kenmoreguy89
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Do not bleach symbol, non chlorine and perborate
Sorry for the long poem, I know this is going too much off topic here but wanted to write this:
Well, given this, then I cannot understand why all the regular powders were considered and are still considered good for all the laundry including light colors and darks and not mentioning just for ones "bleachable with non chlorine stuff"... Over here, until recent years (exlcuding the Henkel and P&G attempt to introduce them in 90s with Dixan megaperls color and Ariel ultra) products on purpose for colors never existed or catched up widely, in USA from what I know also, if we count out Cheer (historical brand on purpose for colors, supposed to give more brillant and better looking colors), this differently than it is in many other EU countries from many years such Germany where for most of powders brands there is one kind of it for colors, we now just have few color powders as here this fashion never catched up so largely as Germany, Austria and Spain, we now have the Dixan formula for color ( coming in liquid only, not the powder as for persil is ) and Dash forma e colore- Shape and color- (both in powder and liquid) supposed to give elastic feeling and brighter colors, Lidl german Formil both powder and liquids, then some other minor brands including store brands such Esselunga, Coop etc which comes in liquids only also. But for most of the brands here you only find the classic/regular powder and liquid that most people still use for all the laundry excluding wollens, there is not this fashion of color stuff.... then there are also few for blacks like Woolite and Spuma di Sciampagna always in liquid only, again it was a fashion raised up in the 2000ish, over here many consumers started to debate and wonder about it, and many arrived at the common conclusion it was all about marketing. most of the colors and black detergents are infact supposed and advertised to have special ingredients giving more brilliance to colors and darks, rather than avoiding damage of fades, even if Woolite and Spuma di Sciampagna are the only two ones that mainly advertise the fact their detergents won't fade clothes like if it is a their own peculiarity, if others famous would start advertisng it, that would probably raise claims and questions from people, kinda: " Hey how come, we always used and you always said regular powders and liquids were good for colors also and how come now is just for whites and colorfast and we need to use another?" That's the matter, and I think it is not questionable or objectionable as matter. My thought is that regular detergents are as good if you use them to wash quality garments, so dyed with good dyes and not crappy ones like modern things unfortunately are, for many reasons including them being manufactured in Vietnam, China etc....... Don't get me wrong, as stated, I've understand your speech, that color safe bleach or perborate may, in some istances, fade colors.... I never experienced fading using regular powders (that's all I always use except for silk and wollens, naturally) and always used them for items stating the marked triangle and statement " do not bleach"...like many people do... As said I always thought the do not bleach symbol was to be meant only about chlorine, and that the statement "non chlorine bleach only" or the symbol of the triangle with the three lines was to be read as an integrative suggestion to be eventually be taken for granted.... Not that "do not bleach " was meant for ANY kind of bleach... Thanks for letting me know about this.....but it does open another question about old clothing and modern whites ones ( for old I mean made before 90s) when color safe bleach didn't exist, and so even for some modern whites cotton clothes still reporting the "do not bleach" symbol with no any integrative statement or symbol about the possibilty of non chlorine stuff... Most of the color clothing sold over here just says in the labels "do not bleach" or have the marked triangle with no other integrations, while in american clothing labels (purchased in USA or from USA like for example in the several Ralph Lauren's Polo shirts, or Levi's T shirts and jeans I have) it looks more common but not always present also... Also most of the white clothing says "do not bleach" only also, I'm fully sure I can bleach them with color safe...but then it would be confusing....so what actually makes a garment eligible for color safe if we would have to stick to the labels? And if I really had to follow and render every label, then I could not even use color safe on the new white bassetti bedding I just purchased, for which I'm 100% sure I can actually use it! So it's a confusional concept... Regarding colro powder detergents, well, many color powders from me used looked like they did contain good amounts of perborate and percarbonat even comparable to regular ones, I think it is not that, that gives much difference for these reasons... Without counting that Persil r other keeps saying their regular powders are good for all the laundry with no exception than wollens and silk... So, don't get me wrong, I understand your statement and you used the adverb potentially, I think it is all about the quality of the items you're washing, and fact that clothing manufacturers wants to keep themselves on the safer side...
