OMG! When did GE make Poppy RED?!!?

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- It does look real. Hmmm. If it's a paint job, the photos certainly make it look good.

I wonder if GE had some kind of special-order programme? Maybe official, maybe "preferred" or VIP customers only. Luxury carmakers like Cadillac and Lincoln and Imperial used to do some of that back in the '50s- if you were some kind of big shot, you could get stuff that wasn't catalogued, like special paint jobs and trim.
 
The whole Kitchen...

When we bought an 18th century house two years ago we realized the detached kitchen had been moved up and attached to the house. That was in 1910. Sometime in the mid 20th century the kitchen got a make over and they painted the entire kitchen poppy red to match appliances.

The kitchen had metal cabinets and the ghostline of appliances. I ripped up about 7 to 12 layers (I lost count) of various flooring materials from the 60's and 70's.

The house had been in the same family since 1811. When some family members of the previous owners came by for a visit they were a bit taken back. I put the kitchen back to 1910 in appearance, except for the stove and "icebox".

The family had some real trouble dealing with the fact I had taken out the "Poppy Red Kitchen".

They are glad we saved the house (it was vacant for a 12 years) but they were not happy we removed the "modern" look of the kitchen.

I understand the concerns but...the kitchen sink metal cabinet was rusted out and had holes in it, the plumbing had fallen in and no insurance company would consider the house (I ended up with Lloyds of London).

Neighbors still stop by from time to time and tell me about the great red kitchen in the house. Apparently it was quite the modern thing in it's day. By the time I bought the house all that was left were some fragments of the metal cabinets and the red paint on the trim. And a ton of dust and dirt.

I will see if I have any pics of the house on the day we closed. I took alot since I knew we would be changing many things as we restored the place.
 
poppy red

I used to have the Touch N Cook range,Custom Imperial 3 door side by side refrigerator freezer,Built in Custom Imperial dishwasher,trash compactor,and Custom Imperial 3 speed washer with the matching dryer all in poppy.The washer had the window lid and both washer and dryer had a lited control panel.They were being tosed out at a used appliance dealership(Sunrise Appliance) in Ft.Lauderdale,Fl.I almost had an accident on my bicycle when I saw the red refrigerator from the road I was on.But when I went there and saw the other pieces that were hidden by the refrigerator,I almost died of shock.David,the owner,told me they worked and he was getting rid of them because he knew nobody would want them???? I got a friend to help me pick them up.The owner of the house I was renting gave me $1200 for them when I moved.
 
GE's red was much more a fire engine red than Poppy. A friend had this 30 inch TOL range with the wide keyboard buttons for the surface units and the oven settings. The two dials by the clock are the oven temp and Sensi-Temp dials. The stove is newer than 1957, more like 1960, because in 57 they did not have the 4",6", 8" and Grill selections for the 8 inch Sensi-Temp element and it was not even called Sensi-Temp in 57. The inner liner of the oven door is chrome. It's a beautiful range. I used it a lot when I cooked for her children.
 
The RED kitchen

I found one of the pics of the kitchen the way it was when I bought the house. A neighbor told me the appliances were red also. I had my doubts about that but now I see she was right. I gutted the room completely except for the floor and outside walls. I am returning the kitchen much to the way it looked in 1910 when it was moved up and attached to the house. I would like to find some vintage appliances evenually. Right now I am getting by with second hand fridge and a simple range until I find what I want. Suggestions welcome.

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Condition

Sorry for the blurry pics. This is the other side of the red kitchen, me changing the locks the day I closed on the place. I wonder....I think I might have been temped to keep the kitchen as mid 20th century had the appliances been in place. Note the peeling paint on the door going out, -it was in better shape than most of the other exterior doors! At any rate now that I have found this site I know I can get good advise as I bring the kitchen back to life.

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Greg:

As much as the members of that family might have wanted to see their memories kept intact, that kitchen wasn't any great loss. I see some very ordinary cabinets, a badly outdated steel sink unit, and a lot of disrepair. At its very best, with all its appliances in place, it wouldn't have been up to today's standards of functionality, appearance, or code.

You're doing the right thing.
 
Amen.

