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"The website, cyber-library and discussion forum dedicated to automatic clothes washing machines, dryers and dishwashers, collectors of antique and vintage Automatics, as well as anyone who likes to do laundry and dishes Automatically!"

I dont see a mention of agitators in that statement
 
Oh my, now that really is nitpicking.

The "third" line is a graphic, possibly taken from the control panel of a WCI-58, such as the one animated on the page.

Seems to me that lines 4 through 6 are more relevant to the intended spirit of the site:
<blockquote>The website, cyber-library and discussion forum dedicated to automatic clothes
washing machines, dryers and dishwashers, collectors of antique and vintage
Automatics, as well as anyone who likes to do laundry and dishes Automatically!</blockquote>
Perhaps Robert should comment on this.
 
'We Europeans (and Aussies too) now...'

The three or four Australians, including myself, who participate in this forum are hardly a valid representation of commonly held views or laundry habits of the broader Australian community. Laundry habits in Australia are by and large not European. Whilst front loader sales have increased, top loaders still make up the bulk of sales in this country. Over 80% of Australian households have a top loading washing machine of some discription. Our laundry habits are by and large 'not' European. They are Australian and historically influenced by US technology. We have European immigrants here, who may stick with their European way of doing laundry and people from lots of other backgrounds that do laundry in their particular way.

To all those who may not be aware or unsure, please note that Australia, like the US and Canada, shares a European history, but we are not part of Europe. We are Australians forging our own cultural and national identity quite separate from Europe and America. We may be influenced by and import ideas and technologies/products from abroad, but we generally adopt them to suit our Australian way of life.

regards

rapunzel
 
Agitators indeed!

Goodness! Is there no end to people? So a washing machine has to have an agitator for us to be talking about it, and the rest of us should be eternally grateful that we are allowed to mention anything else. What about those top loaders with impellers could we talk about those?

I have to say I am dissappointed over some of the ugly attitudes that have reared themselves up on this thread. We all live in this world together whether we are from America the land that has it all or the dryest country on earth Australia. If we dont all make a contribution to conserve resources there will be no America or no any other country for that matter. We will all be dead. And all this hoo haa about "choice" over a cheap top loader that no one ever really liked to begin with.
 
> So a washing machine has to have an agitator for us to be talking about it <

Who said that? What I have a problem with is the attitude that front loaders are somehow superior, or inevitabile -- on a website that was founded and exists primarily for the discussion of vintage top loading washing machines.

No America? We will all be dead? Thanks for illustrating my point about Chicken Littles.
 
vintage top loading washing machines

Front loaders can be vintage too.

I look at this website because I like washing machines of all kinds, top and front, twin tubs too. I am also interested to see what people use in other countries around the world.

And it is not Chicken Little syndrome. In Australia we DO have a water shortage that has to be dealt with. Out population is not getting smaller and if we want to enjoy the same quality of life as we do now some hard decisions have to be made now. If not who knows what will get forced on us later on.
 
The statistics have changed for Australia....

Here is and excerpt from the Australian Bureau of Statistics data of Jan 2008 on washing machine ownership (and appliances in general) with the link below.

'Almost all households in Australia had washing machines (97%) (table 5.3). The more energy efficient front loading washing machines were used by 22% of households. This proportion increased from 13% in 2005. The highest proportion of households with front loading washing machines were South Australia and the Australian Capital Territory (28%) (table 5.11).

Since 1994, Australians have used their washing machines less frequently. In 1994, 62% of households in Australia averaged 5 washing machine loads or less per week, and this proportion has increased to 75% in 2008. In the same period, the number of households loading 6 or more loads per week decreased from 38% in 1994 to 25% in 2008 (table 5.12).

The use of cold water in washing machines has been steadily increasing in Australian households, rising from 61% in 1994, to 74% in 2008 (table 5.13)'

Whilst Rapunzel may not be 'spot on' with the stats, he is correct that the majority of people still have top load machines though this is changing rapidly. From the above statistics you can see that since 2005 there has been a 70% increase in the ownership of front load machines (13-22% average). That is a relatively large change in 3yrs. Additionally, I am in the ACT (Canberra) and we have the highest ownership in the country...possibly because we have been on water restrictions since 2004 (and this is WITHOUT any financial incentives). This is about choice. People may have a financial incentive, but they are also taking responcibility for their actions and what happens in the future with resource usage.

I also think that some people may have missed what I have tried to say...

- That we ALL have a responcibility to the environment via our consumption of water, power and waste (sewerage and disposability of appliance)
- That either way cleans (top or front)
- That TIME taken by a machine to perform a function is irrelevant (it GIVES us time regardless)
- That governments have differing ways of influencing behaviours (I prefer ours to the USA...at this point in time, we still have a choice when buying new, the choice for Americans is being restricted by legislation on manufacturing which does make me wonder how much choice you really have)
- I (and most Australians and MANY Americans) live with water restrictions
- That we have consideration for the impact we cause not only today, but down the chain.
- That this issue is bigger and more important than the effect on your back pocket (it isn't ALWAYS about how much you save by using less)

Ultimately, the tide is turning on consumption. 'Because we can' is no longer a good or moral reason to use something long term. Everywhere you look there are people, manufacturers and elected officials trying to make us use less. Less petrol, less power, less water to create less waste and recycle more rather than send it to land fill.