[this post was last edited: 4/15/2013-16:21]
Sorry for the long poem, I know this is going too much off topic here but wanted to write this:
Well, given this, then I cannot understand why all the regular powders were considered and are still considered good for all the laundry including light colors and darks and not mentioning just for ones "bleachable with non chlorine stuff"... Over here, until recent years (exlcuding the Henkel and P&G attempt to introduce them in 90s with Dixan megaperls color and Ariel ultra) products on purpose for colors never existed or catched up widely, in USA from what I know also, if we count out Cheer (historical brand on purpose for colors, supposed to give more brillant and better looking colors), this differently than it is in many other EU countries from many years such Germany where for most of powders brands there is one kind of it for colors, we now just have few color powders as here this fashion never catched up so largely as Germany, Austria and Spain, we now have the Dixan formula for color ( coming in liquid only, not the powder as for persil is ) and Dash forma e colore- Shape and color- (both in powder and liquid) supposed to give elastic feeling and brighter colors, Lidl german Formil both powder and liquids, then some other minor brands including store brands such Esselunga, Coop etc which comes in liquids only also. But for most of the brands here you only find the classic/regular powder and liquid that most people still use for all the laundry excluding wollens, there is not this fashion of color stuff.... then there are also few for blacks like Woolite and Spuma di Sciampagna always in liquid only, again it was a fashion raised up in the 2000ish, over here many consumers started to debate and wonder about it, and many arrived at the common conclusion it was all about marketing. most of the colors and black detergents are infact supposed and advertised to have special ingredients giving more brilliance to colors and darks, rather than avoiding damage of fades, even if Woolite and Spuma di Sciampagna are the only two ones that mainly advertise the fact their detergents won't fade clothes like if it is a their own peculiarity, if others famous would start advertisng it, that would probably raise claims and questions from people, kinda: " Hey how come, we always used and you always said regular powders and liquids were good for colors also and how come now is just for whites and colorfast and we need to use another?" That's the matter, and I think it is not questionable or objectionable as matter. My thought is that regular detergents are as good if you use them to wash quality garments, so dyed with good dyes and not crappy ones like modern things unfortunately are, for many reasons including them being manufactured in Vietnam, China etc....... Don't get me wrong, as stated, I've understand your speech, that color safe bleach or perborate may, in some istances, fade colors.... I never experienced fading using regular powders (that's all I always use except for silk and wollens, naturally) and always used them for items stating the marked triangle and statement " do not bleach"...like many people do... As said I always thought the do not bleach symbol was to be meant only about chlorine, and that the statement "non chlorine bleach only" or the symbol of the triangle with the three lines was to be read as an integrative suggestion to be eventually be taken for granted.... Not that "do not bleach " was meant for ANY kind of bleach... Thanks for letting me know about this.....but it does open another question about old clothing and modern whites ones ( for old I mean made before 90s) when color safe bleach didn't exist, and so even for some modern whites cotton clothes still reporting the "do not bleach" symbol with no any integrative statement or symbol about the possibilty of non chlorine stuff... Most of the color clothing sold over here just says in the labels "do not bleach" or have the marked triangle with no other integrations, while in american clothing labels (purchased in USA or from USA like for example in the several Ralph Lauren's Polo shirts, or Levi's T shirts and jeans I have) it looks more common but not always present also... Also most of the white clothing says "do not bleach" only also, I'm fully sure I can bleach them with color safe...but then it would be confusing....so what actually makes a garment eligible for color safe if we would have to stick to the labels? And if I really had to follow and render every label, then I could not even use color safe on the new white bassetti bedding I just purchased, for which I'm 100% sure I can actually use it! So it's a confusional concept... Regarding colro powder detergents, well, many color powders from me used looked like they did contain good amounts of perborate and percarbonat even comparable to regular ones, I think it is not that, that gives much difference for these reasons... Without counting that Persil r other keeps saying their regular powders are good for all the laundry with no exception than wollens and silk... So, don't get me wrong, I understand your statement and you used the adverb potentially, I think it is all about the quality of the items you're washing, and fact that clothing manufacturers wants to keep themselves on the safer side...
[this post was last edited: 4/15/2013-16:21]