I remember a beautiful kitchen in Fairfield county that was featured in one of the big 3 "house" magazines in the late '60's. The cabinets were made by Muetschler (remember them?) and there were 7 or 8 big-coil Frigidaire burners installed in a stainless top counter. That red can be reproduced in many different cabinets and kitchens. Even Phyllis did it:

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Updating

Sandy,

Thanks for you insight. I wanted to show you and the folks what I am doing in the kitchen. You can still see some traces of the poppy red kitchen, this is a work in progress and I welcome any ideas, suggestions etc..

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Finally...

A shot from the dinning room looking into the kitchen, a lot of work yet to do....

I am in hopes of adding some mid 20th century items. Thanks for any input. A popper red hand mixer or blender might add some interest.

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Greg:

If you would like a "look" that will bridge your early 20th-Century house and your Mid-Century interest, I have a suggestion.

Postwar appliances, with their rounded edges and bulletproof construction, would be a good start. Either GE or Frigidaire major appliances from the late 1940s/early 1950s would be what I'm talking about; the Frigidaire appliances of that period have the advantage of having been styled by no less than Raymond Loewy.

Your tile countertops appear to be dark green in the photos (at least on my kerosine-burning computer's monitor, LOL). That was a popular counter colour in the postwar era.

Armstrong's Excelon floor tile is extremely similar in appearance to the vinyl-asbestos tile commonly seen in the postwar period (without the asbestos, naturally). My grandmother's kitchen had white Youngstown Kitchens metal cabinets, red Formica countertops with metal edging, and a checkerboard floor of black-and-white vinyl-asbestos tile. Her kitchen curtains were red-and-white checked gingham. I cannot remember the make of her stove, but the fridge was a rounded-top Philco. It was a great postwar look, a little bit country and a little bit '50s rock 'n roll. I do think you're headed more in a country direction, though. For your kitchen, there are several greens available in Excelon, to coordinate with your counters, or you could also do ceramic tile on the floor if your flooring joists are up to the load.

Also, I write for two magazines that may be a good resource for you; they are Old House Interiors and Arts & Crafts Interiors. Unlike most "old house" magazines, which stick strictly to foofy Victorian looks, these two will sometimes touch on the Deco and Mid-Century periods, and have shown some kitchens with postwar looks.

I notice that your walls are plywood. What's your plan for them?
 
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Thanks for your input. The tiles are beige, the walls are an exterior grade board used for a board and batton look. The kitchen was constructed just after the civil war and moved up and attached in 1910 when eletricity was installed. The house was built in 1797 and retains all original interiors except the kitchen and bath. I am sort of at a standstill about finishing the walls. I would like some post WWII applainces and that is the hold up, -trying to figure out how to pull it all togeather. The dinning room has a large fireplace and is pure Georgian in appointments and feel (1770's chippendale furniture). The entire house is furnished with period antiques. That's what makes the kitchen a big deal on what I do with it. I was heading down a path to give it the early appearance and want to make it look like it evolved from 1910 (when it as added to the house) forward. Taking out the poppy red kitchen and putting the old sink back in was a restoration of sorts. I know it was there (in that spot and size) from a ghost line on the wall when I pulled down the sheetrock, I gound an odd combination of victorian beadboard and wide boards. The current sheet board mimics that look. I had to take the original boards down for plumbing and wiring and they were not in condition to be re-used. The cabinets are also recreated from a ghostline found on the wall. The bakers table was a gift from the previous family that owned the house (in the same family since 1811 until I bought it). So it was there in 1910. Do you see why I wanted to keep some sort of connection to 1910? What to do, what to do?
 
Suggestion, Greg:

This is going to sound absolutely ka-razy, but please bear with me. What you're trying to do is to blend country, Federalist, and postwar modern elements all into one area. Well, it has been done, and here's where you can see it:

White Christmas. Yep, that old movie with Bing Crosby, Danny Kaye, Rosemary Clooney, and Vera-Ellen. Late in the movie, when the General is having problems filling up his inn due to a lack of snow, most of the scenes are set inside the inn. At several points, there's a kitchen shown, with postwar appliances (it's not anything like big enough to service the mammoth hotel-sized dining room they show, but that's Hollywood for ya). You'll see all three of the elements you're trying to work with in that kitchen and the rooms adjoining it. While you should not take what you see as something to copy literally, I think you'll see that those formal/informal elements can mix just fine.

