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Kaiser and Coronet Dishwashers---NO ELECTRICITY
Fascinating--I'm studying the pics----Kaiser has 3 knobs/levers, LIFT, DRAIN, WASH. So the lifting is some mechanical/spring system. Drain would seem obvious, but you'd sort of think it would be open at all times. Wash is likely the main water valve? 40 or more pounds of pressure would surely spin a small rack of dishes with 4 or more jet sprays going. Maybe the detergent cup is some bimetal coil system, like on a many carbeurators in the 50's 60's, would open once the inside temp was 140 all around? And there's no timer, maybe you watched until suds were all done? Of course, how did the soap get into the jets of water, or was there a sump at the base and water jetting through it , sort of a soap distribution system?
Ya know, I bet for dishes fresh off the table, it actually would do an acceptable job, except for cheese and eggs. Pots and pans probably didn't do well, though.
I would love to see such a thing, talk about unique and a conversation piece!
Some of you engineers and experienced folks------throw more guesswork our way as to how this may work. I've never seen or heard of such a dishwasher ever. And the soap has me baffled---how to dispense, how to circulate?
Thanks
Mark
Fascinating--I'm studying the pics----Kaiser has 3 knobs/levers, LIFT, DRAIN, WASH. So the lifting is some mechanical/spring system. Drain would seem obvious, but you'd sort of think it would be open at all times. Wash is likely the main water valve? 40 or more pounds of pressure would surely spin a small rack of dishes with 4 or more jet sprays going. Maybe the detergent cup is some bimetal coil system, like on a many carbeurators in the 50's 60's, would open once the inside temp was 140 all around? And there's no timer, maybe you watched until suds were all done? Of course, how did the soap get into the jets of water, or was there a sump at the base and water jetting through it , sort of a soap distribution system?
Ya know, I bet for dishes fresh off the table, it actually would do an acceptable job, except for cheese and eggs. Pots and pans probably didn't do well, though.
I would love to see such a thing, talk about unique and a conversation piece!
Some of you engineers and experienced folks------throw more guesswork our way as to how this may work. I've never seen or heard of such a dishwasher ever. And the soap has me baffled---how to dispense, how to circulate?
Thanks
Mark
Fabulous scans, Steve - thanks for doing these dishwasher brochures. I've never seen that toy sink-dishwasher before!
water pressure dishwashers!
My friend Louis has the keiser and it is a real cool dw!
As for the Coronet I saw it in a magazine in the 60's and always wondered about it. The pictuse was like the one above with positioned in the corner with the window. I always wondered about it now I feel like I found a old friend.
Peter
My friend Louis has the keiser and it is a real cool dw!
As for the Coronet I saw it in a magazine in the 60's and always wondered about it. The pictuse was like the one above with positioned in the corner with the window. I always wondered about it now I feel like I found a old friend.
Peter
Popular Mechanics
This was advertisied in 1973 Popular Mechanics
http://books.google.com/books?id=MN...um=3&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=coronet dish
This was advertisied in 1973 Popular Mechanics
http://books.google.com/books?id=MN...um=3&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=coronet dish
Obviously, the Coronet did not have as many aluminum parts as the Kaiser because you could only use Chat (which was formulated not to attack aluminum) in the Kaiser. Use something else and see how your whole dishwasher can begin to look like an aluminum pan you wash in the dishwasher. You would not want the basket to "spin" (as they state in the ad) too fast because that would reduce the impact of the force of the water on the dishes. Back in the 70s, catalogs and stores like "K Marks" sold awkwardly large plastic versions of this type of dishwasher. You sometimes see them in thrift stores and have to think how dreams of having a real dishwasher for $30 or $40 crashed and burned when poor people tried to use them for the first time. They sat on the counter by the sink when in use. They were fed from the faucet, had a plastic wash arm a little larger in diameter than a drinking straw under and beside a stationary rack and used liquid hand dishwashing detergent. It was possible to use 20 or more gallons of hot water trying to get things clean if you put them in dirty and, if you had low water pressure, they were not even much good for rinsing. Every ingredient in a recipe for disaster was present. I doubt that most users thought to dissolve machine dishwashing detergent in some hot water and use it instead of liquid hand dishwashing detergent to marginally improve performance. At least with the counter top machines, you could keep adding detergent because it was added outside the wash chamber while with the two builtin machines, the length of the wash was determined by the fixed amount of detergent added to the dispenser. When it ran out, you were rinsing unless you shut off the water and opened it to add more detergent.
None of these actually recirculated water. The detergent dispensing system was a sucking of the detergent using the venturi effect into the water stream before it was fed into the wash jets. Given the limitations of these machines, I don't think you would want to waste time or water by having warm water flow through the unit to clear the lines. You would no doubt have hot water present from the hand prewashing required before loading soiled items. With no mechanical pump, you would not want to put much in the way of solid food particles in it for fear of clogging the drain strainer.
