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Not a department store

Walmart, Target, Kmart, etc aren't department stores.

Department stores have actual departments, staffed by people knowledgeable about the goods specific to that department.

Macy's is a department store. Sears is a department store.

Walmart and its competitors are more like discount markets. Everything is really in one space, separated into blocks of aisles. If one could find a Walmart employee knowledgeable about the products, and actually willing to share such knowledge, I imagine that might be grist for the Guinness Book of World Records ;-).

A national chain of stores in and of itself isn't a bad thing. But stores like Walmart and Starbucks have adopted extremely aggressive competitive policies. The classic story of a Walmart or a Starbucks moving into a community, then underpricing and out-advertising the local competition, drawing business away until the local stores give up. Then when the local population is a captive audience, the big aggressive chain store raises its prices to recoup its profits.

Walmart takes it a step further. Its slogan is "Low Prices, Always". But the truth is that most of Walmart's prices, once it's driven the locals out of business, are the same or higher than those at other retailers. Only a few bottom of the line "entry level" products are truly priced lower than anybody else. These heavily advertised and prominently displayed at the ends of aisle or at islands between aisles. But venture down an aisle looking for a slightly less basic version of the product, and you'll probably be paying more than you would if you shopped around first.
 
A friend of mine in Georgia is involved with the Reef Ball Project. For the memorial balls, the cremains are mixed with the non-toxic concrete and poured into a mold with an inflated balloon in the center. When the ball is dry, even the largest size can be towed with a canoe, if desired, or strapped to a board and pulled behind a speed boat to where it is to be positioned. The balloon is deflated and the reef ball sinks to the sand. The family can take part in making the ball and then taking it out for positioning. Because they have openings on the sides, currents wash through them but don't move them. Many parts of the world are using them with or without cremains to help establish artificial reefs to protect shorelines. Plants, coral and shellfish establish themselves on the outer surfaces and mobile life forms seek shelter inside. Because the cremains are not scattered, the idea has even won acceptance from religions that were against cremation and scattering of the ashes because they feel that the physical remains have to be kept together. I think it's a way to keep helping the world after you leave, not that some people won't be helping just by leaving.
 
Funerals and Department Stores

First, I didn't mean to offend when I said 'funerals are a rip off.' Certainly, what is done at a funeral is driven by the consumer. I happen to think that folks make bizarre choices with how much to spend on weddings and funerals, and I couldn't do that.

Second, I have seldom ever found anyone in a department store (using sudsmaster's definition) who is knowledgeable about his or her department, at least, not since about 1990 or so. It is horrible. In general, the retail experience in America is gone.

As for Walmart/Starbucks, I agree. The first time I went into a Starbucks - which believe it or not, wasn't until 1998 or so - I was unimpressed. As for Walmart, I also agree re: pricing.
 
i bought a funeral plot

complete with casket etc when i was 18 years old. took me 3 years to pay it off. this was in the 70's and can't remember the price.

i gave it away to my uncle when he died and it's the best gift i ever gave anyone! beautiful cemetary and my uncle is now buried only one mile from where my home is.

i will go to my grave being glad i did that for him, he had no where to be buried and no one else in my "lovely" family cared!

except i won't be going to my grave, i don't have one anymore and i couldn't care! gonna give my body to science, let the medical students at U.C. hack away on it! maybe they will find a cure for "obsessive frigidaire collecting syndrome"!
 
Well, just so you know------not everybody is accepted into the anatomical donor program. If no one needs your body at the time, it can be refused. Now, that can really put the family of the deceased on the spot.
 
Tell me about it...my grandmother died over Memorial Day Weekend 2008. Our family is a "donate the body to science" family with later memorial service. My aunt, who lived nearby, phoned the undertaker and the local medical school (Cleveland, Oh...maybe it was CWRU on Saturday. Anyway, with the long weekend and all, the medical school didn't get around to calling back until Tuesday, at which point it was too late and we had the body cremated. Our tradition is to gather and scatter the ashes in a meaningful place...we did that in a blueberry patch at my aunt's....my great grandmother we scattered at a county park in Tulsa County, OK. She had earlier worked on the committee to form that park or some such thing.
 
Funeral ceremonies are for the survivors, but the planning

is for the living. Not the dead. They are already in the next life.

My parents were shocked to their core when they told my brother and me how they wanted their remains to be handled and the funeral ceremonies conducted.

