Pastor Haggard: Part II

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Makes me wonder how many more of the vehemently opposed individuals have sekeletons rattling around. I used the same cover-up too, one of many.
 
To say this is embarrassing is the understatement of the year!
Oh My! I would not want to be in his position right now. Did he think that he wouldn't be caught some day?
I think that a persons sexual orientation is their own business and nobody elses. But a rent boy and a wife! Man, what a mess! The fact that he is a religious figure makes it just that much worse.
 
Society and desire to achieve......?

I don't even know, i guess i mean my heart bleeds for the wife, the rage she must feel and the embarrassment of his children. HE chose to live the lie, she is betrayed and his kids will go through hell on earth, you all know how cruel kids can be at times. If the man is gay why didnt he just do the right thing..............not get married in the first place thats the lie i am referring too. No need to climb to achievement on any anti-gay platform. I beleive in my heart he loves those kids.. Most gay dads do a wonderful job. this is just a horrible mess. Not condoning this but earlier choices in his life, especially his job related duties for the FAR RIGHT did him in, we may have had a laugh, but that family has some serious pain and issues to work through.
 
my thoughts

I was at the local Wendy's yesterday after church...Ted was a topic of conversation. Seems the group I was with (Methodist) agreed that It's tempting to say "ha..ha..ha" but then it's not right to thrive on someone's misfourtunes; also concerns were for his wife and children...I find it hard to belive the wife did'nt at least suspect. But I hate to think what kinds of teasing the children will endure at school; I fear it will be even worse on them than just the average run of the mill child with a gay parent(s). The real pisser to this story is..people that dont attend church often justify it by saying churches and regilion are just a bunch of hipocrits...in view of what Ted did that just reinforces their feelings. I respect the consertivies and thier opions..however I wish they would'nt try to impose them on me!!!
 
When someone points their finger at a group of people and call them dirty, sinful and the object of G-d's wrath, and then close the door and indulge themselves in what they profess to hate, they deserve the hottest hell-fire imaginable. Period. I have all the sympathy in the world for his children and his wife but I hope his burning hate and lies keep him awake in turmoil every night. A leader of the people SHOULD be a beacon of hope, kindness and love. His followers, all 30 million of them, will hopefully do some deep, personal reflection on the power of hate and perhaps will seek out the real truth of what their savior taught in the bible. But that may be too much to hope for.
 
The guy is human...

I kinda feel sorry for him in a way, namely I can't imagine the inner, emotional turmoil this guy dealt with every day of his life.
So sad too that he was conditioned as such that he could not be confortable in his own skin.
The scariest part of this story is he's been turned over to the care of James Dobson???
Yeah right like they are going to be able to "cure" him??
I think this guy is just in for more hurt and pain.
I do feel for the wife and kids though. Having a couple of friends who were married w/kids and are now divorced and out, they do not have it easy either.
It will be interesting to see how this all plays itself out. The story is far from over thats for sure!
 
I guess we'll just have to wait for his book to come out followed by the made for tv movie. Please please please don't get Nancy Grace involved, leave her to what she does best, celebrity and photogenic white child abuse and murders.
 
I feel sorry for the children, but not for Haggard or his wife.
They get what they deserve for preaching hatred and bigotry. Under the care of James Dobson? Well, then Haggard will be getting his just reward.
 
A Big Thank You goes out to Mike Jones

"In his letter, Haggard asked the congregation to forgive his accuser, who has been widely quoted as saying he came forward because he was angered by what he perceived as the pastor's hypocrisy on same-sex marriage."

Well isn't that rich, it just goes to show exactly how these people think! One really has to just roll one's eyes when we read such arragance and stupidity like that. The truth of the matter is Mike Jones is a hero, the guy who needs forgivness big time is Haggard. Mike did all of us a huge favor and we should be greatful to him.

As for his wife and children I absolutely do feel bad for them, although I not concerned if his kids get teased and picked on for their fathers behavior, because it would be minor compared to the way a gay child is treated throughout his or her entire childhood. Most of us remember what that was like as it was horrible. I can only hope that things are better for gay kids today than they were 30 years ago, I suspect that they are.
 
These are things that I just don't understand. My sisters brother in law after 12 years of marriage and three kids woke up one morning to tell his wife that he's gay and he is running off with a drag queen. That happened 10 years ago and most of the family is still in deep denial. Of course he is one of those you never would guess. From what I understand most people realize that they are gay well before marriage age. If this is true, why don't they know that marriage to a woman will never work for them?
But it just goes to show you that you can walk the walk and talk the talk, but you never really know what goes on in the minds of men!
 
