Oral Roberts University Scandal

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maggie~hamilton

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The "religious" scandals are flying so fast that you can't even keep up with them anymore.

Per the latest ... I've never been able to get past the name ORAL.

He's really creepy.

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Scandal Brewing at Oral Roberts
Saturday, October 06, 2007
By JUSTIN JUOZAPAVICIUS, Associated Press Writer

TULSA, Okla. — Twenty years ago, televangelist Oral Roberts said he was reading a spy novel when God appeared to him and told him to raise $8 million for Roberts' university, or else he would be "called home."

Now, his son, Oral Roberts University President Richard Roberts, says God is speaking again, telling him to deny lurid allegations in a lawsuit that threatens to engulf this 44-year-old Bible Belt college in scandal.

Richard Roberts is accused of illegal involvement in a local political campaign and lavish spending at donors' expense, including numerous home remodeling projects, use of the university jet for his daughter's senior trip to the Bahamas, and a red Mercedes convertible and a Lexus SUV for his wife, Lindsay.

She is accused of dropping tens of thousands of dollars on clothes, awarding nonacademic scholarships to friends of her children and sending scores of text messages on university-issued cell phones to people described in the lawsuit as "underage males."

At a chapel service this week on the 5,300-student campus known for its 60-foot-tall bronze sculpture of praying hands, Roberts said God told him: "We live in a litigious society. Anyone can get mad and file a lawsuit against another person whether they have a legitimate case or not. This lawsuit ... is about intimidation, blackmail and extortion."

San Antonio televangelist John Hagee, a member of the ORU board of regents, said the university's executive board "is conducting a full and thorough investigation."

Colleagues fear for the reputation of the university and the future of the Roberts' ministry, which grew from Southern tent revivals to one of the most successful evangelical empires in the country, hauling in tens of millions of dollars in contributions a year. The university reported nearly $76 million in revenue in 2005, according to the IRS.

Oral Roberts is 89 and lives in California. He holds the title of chancellor, but the university describes him as semi-retired, and his son presides over day-to-day operations on the campus, which had a modern, space-age design when it was built in the early 1960s but now looks dated, like Disney's Tomorrowland.

Cornell Cross II, a senior from Burlington, Vt., said he is looking to transfer to another school because the scandal has "severely devalued and hurt the reputation of my degree."

"We have asked and asked and asked to see the finances of our school and what they're doing with our money, and we've been told no," said, Cross who is majoring in government. "Now we know why. As a student, I'm not going to stand for it any longer."

The allegations are contained in a lawsuit filed Tuesday by three former professors. They sued ORU and Roberts, alleging they were wrongfully dismissed after reporting the school's involvement in a local political race.

Richard Roberts, according to the suit, asked a professor in 2005 to use his students and university resources to aid a county commissioner's bid for Tulsa mayor. Such involvement would violate state and federal law because of the university's nonprofit status. Up to 50 students are alleged to have worked on the campaign.

The professors also said their dismissals came after they turned over to the board of regents a copy of a report documenting moral and ethical lapses on the part of Roberts and his family. The internal document was prepared by Stephanie Cantese, Richard Roberts' sister-in-law, according to the lawsuit.

An ORU student repairing Cantese's laptop discovered the document and later provided a copy to one of the professors.

It details dozens of alleged instances of misconduct. Among them:

_ A longtime maintenance employee was fired so that an underage male friend of Mrs. Roberts could have his position.

_ Mrs. Roberts _ who is a member of the board of regents and is referred to as ORU's "first lady" on the university's Web site _ frequently had cell-phone bills of more than $800 per month, with hundreds of text messages sent between 1 a.m. to 3 a.m. to "underage males who had been provided phones at university expense."

_ The university jet was used to take one daughter and several friends on a senior trip to Orlando, Fla., and the Bahamas. The $29,411 trip was billed to the ministry as an "evangelistic function of the president."

_ Mrs. Roberts spent more than $39,000 at one Chico's clothing store alone in less than a year, and had other accounts in Texas and California. She also repeatedly said, "As long as I wear it once on TV, we can charge it off." The document cites inconsistencies in clothing purchases and actual usage on TV.

_ Mrs. Roberts was given a white Lexus SUV and a red Mercedes convertible by ministry donors.

_ University and ministry employees are regularly summoned to the Roberts' home to do the daughters' homework.

_ The university and ministry maintain a stable of horses for exclusive use by the Roberts' children.

_ The Roberts' home has been remodeled 11 times in the past 14 years.

Tim Brooker, one of the professors who sued, said he fears for the university's survival if certain changes aren't made.