I agreed and promised to do my duty, although, personally, if that (insert worst possible insult) church they go to should burn to the ground with every single christianist in the congregation and their (insert insult, see above) pastor sealed inside, my only regret would be that they'd all die of smoke inhalation before they could burn to death, alive.

Still, that is irrelevant, their wishes are what counts. So, putting aside my own feelings, I said yes.

My super-duper-ultra-right-wing-christianist brother hit the ceiling. No way, no how, uh-huh were still usable body parts to be removed first. Under no circumstances. He'd prevent it.

Ditto their cremation, afterwards.

And so on.

In the end, my parents had every single possible (and many near-impossible) scenario pre-configured, written out by their lawyer and brought to the attention of the local court. The local hospitals, the funeral home responsible, their church (may they all die of Hodgkin's with an allergy to opiates), the crematorium, the mausoleum...right on down to which version of the Bible, which verses, which sermon, which hymns, who speaks, who doesn't, etc...

I would have carried out their wishes because I had promised, not because I agreed with them on many points. My brother caused them much distress on a topic which needs must be discussed at a time when all are healthy and well, not when emotions are out of control and grief governs.

I know, when the time comes, he will make things difficult despite the clear rules my parents laid out. No idea what to do then, christianists don't give a tinker's damn about laws and agreements...but that church only get's a substantial donation if my folks' funerals are held in accordance with their wishes. That is, I think, a smart move. You can always count on christianists to put money ahead of any and everything else.

Oh, and, yes - the church has signed a release in advance, that I will be permitted to attend the funeral with my partner and may visit them at the mausoleum (it would be on church burial grounds, sigh) at will. That one cost them $10,000, upfront. Just love me them christianists, yes I do.
 
Keven,

Even though I strongly disagree with your feelings about Christianity, I must congratulate you on the way you have decided to honor your parents wishes. Tell your idiot brother to "shut the fock up", and tell him to kiss your lily white arse. Hopefully your parents have put you in charge, and not that twit and his spouse.
 
Tim,

I think you are confusing the terms "Christian" and "christianist".
I am a Christian, tho' certainly far, far to the left of most American Christians.
"christianist" is a neologism for those gay-bashing, self-righteous, ultra-nationalistic people who define their love of God through hatred of the other.

Big difference. My parents' church is filled with the most hateful, horrible monsters to ever walk this earth, their approach to gays, lesbians and transgender is beyond belief. Like many gay people, I have been horribly treated by many American "Christians" and so now use the term "christianist" to make clear that not all Christians are like that. Sadly, as the battles here over the years have shown, an awful lot of us don't know the term and don't understand that you don't have to be a self-hating gay.

Thank you for your kind words, no, after seeing my brother and his family react to the last emergency, I realized that they would eventually succeed either in having my parents overturn me as executor or they would fight me to the last dime after my parents' death...so I asked my parents to have a neutral, third party put in charge. They'll have a very hard time of it going against her will.
 
Keven:

"I think you are confusing the terms "Christian" and "christianist".
I am a Christian, tho' certainly far, far to the left of most American Christians.
"christianist" is a neologism for those gay-bashing, self-righteous, ultra-nationalistic people who define their love of God through hatred of the other."


Keven:

In all loving kindness, I would like to appeal to you to stop using the word "Christianist" here. It is a neologism that almost no one in the United States uses or understands the meaning of, and your repeated use of it on this board causes misundertandings every time you put it in a sentence. Since you have a multinational background and are bilingual, you have a rich dual tradition to draw from. But I think that occasionally leads you to assume that others here are up to speed on what you mean, when your experience here should show you - very clearly - that they are not. I am not offended by the word "Christianist," nor do I disagree with your right to use it here or anyplace else you choose, but I think that anyone who has followed your posts would agree with me that it causes misunderstandings here.

I cannot and will not tell you what to do, but I appeal to you to consider a change.
 
Sandy,

You have a valid point. The term is quite common in the US in the political and religious blogs and journalism, among those Christians who tend to live somewhat more retiring lives, obviously, it hasn't made an inroad.

Beats me - I will not cave in to these hateful people, I will fight them with every breath in my body. Any suggestions how to discuss the topic such that I don't offend those here who don't get the term? It has been a fight for four years now, and I note that it also afflicts the seven others here besides me who use the term...

Thanks for your gentle tone. My question is serious: How shall we discuss this?
 
