Ok Boys, Start Drooling. Cheverlot Unveils 2010 Camero

[perc-o-prince]

THAT's a Camaro?

Sorry. Last time a Camaro looked really good was the 3rd generation Camaro, to which my 1987 belonged (first gen was still the best). Extremely comfortable ride, driver's-side legroom for days, and power when you needed it. What a car! I'd love to say I wish I had it now, but the arthritis in the knees wouldn't appreciate me! I took that car to 150+k miles. Unheard of as far as I knew! 4th gen went too curvy and sleek.

And someone mentioned the new Mustang? First problem is that it's a Ford (IMHO, sorry Ford lovers). And, the new version is probably the most uncomfortable car I've driven in recent memory. I'm sure the original Mustang was much better.

Chuck (mine had the plain hood, not like the one below)

 

[frigilux]

Chuck--- You had a 3rd Gen., too? They were great Camaro's, weren't they? Mine was a little darker than this and had gold rather than silver ground effects. Sigh. I'd feel self-conscious driving it now, but back when I was in my mid 20's...

 

[perc-o-prince]

Hey Gene,

What a great car! Mine was red w/ camel interior. Nothing special like Z or Iroc, but Rich's parent's bought me aftermarket louvers for the rear window for Christmas. I loved that car! Amazing how much room they had inside!

Chuck

 

[jeffg]

> And someone mentioned the new Mustang? First problem is that it's a Ford (IMHO, sorry Ford lovers). And, the new version is probably the most uncomfortable car I've driven in recent memory. I'm sure the original Mustang was much better.

Mustang bucket seats have never been a good fit for tall and/or large people. But the new version actually has more front leg, shoulder and headroom than the original. Hips are out of luck.

2008:

Internal dimensions:
Front headroom (inches): 38.6
Rear headroom (inches): 34.7
Front hip room (inches): 53.6
Rear hip room (inches): 46.8
Front leg room (inches): 42.7
Rear leg room (inches): 30.3
Front shoulder room (inches): 55.4
Rear shoulder room (inches): 53.4

1965:

Internal dimensions:
Front headroom (inches): 37.0
Rear headroom (inches): 35.6
Front hip room (inches): 54.7
Rear hip room (inches): 50.9
Front leg room (inches): 41.8
Rear leg room (inches): 29.7
Front shoulder room (inches): 53.8
Rear shoulder room (inches): 53.9

 

[countryford]

eh

I've never been a big fan of GM, especially chevys. Never had good luck with them. And I can't stand when they try to bring back cars that claim to have the "retro" look. I think they look ugly. I'll just continue to drive my 1974 Gran Torino. 15mpgs, $80 a gas tank for one week.

 

[sudsmaster]

While the new Camaro is not unattractive, I don't see much in it that harkens back to the classic Camaros of old. Unless the camera lens is lying, it looks rather truncated and tall. I agree that the new Dodge Challenger is far more faithful to its roots and better looking as well.

But my next dream car will get 50 mpg.

BTW, saw a Smart car fortwo on the freeway this afternoon. It was easily slipping in and out of lanes to get through the usual gridlock. Quite fetching all in black. The rear suspension looked a bit odd, though. The wheels were splayed out slightly, like old VW's.

 

[gewa1054wguy]

Industry folks

As someone who works in the automotive industry, these threads never fail to provide a chuckle. I am amazed how much people know about cars and the auto industry, from the likes of Washington State, Arizona, even Australia. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and everyone has them like... well...

The bottom line folks, if those of us who live in the US and Canada don't step up and support the companies who were the arsenal of democracy and employ 1 out of every 7 folks here in the US from suppliers to dealers, and the workers at Ford, Chrysler or GM plants or HQ, then we will be at an even greater mercy to foreign governments like China and Saudi Arabia. Billions of dollars are going to these two countries alone, and they are not really our friends!

And think before you reply that they build Honda's and Toyota's in the US. They do, but those folks get paid less than their UAW brother's and sisters and the profit goes back to the mother country.

I will stop here, because even though I live and breathe this industry almost every day, someone here will know more than I do and will surely feel the need to share with everyone that they do.

 

[jeffg]

Thanks for the laugh. If we had any chance of saving our manufacturing base, the "buy American" campaign would have started nearly 30 years ago. It's a little late to show up now in a cheerleading outfit. The game's been over since 1980.

GM and Ford are dying remnants of a pre-globalized world (Ford lost $13 billion in '06 and another $3 billion on '07). Even if by some miracle they returned to profitability, U.S. stockholders would still sell these two companies down the river. I'll be amazed if either company is around in 10 years.

Except for "national defense" (i.e. our military-industrial complex), our government isn't going to lift a finger to stop us from becoming a nation of 300 million hamburger flippers.

http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/international-affairs/exon-florio/

 

[frigilux]

300 million burger flippers....and personal fitness trainers!

 

[andrewinorlando]

Is it my imagination, or does the new Camaro look like a new Mustang???

 

[frigilux]

Andrew---Let's find out! Here's a 2009 Mustang.

 

[frigilux]

And here's a 2010 Camaro

 

[perc-o-prince]

but those folks get paid less than their UAW brother's a

"Those folks" probably get paid what they're worth...... (finish that sentence how you like).

Chuck

 

[foraloysius]

To me there is more similarity to a Dodge Challenger than a Ford Mustang.

 

[foraloysius]

That should be

To me there is more similarity to a Dodge Challenger than to a Ford Mustang.

 

[andrewinorlando]

Still looks like a mustang to me! Cookie cutters in action!!