Oprah Friday: destroying a vintage kitchen

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Uggh is right!

I thought the blue cabinets were the before picture.
Yuck! the only thing worse would be a blue counter top.
Ever cut raw meat on a blue counter?
It makes you green around the gills.
If she painted out the cupboards in white it wouldn't be so bad.
I am a painter by trade and that is one ugly kitchen.
There is a nice floor and appliances, get a can of white paint!
 
Are blueberries actually blue?

~Ever cut raw meat on a blue counter?
It makes you green around the gills.

Please explain.

I do know this:
Blue for the most part is not a good kitchen color, it is a HUGE turn-off and appetite suppressant. No food is naturally blue colored for the most part.
 
Why all the hate?

Why all the hate? That is one crappy kitchen, I'd gut it ASAP. Looks like typical cheapy mid 60's cabinets, we had some IXLs of that vintage and there was nothing quality about them. The layout in the picture looks like it would be hell to work in, plus I don't see much counter space.

There are some things worth saving and there are things that are not, why hold on to a poorly designed kitchen with nondescript cabinets? There's nothing of value there.
 
That kitchen looks more battleship gray than blue to me anyway. You are right about thos e HGTV remodels. Lots of them can run upwards of $30K. Who can afford that these days.
A freind of ours had an "Early American" kitchen in a early 70's house he bought. He just took a jigsaw and cut off all the early american foo foo trim and installed Mexican tile floors and Corian countertops along with SS appliances. Looked fantastic. He sold the house several months later and recovered everybit of the $8K he put into it. BTW, there was some designer on one of those HGTV kitchen shows that saw a kitchen with Corian counter tops. He sniffed "Oh, those are just SOOOOO middle class!" Duh!
So you may not need to ripa kitchen out completely, just modify what you have.
Yes, I am positive that those were GE P7 ovens, and you are right nothing self cleaned as good as those!
 
~There are some things worth saving and there are things that are not, why hold on to a poorly designed kitchen with nondescript cabinets? There's nothing of value there.

Agreed. It appears to have have neither the quality, charm, fung-shui, classic design/proportions, ergonomics or other overwhelming redeeming social value.

However a double electric self-cleaning wall oven without electronic controls, now THAT is a keeper!
 
If Corian is "middle class" than I must be trailer trash! :-)

While our house has tile counters (original to the kitchen) I would do Formica counters and a linoleum floor if I were to remodel. They're cheap and cheerful, easy to clean, easy on dishes and glassware, easy on a cook's back, and easy to replace when you get tired of them. The place I'd splurge would be the appliances.
 
It's things like this that destroy the character of vintage houses.

As some of you may know I bought a 1958 rancher last September that was thoroughly vintage as of last June. Unfortunately it was flipped, now instead of the beautiful beautiful vintage bathroom (like the cookie cutter neighbor's house has), I have this crappy cheap modern green 1 foot by 1 foot tile. I think it's (explative deledted) ugly. The same tile is on the kitchen floor taking out the b/w tile, and they took out part of the cabinets to put in a standard oven (which looks bad), instead of the built in stove/oven. I still have the hole for the oven, they didn't even bother to put a cabinet door there. The countertops are cheap formica blue, instead of the 50's yellow metalic. I need to take some pics to post here. When I finally get this joint cleaned up.

At the same time, it was done half cocked, the origional windows are still here (for the most part) and majority of the cabinets. There is a late 50s kenmore stove hooked up in the garauge (the owners used to can vegitables and make jellies out there). Even found some of the origional owners china in the attic. I love the fact that these are still here.

I am very disappointed in the remodel, and when I think of all the extra money I spent to buy the house, because of this mess, and how much time and effort it will cost to turn it back, it just makes me sick. If it hadn't been in such a good neighborhood I would never have bought it to begin with.

oh well
 
I have mixed feelings about kitchen remodels.