"All over that campus, there are signs up that say, `And God said, build me a university, build it on my authority, and build it on the Holy Spirit,'" Brooker said. "Unfortunately, ownership has shifted."


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Let Him Be HEALLLLLLLLED!!!!!!

This guy was either based in Detroit or there a lot of the time when I was growing up. He graduated from tent revivals to using a former movie theater (the Liberty, on Seven Mile near Oakland, across the street from the Lincoln branch library) which became the Liberty Temple church. It seemed like he got TV coverage whenever he wanted it. We Catholics were forbidden to participate in rival denomination's services, so we always watched furtively, ready to switch the channel if our mother came in. Oral put on quite a show.
 
He looks like a Big Fag to me, and so does his son.

What on earth is wrong with these people?

I don't mean it's wrong that they are probably gay (PLEASE: can we talk: look at that big old queen), but that they are so incomprehensibly devious and hypocritical. And why all the shopping sprees etc.? That does not sound like humility, does it.


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Said . . . "What on earth is wrong with these people?&q

It's funny how just about everyone and everything is accepted here in Applianceland with the exception of Christians. I guess even those who proclaim to be the most tolerant and accepting are still intolerant and prejudiced themselves in some ways.

Sincerely,

One of "these people" (The quiet one in the back who likes to come in here and chat about appliances and all things related.)
 
Westtexman, you astonish me.

Christians, both on this board and in this country in general, are overwhelmingly tolerated. In fact, "tolerated" is a vast understatement.

In reading the threads on this board, I'm actually a bit surprised by the preponderance of (primarily christian) religious members. Many of the participants here not only claim to be religious, but are fairly active in their churches.

However, to call yourself 'christian,' or to call yourself religious at all is a very different thing from actually BEING what you claim to be.

It's not religious people who are being attacked in threads like this, it's hypocrites. And hypocrites can hold any religious beliefs (or not).

Stop playing the victim -- You're still part of the vast majority, and you still derive more benefits than you deserve from your religious affiliations.

Before you get all bent out of shape after reading that last comment, remember that a recent poll listed athiests as being the group that Americans trust least. Even below the dreaded homosexuals.

-kevin
 
Well said, Kevin!

I hope nobody is taking offense at comments that might be made on this forum - unless they are guilty of the hypocrisy like those in the article or others that have been mentioned here. I have all the tolerance in the world for allowing everyone to believe as they wish and practice their beliefs as they choose. As long as it doesn't intrude into my "dance-space" or do any harm; live and let live.

Perhaps some of the disdain in the comments here comes not from hatred or intolerance, but from actual experience of being scorned, looked down upon with pity and disgust, let alone the constant din of hatred from their government and elected representatives who also claim to be "devout".

I read the other day that a poll of college students around the country revealed that almost a quarter identified themselves as atheists.
 
For the record, I am a Christian. That's no big secret, certainly.

What I am =NOT= -- to the best of my ability -- is a hypocrite. I don't hide in a closet and pretend to be some phony-baloney "family man," piously spewing out anti-gay rhetoric all the while spending every spare minute I can steal away from the Missus and Brats to go tap-dancing in public toilets.

And, yes, I do feel angry about those who do lead these double lives, because their deceptions and fraudulent morality directly impact me and my rights and freedoms -- or, rather, lack thereof.

I'd say that Oral Roberts ET AL are about as much "Christians" as they are "moral leaders." It's all a load of hooey, a big act put on for ONE reason: ALLLLLLL that dough they're raking in on their Hillbilly Hootenanny "churches" and TV shows. White Trash gone money-mad.
 
Bryan,

I grew up in a 'Christian' home. I have the deepest respect for people who work for such organizations as the Salvation Army.
Unfortunately, a very loud, very vocal and very hateful minority of (predominately) US-American Christians have made life for homosexuals a living hell.
Many folks, myself included, have taking to calling such people 'christianists' in order to distinguish them from Christians.
My understanding of Christianity is quite different from the approach of such people. I was taught that we are saved by the grace of God through Jesus Christ. This salvation is personal and based on grace not on our own 'worthiness'.
All sins are repugnant in the eyes of God, not just those which happen to be currently unpopular in the eyes of certain people.
It is by our fruits of the spirit that we shall be known...
And so on.
The approach of such christianists as Oral Roberts, David Vitter, etc. et al. however has been:
-Just proclaim that you have once accepted Jesus into your heart and you may treat others however you like.
-Never mind that Jesus denies the possibility of divorce; forget all the commandments and strictures of the old testament
-Only those 'sins' which fit into the conservative US-American agenda are truly unforgivable (women deciding for themselves what to do with their own bodies, people loving others of their own sex). Other 'sins' don't count or are of lesser rank!

