Permanent water conservation rules for Californians "per person per" day

[henene4]

100gal a day???

Thats close to 380l. That would be "only" 1,66 peoples worth of water per person.

That's more then 3 Germans. (123l, about 32.5gal)

The German "average" is about 123l per person per day apparently according to Google.
That's about 32.5gal.
About 2/3rds of the country shower daily (Google), and about 12% (10l, 2.7gal) go to laundry, about 36% go for hygiene and 27% for toilets.
I can assume I am above average by 10-15%. I do use about 70l per load of laundry for about 12 loads a month, and dye my hair.
But given we barely even prerinse and only use the dishwasher, we are probably at 6% of that average.
We are - on average - 4 full time inhabitants here, and the DW runs 3-4 times a week. That's about 60l 16gal, including one extra load as "prerinsing&#92soaking pots and pans".
Back home were significantly overshot that, probably.

There are some traps in usage that aren't obvious.

A normal kitchen faucet uses 4-7gal a minute (according to google). That's what the highest using cycles on a average WP DW use.
Depending on how you prerinse, doubeling or trippeling your "dishes" usage is easy.
Even the rinse only cycle often uses less then 4gal. Sadly, those never were used much in my experience.

 

[washman]

PA has its quriks too

In no particular order:

 

Occupational Privilege Tax. Yes  you pay a once a year tax because you have a job.

State Inspection on Vehciles

 

LCB.....Liquor Control Board.  3 appointees that determine the selection and price of liquor.

 

[henene4]

State inspection on vehicles

TÜV, goes from 50 to 100€ every 2 years, plus eventual repairs and reevaluation.

We have a church tax. But only for the katholic church.

Oh, did I beforehand mention that we pay about 5,10€ for 1000l (264gal for about 6$) of water?
About 60% of that go to our water treatment plant financing. It cost about 10,000,000$ and serves ~2200 people and a few small-ish buisnesses with increased water usage.
That's the price of a cheap new car for everyone.

Not sure how water treatment facilities scale, but imagine even half that for everybody in the LA area.
100gal a Day, that's close to about 5$ a day for water, lets round that to 1500$ of water per year in our prices.
Or, for 2 working people, about 1/24 of their yearly average income.

Be happy you don't have to pay that yet.

 

[DADoES]

 
<blockquote>henene4:  A normal kitchen faucet uses 4-7gal a minute (according to google).</blockquote> All my faucets are low-flow, except the master bath tub (showers are).  Kitchen is rated 2.2 GPM max but it runs slower.  Setting it full-on as a test, the water heater reports 1.3 GPM flow-rate.

 

[ea56]

I am the president of our HOA with 20 unit’s of townhouse’s. There are approx. 35 residents. We have a Smart Water meter that I monitor daily, to head any major leaks off at the pass. We are currently irrigating the lawns 3 x’s weekly. Our average daily usage is 2377 gals. This is a total of 16,639 gals per wk, of which 5350 gals are for irrigation only. So this computes to 1627 gals per day, divided by 35 occupants, =46.49 gals per person per day. So we are already easliy below the proposed daily limits per person, w/out watering the lawns. During the drought our average daliy usage was less than 2000 per day, so I don’t worry too much about being able to stay within the new proposed limits.

We are careful with our water usage. All the faucets and toilets, and shower head meet the state low flow requirements and I don’t find this to be an inconvenience at all. You get used to it. The 1.6 gal toilets work way better than the old 3.5 gal toilets ever did. and they were installed free by the city water dept.

We take “Navy” showers, wet down, turn off the water shampoo, leave in the lather and then lather the body, then rinse. Got used to this too, kept it up after the drought was over, saves on the cost of electricity to heat the water. I’ve had both hips replaced, and for the first two weeks after both surgeries I had to bath at the sink. And thats not so terrible either. I learned how to get comlpetely clean with a sink full hot water, a fresh wash cloth and a bar of soap. Our ancestors had to do this all the time.

I just want to be able to always turn on my tap and have water come out of it. If you’ve ever lived in the country with a well, and had it go dry, or the holding tank run empty, you know how important it is to have running water on demand.

We’ll all manage just fine.

Eddie

 

[wayupnorth]

I wish we could send water to those that need it, as Maine has 95% more fresh water than it will ever need. Instead, Poland Spring bottles it and sells it as quick as it can for a nice profit.

 

[vacerator]

Good research Joe (twin tub Dexter)

yet the senator from Mars Pa. lost his bid for the nomination at least once.
More recently, two counties to the south (Washington) also conservative, held a special election, and young Connor Lamb won it. Not by much, but it's hopeful he will again in November. His opponent is rather ignorant, has not solved many problems in his career.

 

[vacerator]

Neptune Bob, very ethical, and

also a very good point!
Pro birth is not the same as pro quality of life either. Like the double standard of for the former, but against aid for impoverished children.
Do they even know what they want? They too spend like a pork barrel when it benefits their own interests or their donors, such as defense contractors, etc.
ICE was in Ohio just a few days ago indicting a Landscape company which had 140 illegals in its employ.
Which party do most business owners support because of lower taxes, etc?
Hypocracy there also.
Oh, but they tell us if we are not with them, then we are against America.

