Pastor Haggard: Part II

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Frigilux, richM:

That is what the whole point was in my rant earlier. If you have not choices presented to you other than "get married, produce children or else", then don't put yourself in the limelight, speaking against homosexuals. Keep ur mouth shut and do what YOU have choosen to do. He had a choice, he had a voice. Don't stand there and tell me and thousands of others that everything is bad and gay people will never enter the kingdom of heaven. When, you fool well know you are one of them.
 
Its long overdue

Should have been done many years ago. I can assure you all that there are many many others just like this.. When I was growing up in a very small east texas town at 14 I would help the Baptist Minister feed his two cows in the evenings, mom thought it was so wonderful .... I finally told her "do you really think it takes 2 hours to feed 2 damn cows a mile out of town"? I was not forced or made to do anything with him I did It willinglly,, But this type thing has gone on for years and years and will continue to do so.. Just as long as there are so many people that think that everyone else should be a certain way.... Please take no offence I do not mean to hurt anyone that's just not me...
 
well...

Give the guy some credit, he did confess, and he is remorseful.

I just don't understand why people expect these guys to be perfect, how are they any different than anyone in their pews, or in the world for that matter...

I disagree about his keeping his yap shut about the gay thing though, it would have come out sooner or later, one way or another.
Lies have a way of catching up with you...
 
I wonder, what is the penalty of repentance for fleshy union with a muscle stud?

(Hat tip to Carol Kane, who played Simka in "Taxi"....)
 
I think Haggard is remorseful that he got caught. After all, he has only lied and lied since then. Even now that he finally told the truth about his relationship with Jones, he has tried to play it all down. Like he (Haggard) did not do "everything" with Jones. Ok.... A professional male prostitute with a fantasic build, and some meth?
Hell, I'm sure Haggard had the time of his life! He kept going back to Jones for more, so Jones must have been pretty good to him after all.

Well....At least that tax free money is going to a GOOD cause. lol!
 
When we were living in town there was a Kmart up the road and an RC church across the street. It was funny to see the masses at 11 a.m. vacating the church and heading right over to do some Sunday shopping.
 
"Give the guy some credit, he did confess, and he is remorseful."

Confessed because the evidence was there. And remorseful that he got caught.

And Pete, just out of curiousity - what's the matter with shopping after church, or am I missing something?

When I was a kid, and we would get out of church, we would go to breakfast at the local cafeteria, and my dad would always have a contest to see who could have the cheapest breakfast ticket. I would have none of that, and would always make a point of losing - even selecting the silverware with linen napkin (which was an extra nickel!)
 
you're so right Dan

the only reason he is remorseful is because he got caught.
Personally I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for this guy, he made his bed, now he can lie in it...

The real fun starts when James Dobson gets a hold of him...
 
doesnt need to be said, but anyone associated with a church who chooses to stay closeted (or semi-closeted) is passively reinforcing the concept that homosexuality is something negative, disfunctional or wicked. this is especially so for young people who need guidance and inspiration. whats a young gay person to think when they witness the evasiveness and shame? and to say that *its nobodys business* is a bit weak. sexuality is part of the fabric of our lives, straight and gay. people who are in a position to set an example for others have a responsibility. change doesnt happen by itself.
 
I know of seveeral bears from a bears Christian site who went through the Exodus "movement" to be cured of their orientation. The emotional dmage which ensued resulted in years and yars of psychological counseling and repair. It's horrible. And Dopbson will make it worse.
 
Shopping On Sunday

In the vein of keeping the Sabbath, blue laws were enforced in many towns throughout America preventing commerce on Sunday. I clearly remember the first time my mom went to a grocery store on Sunday. She was as nervous as a long tailed cat in a room full of rockers and kept saying she hoped no one she knew saw her. To this day, she refuses to allow the washer to run on Sunday.
Repression has a way of bursting out, no matter the persausion.
The parts of all this that sadden me is Haggard will be held up as one more example of gay being used as an example of weakness. God will take the hit and it will be used as fodder to move even further from a loving influence. Please do not confuse religion with faith.
James Dobson is not a bad man. His ministry, before becoming politicized, advocated loving and serving God and calling parents to do all they could to parent children into emotional wellness. Tragically he has been duped and sucked in by the president, wild eyed Bible thumpers and the likes of Seattle's Ken Hutcherson, who Dobson firmly distanced himself from when it became apparent his only goal was one of furthering hate and lies.
Haggard deserves to atone for all the millions he bilked and the thousands he misled.
Kelly
 
Being gay varies from place to place. I'm told it's really hard to come out as gay in the Middle East, a person who used to post on the net many many years ago said he tried to come out as gay to his brother, who refused to believe it; he insisted "You saw me in bed kissing my boyfriend, how can you not believe me?" to which his brother responded "That's not gay! Everybody does that!!!" -- apparently, unless you refuse to get married and have kids, you are not gay, a lot of the guys have sex with their friends. They actually get offended when very straight people from here visit and refuse to kiss guys on the cheeks as a greeting.

Some other places, like America, refuse to acknowledge that some people are bisexual. Oh, no, you can't be actually attracted to both genders, you are just confused, the poor thing! "It's just a phase, until they accept they're gay!" Quick show of hands, how many here were married and think of themselves as gay? One would think it's more appropriate to say that gay people are not attracted at all to the opposite gender and wouldn't be able to have sex (or even kids). That would also explain all the "miracle cures" of people who were "gay" and then attended some program and became "straight" -- they were bisexual to begin with. A friend of a friend has switched from gay to straight and back at least a dozen times in as many years since I've met him. For some reason it doesn't occur to him that he might be neither, he is bisexual.

