Persil powder

[roscoe62]

Been using this detergent for some time now and find it rinses very well, until this morning for some reason? I checked the machine to see where it was in the cycle and the final rinse was sudsy which is very unusual. I didn't use any more than a tablespoon of detergent for a full load of towels, so I had to rerinse twice to get rid of the residue using warm water.
Anyone else experience this problem periodically?
Tks

 

[aamassther]

I would have that happen in the Bosch. It would look fine in the wash, then when it would try to spin, it would go into sudslock routine. Even with reduced amounts of soap. Towels absorb the water and soap then release as foam in the spin. It happened with all detergents, Persil is the best at rinsing, by far. Not sure why, but it's never happened in my Frigidaire , that uses less water.

 

[toploader55]

Persil

I've been using it for about 4 years now.

I have experienced the no suds suds lock thing. It happens in my Maytag not in the Miele.

It cleans great and rinses very well. But what's the deal on using STPP with it ?

I think someone said the phosphate cancels out something in the Persil Or was LCB and Persil doesn't work well ?

 

[jerrod6]

Only time I have seen a lot of suds in the final rinse it was from some fabric softeners.

 

[roscoe62]

Thank You

Now I know it's just something that happens, in my case once in a while.

 

[ronhic]

LCB and Persil doesn't work well

...from memory, it cancels out the bleaching agent already in the detergent.

 

[tomturbomatic]

I use equal parts STPP and Persil in some loads like towels to prevent spin-foam. I use equal parts of STPP with any powder detergent. I also find that addint a little STPP to liquid detergent like Cheer with Color Guard helps it rinse out better.

The older FLs like the Bendix and Westinghouse had larger diameter outer tubs so that sudsy water that was spun out of the load was able to move away from the spinning drum and not be further churned into suds. The sump and pump designs helped to pull the extracted water away faster. The spray rinse following the wash drain also helped with this situation, but we are saving water now. When I am washing tee shirts or similar loads where I want to use more detergent, I add Persil to the Tide Powder HE to keep the suds down to a few bubbles.

As to what causes the sudsing in the final rinse, have you considered that maybe the load did not balance properly for the intermittent spins so there was more detergent carried over into the rinses?

Are you by any chance nearing the bottom of the box of detergent? We sometimes noticed with the 20# box of DASH that the way the detergent settled could cause that bottom strata to be sudsier than the layers above it.

 

[roscoe62]

@tomturbomatic

I'm prone to believe that the intermittent spins may be part of the problem as I had two loads today not finish in the last spin, it wouldn't balance, so I gave it a drain/spin and then a rinse cycle to finish both loads.
As for the detergent I'm not near the of it yet, so it sounds like there could be an issue with this particular box ?

 

[toploader55]

@ Tomturbomatic...

Yup.

Equal parts of Persil and STPP. Used the Extra White Cycle on the Miele I had to put on the Sunglasses when removing the Whites to the dryer.

Thanks.

 

[launderess]

One thing we love about the AEG over our older Miele is that the former has a very sophisticated computer control system. If there is too much froth or water in a spin cycle the machine will slow down and allow the pump to get on. Once that is over it will pick up where it left off. This will be repeated until the machine senses things are good to go.

Big Bertha (the Miele) OTOH will simply slow the spin cycle but not extend. So if a spin cycle times out but the load was not properly spun due to excess froth/suds/water, tough cheese. Of course being a mechanical controlled machine one is free to reset and start again.

 

[stan]

Just a guess

but since it was a load of towels...
Maybe there was a detergent residue already in them ?

 

[roscoe62]

@stan

That could also be, I do try to get them rinsed as good as possible, I use warm water rinsing in the winter for towels, and it just seemed unusual as I haven't had this problem til now using the persil.
And the spinning may also be part of the problem,as Launderess has mentioned her own situation,so I guess it is part of the front load usage to be aware that it happens from time to time.
Tks Again

 

[tomturbomatic]

I love my Mieles

Launderess, I have noticed that difference between the Miele W1918 and the W1986. If towels give the W1986 any difficulty in the first spin after the wash, it does the best it can and then adds an extra rinse which takes care of the whole problem. The time remaining countdown changes and everything. The solid state motor control allows the W1986 to do gradual spin accelerations which allow the pump to keep up with froth being spun out of the load.