When it all boils down to it, I don't begrudge anyone using an appliance appropriately (you define it!) be it vintage or new. What I do begrudge is the 'don't give a toss' attitude that some people exhibit when responding to others and that includes deriding your elected officials. If people don't like what is happening in their oun country, they should lobby those responcible for making the changes. If you can't be bothered voting and having a say with your vote or writing a letter to a local member, then your criticism and moans fall on deaf ears no matter how valid they are.

And finally, a particularly inspirational man once said 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country'

We could all learn a lot from that.....

 
'In Australia we DO have a water shortage'

That depends on where in Australia you are. Precipitation is subject to regional and cyclical variations, drought and flood cycles. Australia is by far 'not' the dryest continent in the world. Antarctica still holds that crown.

Water shortages in many urbanized parts of this country have more to do with politics, water allocation policies and current infrastructure than actual rainfall. Over the last 12 months NSW had more rainfall in many areas than we can poke a stick at. There is plenty to go around, it is just not being captured and managed correctly.

On the national level 80% of our pottable water is used up by farming, industry and business. Only 20% is used for domestic purposes. Out of that 20% an average of 15% is used for laundry. Yet, it is the domestic sector that is being held to disproportionate account over water consumption and expected to fund the bulk of largely questionable government initiatives and management programs. Thus, getting people to switch from top to front loaders does not constitute a real fix in the short and even long term. The amount of funding that is allocated to current appliance rebate schemes, government propaganda and consumer re-education programs is actually contributing to the 'waste'.

cheers

rapunzel
 
Rapunzel

Oh I am only too aware that water is being wasted by business, and that home use is only a fraction. Still I hate to waste water. I collect the water that is sitting in dishes and put it in the garden. I hate it when I see that people still hose their concrete driveways. I once had a flatmate who would spend over 30 minutes in the shower.

Afterall, if we are going to be rationed off on water use like in Brisbane and Melbourne, we need to make the best use of it.
 
Rapunzel

You are correct. Most usage (and waste) comes from industry and it are the elected officals both State and Federal who have failed all of us over the past 30yrs by not investing enough in water infrastructure.

...then we have the other lobbys that prevent the infrastructure from being built because of sensitivity to environment, endangered species et.al.

So the easiest short term solution is to change consumer usage with the carrot and stick approach which is what most State Governments are doing. Rebate for going efficient and stick with higher prices to discourage 'excessive' use.

Now if we could just build dams where all the rain seems to fall these days, we would at least reduce one problem.
 
Getting back to washing machines...

If agitator top-loaders become unavailable in the US, what'll be the alternative for people who have to replace one of those 24" "laundry centers", with a little agitator tub on the bottom and a dryer on top? One answer would be a compact dryer stacked on top of a compact FL washer. But I don't know how well this would work for my relative who has one of those laundry centers -- He's on the second floor of a pretty rickety condo building, and the FL vibration could be a problem. Maybe Whirlpool or GE will come out with an HE TL based 24" laundry center? Or maybe the laundry centers will get an exemption.
 
What I have a problem with is the attitude that front loader

Well in terms of water and energy consumption they are superior.

If energy and water resources continue to be depleated as they are, they will be inevitable too.

Some of the claims made here are rediculous.

I suppose I should just feel honoured that I am allowed to discuss my "inferior" front loader here.

I'm sure toploaders do a very good job, just as front loaders do, but it is undeniable that they use much more water and energy to do so, and that this is a drawback, not a positive.

Wasting rescourses is NOT a choice, its something we must all try to do. I don't see the problem with the government getting rid of modern toploaders, they have introduced an alternative which does the job using far fewer resources and are therefore phasing out the older technology.

It's not as if they are coming into your homes and hauling your older top loaders away. Then I would understand all this fuss about it.

Matt
 
Using civilwater to drink and rain to wash?

Maybe you guys are just a bit spoiled by getting cheap water right from the tap. Well I can say we aren't. Water is expensive, so restricting or not, there are easy ways to get it cheap. Rain, water that falls from heaven, is FREE at some point. It's good enough to flush toilets, water lawns, and do the laundry. If you count the savings you make by collecting it and pumping it up, you would be amazed! For those who still want toploaders, ever checked the SUDS/RINSE save options? I mean wash water form the first load is perfect for prewashing, soaking heavy soiled stuff. Rinsewater can be the washwater for next load. Think about it...
 
Wasting rescourses is NOT a choice, its something we must al

...er...Matt, I think you meant was

'Wasting resources is NOT a choice, it is something we must all try NOT to do.
 
LOL.....

S'alright mate, we're watching you type...even though I just fell asleep on the lounge and my throat hurts - must have been snorning....

Me, snore? HA!
 
Ever checked the Suds / Rinse Save option?

Askomiele,

You make one VERY valid point. Almost EVERY top loader in Australia had a Suds Save facility up until the early 1990's, now only a couple of machines offer it as an option.

I currently use a top loader but re-use the clear rinse water for the next load, therefore saving on water.

But, if i'm not mistaken, not many machines on the US market had this option which is a pity. While i prefer a top loader, even i have to concede i will have to get a more efficient front loader in the not too distant future.

Leon
 
toploader1984

I have a tankless water heater and I installed it by myself.

Installation is incredibly easy. I did it in less than 15 minutes.

In your case, i bet you would take a little more because you have to remove the old heater or, if you have enough space, just install the new heater next to the older, install it in line, after the tank and just let the tank off.

If you want, i can help you my email or msn.

the only tools you'll need are a drill, some hoses, teflon tape and a pipe wrench.
 

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