The other myth is that bisexual people are by some weird law destined to betray their partners: "Sooner or later", the story goes, "they'll abandon their SO for the other gender"... Hm, interesting, I don't think those are in the same axis. Both gay and straight people are perfectly capable of being monogamous, polygamous or pretending to be monogamous while having affairs behind the SO's backs. There are plenty of bisexual people who are monogamous, while still being able to show attraction to both genders -- I know handfuls of bisexual people, both monogamous or not. The key here is if they are lying bastards that will break their SO's hearts or if things are out in the open.

The other thing is how much people will twist some religious idea to their personal gain and then drag lots of people into misunderstanding their own religion.

For example, many many people have been arrested in the last couple of centuries for "mailing obscene material" across state lines. They have been released with the apologies of the judges when it was discovered they had mailed parts of the Bible to their relatives.

People cherry-pick parts of the Bible. For example Onan was not punished because he masturbated -- he was punished because he refused to impregnate his sister-in-law when his brother died leaving her with no kids; we're not told if he refused it because he didn't think it was a good idea to have his kid(s) being raised as if it were his brother's or because he didn't want to commit what he might see as incest. Speaking of incest, how about the part where the two daughters get their father drunk and have sex with him because they thought they were the only 3 people left after Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed? Oh, BTW, did you know that the reason that the places were destroyed is not so much that people were "sinners", but because they were not hospitable to the Angels God sent to tell them stuff? And do you remember one of the fathers offering his own daughters to the people who wanted to have sex with the Angels just to stop them from hassling the Angels? How'd you like to have a parent who would toss you to the lions like that, uh? Why is it OK to give any grief to the gay people because they have oral or anal sex when the straight people actually do the same thing more often? Why is it just fine to pick on the gay people when one is wearing clothing with mixed fibers, or touching women who are menstruating or eating shellfish or pork? Because those are not the actual subjects that are important, they are just things that people who want power use to manipulate other people into doing their unpleasant job for them, that's why. You don't see any pastor telling you to impregnate your sister-in-law or else after your brother dies, do you?

If being gay was so bad, why is it that the Church used to marry gay people before? If "marriage" is, and has always been "one man, one woman", well, what do we say when we discover it has not always been like that, and worse, in the same Church that now insists that they have never married gays or multiple people? "Oh, no, we can't let the gays get married because what's next, polygamy? God doesn't like that!" -- really? Because in the Bible it says that God not only had no trouble with polygamous couples, the couples seemed to actually been blessed for that.

Here's a fun thought:

"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals, and 362 to heterosexuals. This doesn't mean God doesn't love heterosexuals, it's just that they need more supervision." -- Lynn Lavner

My thinking is that Mr Haggard is probably bisexual, but even if he was heterosexual, he'd be screwing around and then act all repentant when caught, he's not the first or last of the mega-preachers to end up being caught with prostitutes and/or drug dealers. Something about not being able to control oneself tends to put the person in charge of controlling everyone else to eliminate the "sin" so they don't have to be "tempted" anymore.

Cheers and Peace,
-- Paulo.
 
Again, please....

not all of us are like that.

My congregation works at the town's food pantry and hot meal center. We work at the county clothing center. We have been part of several Habitat for Humanity projects. Several friends of mine from church went to help after Katrina.

I have made hospital visits, send cards, phone calls, emails...

I can understand. The global church in America is not a particularly friendly place for non-heterosexual people. However, there are exceptions, almost everywhere.

I admit that I am lucky unto blessed with my congregation.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
If you are sensitive, don't read this post, please.

What is the one thing straight men won't do? Deep kiss their gender.

Sexuality is a very fascinating thing. We have what we think are the cultural and world-wide norms, then we have what REALLY goes on. When the two fight each-other we have exaclty such situations.

Regarding "oh THAT's not gay..." Yes, when the women are infibulated and sewn-shut in religiously extreme countries and regions, the boys look to each-other.

Regarding bi-sexuality. IMHO, everybody is. The degree varies. Bi-sexual implies no preference whatsoever. This is misleading. Everybody prefers one gender over the other, even if ever-so-slightly, and it may flip-flop back and forth over decades. If one has no preference whatsoever [zero], then they are mostlikely a narcissist that will deal with anyone that pays attention to them.

Regarding what makes one gay. In many places if one plays the male role, even with a man, he is still "OK". It is my understanding that in some Hispanic cultures, being this way a "bugaron" (buggerer) is not as bad as self-gratification.

Bottom line: Don't judge. You never know what you or your children will become. One little chemical "imbalance" or a car-crash /brain injury and the sky is the limit as to personality changes.

G-d Don't like ugly. Let her judge. She alone sees the entire picture and can intelligently say what is best. :-)
 
Churches are exactly as previously stated "private clubs" that can and will do whatever they want to do. (Think "social control"). We will be outsiders to varying degress as long as our culture still clings to the belief that physical realtions are valid only for the purpose of generating new people.

Many in the majority need to believe their sexuality is superior to that of alternative ways. Let them continue to deceive themselves. It makes the other way more special.

Think about this. We constatnly hear that this lifestyle is a "choice". We also hear that (by our parents when young) that hanging with such awful people will make us this way. HMMMMM it's THAT good that once tried it will lure us all in? Even with the prejudice, discrimination, being hated, shunned and ridiculed? I'm in, baby !!!! and you?

Newsflash: Per a reliable and well-esteemed research team, by age 20 one of three guys has tried "it" (33%) but fewer make it a lifestyle. Are these participants in denial or does this refute the above sentiment?
 

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