If any of you have had experience with a "Roto-Rack" equipped dishwasher, you know that you can get some pretty weird noises out of the machine if the rack is not balanced weight-wise. I wonder if these two machines with spinning racks could be made to make funny noises with a unbalanced load or if the diameter was too small.
None of these actually recirculated water. The detergent dispensing system was a sucking of the detergent using the venturi effect into the water stream before it was fed into the wash jets. Given the limitations of these machines, I don't think you would want to waste time or water by having warm water flow through the unit to clear the lines. You would no doubt have hot water present from the hand prewashing required before loading soiled items. With no mechanical pump, you would not want to put much in the way of solid food particles in it for fear of clogging the drain strainer.
If any of you have had experience with a "Roto-Rack" equipped dishwasher, you know that you can get some pretty weird noises out of the machine if the rack is not balanced weight-wise. I wonder if these two machines with spinning racks could be made to make funny noises with a unbalanced load or if the diameter was too small.
steved
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the Spin Tube finale
1964 was the last year for the spin tube.
1964 was the last year for the spin tube.
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I remember seeing this model in a storefront window while on vacation in the Adirondacks when I was younger
I remember seeing this model in a storefront window while on vacation in the Adirondacks when I was younger
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Bewitched
And if it was good enough for Samantha Stevens, it was good enough for me! (Although she had a built-in model).
And if it was good enough for Samantha Stevens, it was good enough for me! (Although she had a built-in model).
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Love the 1964
spin tube finale........story about the easy loading from the front. "Makes loading easy even when you're wearing your best party dress".
I always take my long sleeved shirt off to do dishes and clean the kitchen. Maybe I should wear a dress.
spin tube finale........story about the easy loading from the front. "Makes loading easy even when you're wearing your best party dress".
I always take my long sleeved shirt off to do dishes and clean the kitchen. Maybe I should wear a dress.
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Oh, and
the suggested retail price (in Sioux City, IA) was $319.95. Isn't that like a zillion dollars in 2011 money? $2275.00 to be exact!
the suggested retail price (in Sioux City, IA) was $319.95. Isn't that like a zillion dollars in 2011 money? $2275.00 to be exact!
The design fallacy of the spin tube was that glasses did not need as much water force as items with heavier soil did, yet they were placed right over the water supply.
Note that in the puce background spec sheet, they show a Corning Ware pan with very dark soil being scraped under running water, yet there is no follow up picture of it in the dishwasher showing where it was placed or how clean it emerged.
Note that in the puce background spec sheet, they show a Corning Ware pan with very dark soil being scraped under running water, yet there is no follow up picture of it in the dishwasher showing where it was placed or how clean it emerged.
Corning Ware pan with very dark soil being scraped under run
Well of course not. that's because it ended up being completely washed by hand because there was no place in that load depicted in the pictue for it to be placed nor would it have proably come clean in the first place. To accommodate that piece in the top rack, numerous glass and cups would have been put back in the sink. And attempts to place it in the bottom rack on its side along the right side of the rack, facing the center, would have resulted in too many plates being left out too!!! "Prepare your dishes as if for hand washing". Looks like that Corningware piece was being washed by hand completely anyway!! Probably with lots of dish soap in that rag or sponge being used.
Well of course not. that's because it ended up being completely washed by hand because there was no place in that load depicted in the pictue for it to be placed nor would it have proably come clean in the first place. To accommodate that piece in the top rack, numerous glass and cups would have been put back in the sink. And attempts to place it in the bottom rack on its side along the right side of the rack, facing the center, would have resulted in too many plates being left out too!!! "Prepare your dishes as if for hand washing". Looks like that Corningware piece was being washed by hand completely anyway!! Probably with lots of dish soap in that rag or sponge being used.
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GM - Mark of Excellence
I know these weren't stellar performers but you have to admit, they sure looked nice! And if you were wearing your best party dress and wanted to show off your new Dishmobile, might as well have something with lots of chrome........
Now it's difficult to even locate the dishwasher in a modern kitchen.
I know these weren't stellar performers but you have to admit, they sure looked nice! And if you were wearing your best party dress and wanted to show off your new Dishmobile, might as well have something with lots of chrome........
Now it's difficult to even locate the dishwasher in a modern kitchen.
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Hi does anyone have the picture of the first ever front loading dishwasher which I thnink would be American and was it in the late 1930's it hit the US market
Less about performance than capacity
Thank you for all the wonderful scans, Steve--great to see you posting! I LOVE that Sherwood Green set--what a handsome machine!