I suggest getting the DVD from Netflix or somewhere, and giving the movie a look. Maybe you'll fall asleep, counting your blessings... :-)
 
I agree that you shouldn't feel guilty about ripping out the red kitchen, for all the reasons cited above. Interesting that your research indicated the original kitchen sink was cornered. That seems like such a 60's or 70's thing to do--who knew?

Personally, I think you can even go pre-war with at least the stove. When I lived as a caretaker in a house built in 1936 which was all original and very upscale for its time (well, it still is as it's in a very high end neighborhood) it occurred to me that by the mid to late 30's, you could design and build a kitchen with nearly all of the modern conveniences found today (maybe they even made trash mashers back then--somebody here would know if they did). In this kitchen there was a beautiful Wedgewood trash & gas stove in cream with orange-red trim. It could do everything a modern range could do (except clean its own oven) and more, when you consider it would also burn trash or even wood--a very 1910 sort of characteristic. Powerful burners on an iron cooktop that you could keep entirely smooth if you wanted, and a thermostatically controlled oven. The design was typical of Wedgewoods from that era and it did have legs, but they were much more understated than legs on stoves from the 20's and earlier 30's. Easy to clean under. This type of stove may have enough of the design touches you're looking for in a post-war model, and they do show up even on Craig's List once in a while.

I think you might get closer to the old time feel you're trying to achieve if you went with an older stove like this. Your big cave-ins to modernity would be the fridge and dishwasher, if you decide to install one. But with some searching and help from AW members I'll bet you could find something like a GE combo fridge (or even a similar looking frostless model) and a sturdy old KA dishwasher.

Really when you get down to it, as long as the appliance has that timeless sort of quality and design, the vintage doesn't matter much, even if you went 60's on some things. And one thing to consider is that a 1910 vintage kitchen wouldn't likely have everything matching so that makes your job a lot easier. Find what you like and slap it in there!

Ralph
 
Another thread

I appreciate the last two posts. They are very informative and insightful. Great information. I think I should post a new thread to show respect for this one and gather information on my specific question.

I have really enjoyed this dialog from the start. What a great community!
 
Phone...

Jim, Unfortunately the wall phone was in pretty bad shape. I gave it to a friend that repairs old telephones for parts so at least it was not wasted. I do have a few old ones, my favorite being one from 1928 that looks like the one from Col. Klinks' office in Hogans Hero's. Right now I have opted out of a land line and just use the cell. With changing technology some of our older things like dial phones and vintage televisions are going to be hard to hold onto for everyday use. Good spotting, you must be a telephone guy as well as AW guy.
 
Using Your Old Phones

Greg,

If you are hesitating on getting a land line installed due to your local telco not supporting rotary dial anymore (I hear this is the case in some parts of the country) you can get a pulse-to-tone converter via the link below. It's a great resource for phone parts and the prices are reasonable. I got an adapter for my old 202 oval base phone's E1 handset that had a bad original 1931 transmitter. This adapter accommodates the later 302 model's "capsule" or "lozenge" type transmitter and is used with a companion cover piece which allows the old "spit cup" mouthpiece look to be retained. The transmission quality is far superior to the original type used on this handset and has turned my 202 into a viable phone again. The people there are very helpful and will guide you to the right parts for your particular phone.

http://oldphoneworks.com/antique-phone-parts/by-type/index.asp?currency=USD&PhonePartType=138
 
I am looking for a poppy Frigidaire fridge like the one on E

I am looking for a poppy fridge....if anyone could help me it would be appreciated. I know this the wrong message board....I am also looking for a white 1960 Frigidaire Custom Imperial washer...working or not working...ideas? leads? please email me at [email protected] or [email protected]
 
You can also use a modern refrigerator-freezer with the door kit that would allow you to cover it with the same wood as the cabinets. If you went with a built in oven, you could create an enclosure for it in a cabinet with half doors that, when fully opened would slide back into the cabinet on each side of the oven. Years ago, before you could buy dishwashers that blended seamlessly into the cabinetry, some owners of historic houses hid the dishwasher behind folding shutter-type doors. Granted, they had to be open while the machine was in operation but, usually when dishes were being washed, guests or others who would be impressed by the kitchen's period charm were not present.
 
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