Keven:

Generally, the terms "Christian Right" or "Right-wing Christians" are understood here to mean approximately what you mean by "Christianist"; perhaps one of those phrases might convey your meaning.
 
Sandy,

I shall give it a try.
Sometimes I feel like we are just dumbing down the language beyond hope of repair. I refuse to give the Right-Wing Christians even 1mm, we need to fight them and fight them hard.

Your point is very well made tho'. Someone here who thinks I'm insulting 'his' Christian beliefs gets upset, then one of the blue-rinsed ladies sees the chance to create another flame-fest...and there we go, off to the races again.

Feel free to mention such things to me, please. I really want to fight these horrible people without offending those who do not belong to their ilk.
 
If Anyone Has...

...Another idea on what term best differentiates those who are truly Christian from those who use religion as a tool for shoving other people around, I would be happy to heat about it!
 
A man was walking home alone late one foggy night, when behind him he hears:

BUMP...

BUMP...

BUMP...

Walking faster, he looks back and through the fog he makes out the image of an upright casket banging its way down the middle of the street toward him.

BUMP...

BUMP...

BUMP...

Terrified, the man begins to run toward his home, the casket bouncing quickly behind
him

FASTER...

FASTER...

BUMP...

BUMP...

BUMP...

He runs up to his door, fumbles with his keys, opens the door, rushes in, slams and
locks the door behind him.

The casket crashes through his door, with the lid of the casket clapping

clappity-BUMP...

clappity-BUMP...

clappity-BUMP...

On his heels, the terrified man runs.

Rushing upstairs to the bathroom, the man locks himself in. His heart is pounding; his
head is reeling; his breath is coming in sobbing
gasps.

With a loud CRASH the casket breaks down the door.

Bumping and clapping toward him.

The man screams and reaches for something, anything, but all he can find is cough syrup!

Desperate, he throws the cough syrup at the casket...

and............................

The coffin stops
 
Sandy was correct in his assumption, and Keven, I apologize for assuming you were non-Christian. I also detest the right-wing hate-mongers as I have several gay cousins that are in more committed relationships than some of my straight relatives. The people who use religion to justify their hatreds are in my opinion, closet atheists in sheeps clothing. Keven, even though I may lead a somewhat sheltered existence here in fairly rural Wisconsin, I feel we may be quite similar in our attitudes and opinions. P.S., I voted for Obama, and support him wholeheartedly, what does that tell you.
 
Tim,

But of course, accepted. I doubt Wisconsin comes close to Fort Collins in the "back in the woods" category.

Or do you have balloon boys, too?

See!
We are more backward than you are!
HA!

Um, why do I feel like winning that one was not a victory???

Take care, Tim. Sandy is right, I, we, need to find a means to talk together, all of us.
 
hey gyrafoam

if they don't take me when i'm dead then i guess i'll sit somewhere and rot away cause i refuse to pay good money for my death arrangements when that money can be used while i am alive! on more fun things, like washers and road trips to get washers!

i have absolutely no family so guess i will end up like my uncle would have if i hadn't given him my plot, in potters field, if there is such a place.

to be honest after i croak i couldn't care less what happens to my remains! it won't matter (obviously) to me! i won't be here so to hell with it all!
 
DrHardee, you posted the truth about the paperwork, I remember getting car titles, a house deed, and our living wills, and final wills when we evacuated for Katrina.

Danemodsandy the links for you, I am not familiar with all his politics, but its a start.

http://www.au.org/
 
I think you'll find...

...stupidity exists everywhere.

I dealt with many, many, many closed minded terrible people in Massachusetts, and somewhat fewer here in Colorado.

It all depends on who you have to deal with on a day to day basis.
 
Other Websites May Help

If you look at the guidelines for the Super Thread,where it says other topics.I think it means other topics for household appliances,not politics nor religion.Perhaps directing folks to other websites that deal with what they are looking for would be helpful.Im sure they are out there.Why not just stick with our appliances and other household help.We already know what other personal leanings people have and its getting to sound like a broken record.Thanks Bobby
 
I wonder if

they're made in China, like everything else they sell.

I one day had to buy a new toilet brush, and the choice at Walmart was between one made in Mexico and one made in China. I chose Mexico because it was closer to the US.
 
Donating a body to medical research is something that takes pre-arranging. They send you forms and once you fill them out and return them, the medical school sends you cards with the notice of donation and the 24 hour phone numbers to call immediately after death. They will take care of the death certificate and other stuff.
 
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