My current house was built in 1941. The kitchen was remodeled in the 70's. Out went the stand alone gas stove, old fridge, etc. I can see from other homes on the block what the original kitchen must have looked like: small (4x4) ceramic tile counters, with little end of counter rounded knick knack shelving, darker tile trim around the edges, etc. I can tell where the old gas range must have been from the remnants of the flue in the attic.

The remodelers tore down a wall between the kitchen and what must have been the mud room. In its place they extended the counter to be a peninsula; this is where the fridge probably once resided. On the peninsula they put an electric smoothtop (vintage Corning). Where the range once sat, they put in a full size fridge alcove and beside it, built-in cabinetry housing a P-7 wall oven. The cabinetry is of moderately good quality, no particle board, all plywood and birch veneer. So they did that right. And of course the oven is good as well. A bit on the small side by today's standards (24"), but still works perfectly. However I'd rather have an old Wedgewood gas range instead of the drop-in cooktop (which I replaced with a gas unit).

All the appliances were late 70's harvest gold, which I really dislike. I've replaced them with black or stainless - the one 70's remnant is the harvest gold range hood over the peninsula. I want to take it down and paint it glossy black or maybe faux stainless at some point, but it will be a bit of a chore. I found a stainless P-7 oven on Craigslist, and swapped out the stainless door panel for the harvest gold one the oven came with. Looks much better next to the stainless fridge. However, overall, I'd probably prefer the original '41 kitchen. OK, the wall oven is nice, I like that part.
 
I was sorry that the kitchen was remodeled. I live in a 1940's rancher in San Francisco with a kitchen remodeled in 1966 with turquoise appliances. Gradually as the refrigerator and dishwasher wore out, they were replaced with energy efficient models. I'm still using the Tappan gas 33" gas cooktop and 24" gas oven and only recently replaced the turquoise Nutone exhaust hood with a new Vent-A-Hood which was a marked improvement. The cabinets were birch and built in place and not stock cabinets. The formica was custom to the kitchen which coved up to the wall cabinets and is still shiny after all these years. It's workable and still serves me well. I guess if I ever sold the house I would have to remodel to appeal to the new owners. The house across from me just sold for $1.4 million with the original kitchen and the new owners are now ripping out the old kitchen.
 
Another problem with a lot of these "flip this house" and makeover promotions is that they don't seem to address the underlying problems that may be lurking. A mod new kitchen looks nice, but if they are hooking it all up to rotting plumbing and antiquated wiring, that doesn't bode well for the future.

I deal with a slumlord in my district who is always buying postwar houses and "redoing" the kitchens, and then calling me when the electrical service falls off the house.
 
Taped the Oprah show and watched it last night.

Wow, although I hate to see the vintage appliances go, Nate did an awesome job on that kitchen. (just for the record, he could share space here anytime he chooses...)

It amazes me how quickly they can get projects like this one completed. If you hire someone, it may take months to get a job like that completed. I wonder how projects like these will stand the test of time. Extreme Makeover is one of my favorite shows as well, Ty and his group have done some pretty amazing projects, but I can't help but wonder how well these homes and projects are actually built. Two weeks really is not even enough time for concrete to properly cure...

Morgan
 
I wonder that too

I would think that a house that was built start to finish in two weeks wouldn't be very healthy to live in.
I would think there would be a tremendous amount of gas being given off by everything. The paint, carpeting, furniture.
I wonder how many people have sore throats and headaches?
I would also think there would be alot of little cracks showing up in the walls as everything dries out and settles.
 
My two sense..........

We all know that the older vintage appliances we love and trust are lots of work but we can only hope that older design philosophies and techniques come back to the fore. I'm not talking about alot of this retro stuff that has been out. It's quaint but most of it seems to be an exaggeration or a parody of 50's Modern or Art Deco. It's up to all of us club members to educate the public that keeping older and more reliable appliances is worth it and our homes would not look so white, plain and sanitary. Throw some Pank in there!
 
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