 

[washman]

Not

really sure what the fact that most of my county voted from Trump has to do with anything.

 

[vacerator]

Some parts of most of the country did,

it's not only your country either. I didn't vote for either, so there.
We all know Pa. is red in the middle and blue in Pittsburgh and Philly.
Consider Delaware, other small states with few electoral votes.
So did is past tense now.
If a candidate has proven they are rational, fair, and can solve a problem, regardless of party, I consider them before I cast my votes.
It's a new game, a new time, with new problems.
here is an interesting demographic; New Alabny Ohio, settled by folks from Albany NY originally. 64% registered democratic. Also one of the highest per capita income places in the country. Now, there city supervisor is a republican. Maybe he is good with a budget, and has common sense. Also rational, and honest. Not like the governor of Missouri who resigned last month in light of an affair, or a few from around here who are conservatives but embezeled money from their townships and companies.

 

[ea56]

Re: Reply#23

I forgot to mention that our water usage also includes a small swimming pool. Factoring that into the equation we are doing pretty good in our convservation of water already. And I know that many of our residents don’t have low water use washers, and many are not especially conservative in their water usage. So, with just a little sacrafice and adjustment the new, proposed water restrictions shouldn't be that terribly onerous.

Eddie

 

[twintubdexter]

<span style="font-size: 14pt; color: #008000;">It was a mistake for me to inject anything political into a topic here. Water conservation is important almost everywhere. Here in the ever-expanding Desert Cities the average yearly rainfall is less than 5 inches. The recent California drought is far from over but the concerned citizens of this state have done a great job of cutting back on water usage. It's not easy and in some cases expensive.  Unfortunately, an old man like me who was born here, lived all of his life here and whose parents were born in California way back in the 1920's can take offense when someone says "Why anyone would want to live in CA is beyond me". One in five of all 50 state residents live here. That's an awful lot of answers.</span>

 

[vacerator]

Yes, I agree Joe.

In fact, we don't live in California, but part of my spouses company is headqaurtered there. The part in fact which hired him, before it was sold.
He works with people all around the country. It's a big wide world out there.
I for one here am very thankful for California! Open minded and educated people can pretty much work around the world today.
One of my cousins daughters has taught English in Hong Kong, and is now in Germany.
At least now you know you're not alone, politics aside and all.

 

[ea56]

If You’re A Native Californian

you understand how we feel about our state, as I would hope natives of other states can feel about their home state.

California is a beautiful place to live. We have the Pacific Ocean, mountains, lakes, rivers, the Redwoods, desert, snow, you name it. And people from all over the world live here. It’s liberal or not so much, depending upon where you are in California. But mostly progressive. There is something for everyone here. And because its a big state, with lots of people that inhabit it, it costs a lot to keep the everything in repair, and everything else that goes along with taking care of the public needs of a highly populated state.

Plus, we get way less of our tax dollars back from the feds in funding than any other state in the union, but we pay a higher percentage than any other state to the feds. That’s at least one reason why our taxes are high.

Nevertheless, California is a wonderful place to live. Now I wish that so many other people wouldn’t discover what makes California such a nice place to live. It was better before it got so crowded.
Eddie

 

[wayupnorth]

Eddie, Too many people are discovering this place too. I dont understand why as we may get a few days of real warm weather late July and August and then rain and always crappy. I have lived here my entire life and am getting real tired of the excessive taxes and rotten weather. Snow and cold from November thru April is nuts. Want to throw my snow shovel away for good.

 

[ea56]

I here you Tim! I hate the snow. The only thing I like about it looking at it. I don’t like being cold and I do not like to drive in snow. We get a lot of rain in the winter, but that I don’t mind at all.

Eddie

 

[wayupnorth]

Eddie, if we could just get rain in the winter, I could live with it but our snow has always turned into wet cement now. March 12 and 15 we got 52". Snowblower wont work on that. I honestly wish we could send water to you as last years leaves are still saturated and cant be raked in the middle of June. Crazy. I dont want to look at snow any more either. Guess I wont bother with my a/c for a while or open my windows. Last night set a record low.

 

[lordkenmore]

As for California detractors, two thoughts come to mind. First, no place--no matter how wonderful--will be perfect for everyone. So people who hate CA can simply stay away.

 

Also it is easy for those of us who don't live there (and perhaps haven't even visited) to see nothing but the problems, because those problems get discussed to death. But the good features don't seem to get discussed anywhere nearly as often as the problems.

 

 

 

 

[lordkenmore]

It was better before it got so crowded.

 

Yes. We know that feeling here in the Pacific Northwest. We miss the days before it got so crowded up here by people moving here from CA! LOL


 

 

[lordkenmore]

Snow

I'm not terribly wild about snow. It can be pretty, and it can be a nice break from endless rain and damp cold. But...I'm neurotic about driving in it, and it can pose practical problems where I am (roads becoming impossible, plus it can result in power failures).

 

That said...there have been times I've contemplated moving to the eastern part of the state. I'm not sure I'd like dealing with the snow all winter long, but the cost of living is attractive.