It's too bad

Of course we all knew this.

I wish Haggard could see clear to state that he is a child of God and this is the way God made him. In my opinion, the major religions always sought ways to keep the birth rate up by encouraging everyone, even those who probably shouldn't reporduce, to marry.

Let's show our compassion, and welcome him.

Martin
 
Sad, and angry here

Sad for his children, and for his wife. In that order.

I am angry about the people who will use this as an anti-Christian screed.

Not all Christian denominiations are like this one. My own denomination, the United Church of Christ, has ordained openly gay non-celibate ministers starting in 1972! (If it helps figure out who we are, we're the "God Is Still Speaking" people.)

I am out in my congregation, and we have many, many lesbian families.

Lawrence/Maytagbear

Link is to denomination website.

 
When I was younger and worked front-line positions in hotels, I got hit on by quite a few married men. I don't condone adultery, of course, and I was always concerned for the wife, who in all likelihood didn't know her husband was screwing around on her.

But I felt bad for the guy too - it must be terrible to be so conflicted that you have to get your jollies by propositioning hotel employees. I suppose they thought they were being discreeet, but the joke was on them: everytime anyone got hit on, you always told you co-workers and supervisor, so that people would know to look out for the letch.

In this instance, I really feel for his wife. Pastor's wives and pastor's kids are always held to a higher standard anyway, and scandal like this makes it worse. A particularly moronic pastor here in Seattle - another prominent homophobe, of course - has already tried to blame it on how Haggard's wife "let herself go".
 
Still I'm sure there'll be some twisting this incident to futher their cause by blaming it on the "gay agenda" or some such, when in fact it is gay repression that causes some gay people to resort to sham marriages in the first place in order to fit in or be accepted. Back in the early 70's I remember going to someones party (all gay) and lo and behold there was one of my HS classmates father. Then at another both the parents of another classmate. Neither time did those parents recognize me otherwise they'd probably have been worried I might spill the beans or something. Not likely, I was still in the closet as well. Besides it's none of my business.
 
The scary thing to me.........

is not so much that he got in the pulpit and preached hate, BUT that he had 14000 people that were willing to listen to his message of hate. And he was also a national leader of 30 million, THAT is scary.
 
I once went to an interview for a company, that I did end up working for, and on the 3rd interview, I had to speak with the director of the company. He was young, very fit, goodlooking. As soon as I layed eyes on him, I thought to myself "Well, If he isn't as gay as a three dollar bill." He had pictures in his office of his wife and kids. So, I just thought my gaydar was on the fritz. As I worked at the company and begain to climb the corporate ladder and had more, and more contact with him, I became more and more certain that he was gay. When I became supervisor, It was relaid to us not to distrub his as much as possible as he just filed for divorce and was terribly distraught. Once the divorce was final, the whole story came out as to what really happend. He had come from a family that was very wealthy and was "expected to marry a family of equal status and produce children". And if he did not, then his life would be distroyed. So, he did. He had married and produced children and lived the life that he was expected to. Once his Father had passed away, (his mother had died about the time I started with the company)he filed for the divorce, got himself a boyfriend and moved to a luxury condo on the beach.

Am I saying that I condone what Harrgard has done?? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!. However, we also don't know the entire, exact story. I am just as angry and sad as many of you are. Yes, Like many of you, growing up gay was not a walk in the rose garden, and was very painful, and stressful. However, We as a gay community, stress, and preach, equality, and want people to except who and what we are. Yet, within the gay comminity we discriminate against ourselves by judging each other on what part of town we lived in, the clothes we wear, and what we drive, and how our bodies look to each other, and how much money we make.

I agree that Haggard preached his hate and distain for the gay community and then came off the pulpit and did the complete opposite of what he just preached against. That is just not right. Obviously, there is some real disfuction there. There are still people out there that truly believe that being gay is a choice and you can choose to change and be straight. Those are the people that I feel most sorry for. These are also the people at say "they have found Jesus and are re-born". They should be very careful about using that statement, because if it were true they wouldn't be judging anyone.

Everyone has skeletons in their clossets, or atleast has made decisions that they are not proud of and don't discuss. People enter into bad relationships and marriages or "arrangments" of convinence each and everyday. And yes, eventually they all end and people get hurt. They hypocrocy of telling people that something is bad, give me money so I can continue to show you it is bad, then do the opposite is totally ill-reprehisible. People have gone to prison for that,and I think, and correct me if i'm wrong here, that's called fraud.

It is a total shame that he commited this fraud to his wife and children. The worst fraud is what he committed to the "general public" if you will, and that they bought into it.
 

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