Bob and I used to joke that a KDS-15 and a DW-IMH made for a harmonious household; the KitchenAid was the "bottom" dishwasher for pots and pans, and the Frigidaire handled all the cups, dishes, and otherwise flat items.
You may remember when the DW-IMH came home--the first load was a bust, and I was perturbed as much by the performance as by the inability to load a plate larger than 9" in diameter. (The top rack hit them.)
But with downsized dishware, good detergent, the true detergent dispenser and double-wash (rather than the door-divet and single-wash), and VERY HOT water in copious supply, the spray-tube did a good job. I even learned how to be adventuresome and get fry-pans and serving ware clean in the lower rack. The hydraulic physics of the spray-tubes seems counterintuitive--but water went everywhere, and most everything got clean, believe it or not.
That said, I wish they would have kept the top rack of the fifties machines and not opted to put a ridge of fixed tines up the middle in the '64; this made loading deeper pots and such nearly impossible (nor mixing bowls). In the older machines, the top rack was a nearly flat hump, minus the tines, and the loading for odds-and-ends was more flexible.
The situation for tumblers was grim. If you use a lot of tumblers and not teacups, you pretty much lost your top rack to them; even though you had a full top rack, tumblers ran up the sides and formed an array that reached the sides of the rack, making fitting much else (beyond Glad-ware that could nestle between the bottom of the glass and the side of the rack) impossible.
These were definitely dish---not ware-- washers. Water sent to the silverware basket (though generously sized) was not entirely adequate. But on mine, the self-cleaning pop-up filter worked well and shed most of the food down the drain; I never did anything special to prep the dishes, and everything came out sparkling. Of course, I didn't put baked-on stuff in, but that was a ludicrous proposal for most dishwashers of the time, anyway. (At least soak the thing first.)
The machine was very quiet, and reminded me of a soft rainstorm when it ran. The massive reversing impeller shoved a huge amount of water up to that tube (evidenced by the monstrous feed hose, similar to a radiator hose from a '54 Pontiac), and mine had big slots cut out of it that must have sent ribbons o'fury spiraling around the machine. The drain phase of the cycle could fill your sink with water, and I'm convinced that fire departments borrowed spray-tubes to fight high-rise fires from the ground.
Thank you for all the wonderful scans, Steve--great to see you posting! I LOVE that Sherwood Green set--what a handsome machine!
Bob and I used to joke that a KDS-15 and a DW-IMH made for a harmonious household; the KitchenAid was the "bottom" dishwasher for pots and pans, and the Frigidaire handled all the cups, dishes, and otherwise flat items.
You may remember when the DW-IMH came home--the first load was a bust, and I was perturbed as much by the performance as by the inability to load a plate larger than 9" in diameter. (The top rack hit them.)
But with downsized dishware, good detergent, the true detergent dispenser and double-wash (rather than the door-divet and single-wash), and VERY HOT water in copious supply, the spray-tube did a good job. I even learned how to be adventuresome and get fry-pans and serving ware clean in the lower rack. The hydraulic physics of the spray-tubes seems counterintuitive--but water went everywhere, and most everything got clean, believe it or not.
That said, I wish they would have kept the top rack of the fifties machines and not opted to put a ridge of fixed tines up the middle in the '64; this made loading deeper pots and such nearly impossible (nor mixing bowls). In the older machines, the top rack was a nearly flat hump, minus the tines, and the loading for odds-and-ends was more flexible.
The situation for tumblers was grim. If you use a lot of tumblers and not teacups, you pretty much lost your top rack to them; even though you had a full top rack, tumblers ran up the sides and formed an array that reached the sides of the rack, making fitting much else (beyond Glad-ware that could nestle between the bottom of the glass and the side of the rack) impossible.
These were definitely dish---not ware-- washers. Water sent to the silverware basket (though generously sized) was not entirely adequate. But on mine, the self-cleaning pop-up filter worked well and shed most of the food down the drain; I never did anything special to prep the dishes, and everything came out sparkling. Of course, I didn't put baked-on stuff in, but that was a ludicrous proposal for most dishwashers of the time, anyway. (At least soak the thing first.)
The machine was very quiet, and reminded me of a soft rainstorm when it ran. The massive reversing impeller shoved a huge amount of water up to that tube (evidenced by the monstrous feed hose, similar to a radiator hose from a '54 Pontiac), and mine had big slots cut out of it that must have sent ribbons o'fury spiraling around the machine. The drain phase of the cycle could fill your sink with water, and I'm convinced that fire departments borrowed spray-tubes to fight high-rise fires from the ground.
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What I wouldn't Give!!
For Sherwood green appliances and a pink kitchen...PARADISE!!!
For Sherwood green appliances and a pink kitchen...PARADISE!!!
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