be half a world away.

So, engineers are certainly key, but it's the suits in the front offices who are largely to blame. They want their stock price propped up in every way possible, so they don't spend the money it really takes to do things right. Case in point: the Maytag Neptune. That wasn't actually a horrendous design- it has been corrected and refined to the point that it CAN be reliable. But it should have been reliable from the get-go, by prototyping and real-world testing that would have quickly shown up the flaws in the wax motor, control board, and boot. Maytag's honchos evidently wanted a new product NOW, and didn't allow for such care in the design process. In the event, severe problems showed up in Neppies within a year- the amount of time that should have been devoted to accelerated-wear testing.

So, it's just like your job- your boss doesn't give you enough time and resources to do things right, and neither do the bosses of today's engineers, trust me. I would personally like to see companies' stock prices tied to a lot more than just the financial performance of a few prior quarters. I'd like to see investors check for product reliability, integrity in the process of sourcing components, environmental impact of the manufacturing process and the product itself, and integrity in the design and testing process. There are a whole lot of companies whose stocks would be a lot less attractive if all those matters were considered.

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Engineers

Hi Sandy,

Sorry if i offended, i did not mean to. I certainly see your point. We are not to know what went on behind the scenes i suppose. Certainly a lot is outsourced and contracted these days which certainly doesn't help.

I can only imagine they (the engineers) were pressured greatly to retro-fit a design in short space of time.

Leon
 
No Offence Taken!

Leon:

I'm far from offended- I just wanted to point out that engineers often get a bum rap nowadays. After all, engineers are trained to do things from the standpoint of reliability- if matters were up to them, we'd probably still be looking at bronze bearings, mechanical timers, porcelain tops and tubs, and so on.

I meant only to point out that there are so many marketplace pressures nowadays that it is next to impossible for companies to do things the old way and stay in business. One of the biggest pressures is price; discounters and foreign competition see to it that prices are being driven ever lower, in constant dollars. Once upon a time (say the later 1960s), a washing machine of decent quality was around $200. Today, a BOL machine can still be purchased at that price, even though the dollar is worth far less now- that $200 machine of 1967 SHOULD cost around $1200 today. Price pressure has seen to it that the quality of the 1967 machine is no longer available- we now have plastic tubs, painted cabinets, cheaper timers, and on and on and on.

So, it's a lot of factors, not just engineers, and one of the biggest factors is the price you and I are willing to pay. I freely confess that I do not know what the solution is here, either.
 
I just saw there is plenty of information about Maytag laundry available at servicematters.com You might want to check that out, too.

Select "Service Pointers" -> "Laundry Products"

 
You got it spot on!

It looks like my Amanatag, it certainly sounds like my Amanatag, BY GOLLY IT MUST BE, my model of Amanatag! Sadly, I don't have a video camera, but that's my machine and my problem to a T, although my laundry room is a bit neater than his. How much longer do I have, and how soon will my landlord pull the plug?
Also, if the tub seal fails during the cycle and the water level drops, will the machine start to fill with water again, but because of the leak, not ever be able to fill up enough to close the fill-valve, resulting in water flooding out of the machine until someone finds the mess and shuts it off? Imagine the creative use of profanity that might take place in this situation!

Should I buy a boat?
Dave
 
I figured that was what your problem was, and the guy in the film experienced the impending Tsunami as well. I don't know enough about the Amanatags to know if it will fill up again while pouring water out the bottom. I would think that the water running all over the electrics would short the machine out before too long. Maybe one of our Amanatag experts here on the site could give you more insight.
Personally, I'd sit on the machine while it's running, just to be sure! And definitely put a pan underneath it!
Anyway, please keep up posted on your progress with this machine!
 
Dave,

His laundry room looks like that because the damn thing puked its guts all over the place...
Yup, no reason why it should time out on that one. It will just wet all over the floor until you turn it off.
Like I wrote earlier, if I worked in marketing at Whirlpool, I'd be so thankful to those bright Maytag managers, I'd just do anything to keep them in business.
Best advertising their competitors could ever wish for.
Sigh.
The real tragedy to the whole thing is, it ain't the managers who took it in the neck when Maytag closed, it was the workers.
The consumers had already been screwed by the managers...
Whirlpool should seriously consider putting the name aside for a few years and then re-introducing it as a quality brand - with quality products.
Oh, who am I kidding?
 
Never mind what that squeek sounds like (sqeeking bed frame, lol), but if it where me i'd just ask for a new one and try and show him said video.. I wouldn;t want that hell in my house
 
I removed the front panel.

Ok, I got really brave and removed the front panel of the Amanatag and am watching the guts as it agitates. First, there is a fine black powder all over the horizontal surfaces which used to be the belt. The belt is not slipping, so far as I can tell, but it is wearing rapidly. Secondly, I have identified the source of the squeak!
As the machine agitates, the transmission lurches a little bit with each stroke of the agitator. Specifically, the whole transmission case spins during the spin cycle, and the brake is slipping during agitation. As the tub lurches back and forth with each stroke of the agitator, the brake chirps and squeals. Because the outer tub is plastic (oh, what quality), I can see the inner tub lurching back and forth inside during agitation. The brake pad is a flat piece of material, that is bolted into place along the side of the transmission. To engage the brake, the bottom of the brake-race rases up to sandwich the brake pad between itself and the top brake-race. Imagine a pulley that gets narrower to grip a belt and wider to disengage, except in this case instead of a belt, there is the brake pad.
It looks like the brake is too weak to hold the drum still during agitation, resulting in an indexing tub, of sorts. With each movement of the tub, the brake squeaks. Why is this happening? Is the brake pad worn, is the brake mechanism broken, or weak, or has something else broken, resulting in so much force being applied somewhere that the tub is forced to try to spin during agitation?

I will borrow a video camera and take some video later this evening.

Curious, and pissed at Maytag fo building this POS!
Dave
 
Sad But True...

"Curious, and pissed at Maytag fo building this POS!"

But don't you understand- this was how they kept their stock price up! Cheap quality at "competitive" prices...

As the lights go out in one factory after another, all across this great land of ours...
 
A correction:

Please pardon my poor typing, my new wireless keyboard is acting up a bit. Also, we do not, nor have we ever, overload our washer. I don't know how the former tennants treated the machine, but we have been kind to it. The partially-indexing tub may have something to do with the lack of rollover and poor washing action.

Oh what fresh heck is this!
Dave
 
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