The 'persecution' I imply from your comments is, to be honest, just not apparant to me. I am highly tolerant of and indeed welcome people who express their Christian values by living a life of grace through their good works. I have no patience with people who focus their 'Christianity' on hatefulness and divisiveness. Assuming that the basic premiss of salvation through grace is correct, just imagine how it must be to die, meet the creator and have him ask why one drove so many souls away from him through one's hateful rejection of them.
Quite frankly, Jesus was a Jewish rabbi. There is nothing in his teachings which departs from a firm application of the Jewish traditions of justice and restraint. It would do no harm at all for christianists to spend more time following Jesus words and actions - all based on forgiveness, humbleness and justice - and less on Paul's.
 
I listened with interest on the news last night when Oral Jr was preaching about how we live in a litigous society and this lawsuit is all about "money". Well of course it is, it's about all the money the complaintants are saying that has been misappropriated by him and his family just as much as it may be what the court awards for damages.
 
A clarification.

In re-reading my last post, I realized that some people might think I was implying that the religious members here at AW.org were grouped in with they hypocrites that I went on to discuss.

I did not intend for that impresstion to be conveyed. I was just establishing that this board is by no means anti-religious.

I would also like to add that I find it refreshing that we have an internet forum here in which we can discuss these views without people slinging mud or getting offended. Gansky, Maggie Hamilton, and Panthera all have interesting things to say, I only wish that more people in this old world held such reasonable views.

-kevin
 
Food for thought . .

As hard as I try not to be, it seems like there are days where I end up finding myself to be a hypocrite - and some days I even feel like the King of the Hypocrites!

A wise man by the name of Paul once said "For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate."

Unfortunately that seems to be my tagline some days. In the 30 years that I've been on this earth, the biggest lesson I've learned is that I'm not perfect, and not even close to it (and believe me - it KILLS me to admit this - LOL). What I continue to learn on a daily basis is that you can't lump everyone into categories, and then make generalizations about everyone in that group.

I understand and respect many of the comments listed above. In fact, I agree with a lot of them. Do I feel persecuted here? Not necessarily persecuted - but I certainly feel like the odd-man out some days (which is just how life works, I suppose). As a follower of Jesus Christ and as a Republician (and believe me - I consider those two to be COMPLETELY mutually exclusive), I just wonder sometimes how I would be viewed (and possibly treated) if I were to walk into a gathering of fellow AW.org'ers and said "Hi, my name is Bryan, and I'm a Christian and a Republician".

From some of the comments stated above, it sounds like many here face that same situation daily in real life, which I find most unfortunate. I face similar persecution in some areas of my life as well. I guess that's one of the reasons why I come in here - to chat with others who share some of the very same interests, and don't believe me to be strange because of them. I guess we all want the same thing - to be understood and not judged because of who or what we are.

Like I said above, I don't necessarily feel "persecuted" by anyone here at AW.org. Some days, however, it does seem to feel a bit hositle towards certain groups of people. I didn't mean to stir up a lot of controversy here - just thought I would throw out some food for thought.

Bryan
 
Bryan,

I certainly share that 'some days' feeling with you. Even though I have a German passport, my accent marks me as 'American' to Europeans. And that means I sometimes get thrown in with all the nasty, horrid things which people in the rest of the western world associates with the US these days.

I would, if you don't mind, like to ask a question. Don't know how to phrase it without sounding aggressive, so apologies in advance.
How do you reconcile being a Republican with a party which has suspended habeas corpus, tortures, renditions and has run up the highest deficit in US history, created the most bloated bureaucracy in US history(including WWII) and virtually gutted small business profits? If this were 1951 or 1963 or even, 1967 I could understand...but what on earth has the current Republican party to offer a democratic, capitalist society?
Like I said, I do apologize...but I really am curious. The only people I know personally who are still gung-ho on the Republicans are my hay-seed American relatives...and you are obviously a well educated man (not like my relations, yee-haw.)
 
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has a problem with a name like Oral.

It is just to easy with the jokes on that one.
 
Maggie, i have new respect for you. thanks for posting this story. considering all the BS that passes for legitimate news on TV, i think its gonna be up to "the people" to keep ourselves informed.

if these allegations are true THESE people are obviously "the enemy", not homosexuals or immigrants or atheists.

after all the pain and sorrow gay people have had to endure thru the years because of "christian" hogwash, im not ashamed to say i relish the thought of people like these being disgraced im the most public manner possible!
 

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