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kenmoreguy89
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Sudsmaster & Supersuds
I apologize.
I'm sure that the initial post I have written was addressed to Sudsmaster, but as I idiotically deleted the posts and quite did a mess probably by scrolling yet another time my brain got confused, it was also late at night and I was not in the best shape.
I apologize.
I'm sure that the initial post I have written was addressed to Sudsmaster, but as I idiotically deleted the posts and quite did a mess probably by scrolling yet another time my brain got confused, it was also late at night and I was not in the best shape.
kenmoreguy89
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Yes Launderess that's exactly so....
They're different compounds but with a common goal...or almost, say a few dickers of difference in degrees.[this post was last edited: 3/28/2015-12:47]
They're different compounds but with a common goal...or almost, say a few dickers of difference in degrees.[this post was last edited: 3/28/2015-12:47]
I'm glad that you now have the opportunity to choose for another premium detergent on you market, and for those who already loved Persil in your front loaders that you are now able to get it for much less money.
I agree with Launderess.
Until now European detergents are formulated to perform much better in front loaders than American detergents, even HE one. Maybe now with Persil from Dial/Henkel the times has changed.
I'm talking from my experiences. I collect detergents from all around the World and have try plenty of them. I don't agree that American detergents (both regular and HE) performs equally in a front loader or even beats an European detergent.
Different formulation (less multienzymes, no oxygen bleach and activators...), High dilution, Suds and much less (or even total absence) of Anti-redeposition agents ...etc. etc. All this are the reasons an American detergent cannot be the same as a European one.
And frankly this is normal. This is not Europe vs. America or America vs. Europe, it is not the fashion of Europe being "trendy". This is just the fact that every product is designed to work better in its environment.
And it's not that Persil is overrated to unthinkable, it's just that now has been offered to Americans something new on their shelves, a detergent with a European formulation.
Ingemar
I agree with Launderess.
Until now European detergents are formulated to perform much better in front loaders than American detergents, even HE one. Maybe now with Persil from Dial/Henkel the times has changed.
I'm talking from my experiences. I collect detergents from all around the World and have try plenty of them. I don't agree that American detergents (both regular and HE) performs equally in a front loader or even beats an European detergent.
Different formulation (less multienzymes, no oxygen bleach and activators...), High dilution, Suds and much less (or even total absence) of Anti-redeposition agents ...etc. etc. All this are the reasons an American detergent cannot be the same as a European one.
And frankly this is normal. This is not Europe vs. America or America vs. Europe, it is not the fashion of Europe being "trendy". This is just the fact that every product is designed to work better in its environment.
And it's not that Persil is overrated to unthinkable, it's just that now has been offered to Americans something new on their shelves, a detergent with a European formulation.
Ingemar
kenmoreguy89
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Then we'll have to agree to disagreement Ingemar, from my experience I found many american detergents to beat european detergents about cleanliness and Persil is one of beated ones...but that's a matter that came after.
Not sure how it came to be your eyes an "America vs Europe or Europe vs America" matter, my Initial comment was about Persil and the fact that I don't find it *that* great (as many claims) about cleaning and don't quite get all the boasting about better whites or getting stuff more clean like nothing before, in any machine you use it ..then all that came after is just general discussion about detergents...
Nobody said Euro powders are not designed better to work in a front loader, they're for sure, but as not everyone has a front loader and Persil is indeed sold as "all type machine" product on par with HE I speak generally, and again, for example I found Tide and Ariel to provide better whites and clean than Persil both the Tide Powder and Liquid respectively to Dixan/persil and in all machines i used it in..
Findings.....
And again, many American detergents do have oxygen bleaches and NOBS activators are found in P&G's, enzymes like Lipase in particular formulations like regular high sudsing powders and also HE are not much needed as fat is supposed to be got rid off from the greater surfactans and so is, same is with Amylase, Cellulase is found in TOL (like it's here) and is just to get rid of lint, high diluition matter I clearly said that in the US you have hybrid formulas the HE are indeed hybrid and meant to work in both machines types so just not specifically made for Front loaders like Euro powders are ,anti rediposition are pretty much the same...but I agree that in a front loader the difference in formula and a specifical low diluition may be more substantial...but what i found to be with Persil and specifically in the results was not that big to justify the boasting it had IMO, especially about cleaning ability! As I didn't find any difference for else and it rather sucks at cleaning vs say Tide cuz cannot remove certain stains and dirts that with Tide or Gain and Ariel I never had left. Can I have an opinion????
What it is and it's not is nothing but an opinion, I have mine you have yours, for me Persil got overrated like pretty much all that comes from Europe just cuz "hey it comes from Europe"!
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Not sure how it came to be your eyes an "America vs Europe or Europe vs America" matter, my Initial comment was about Persil and the fact that I don't find it *that* great (as many claims) about cleaning and don't quite get all the boasting about better whites or getting stuff more clean like nothing before, in any machine you use it ..then all that came after is just general discussion about detergents...
Nobody said Euro powders are not designed better to work in a front loader, they're for sure, but as not everyone has a front loader and Persil is indeed sold as "all type machine" product on par with HE I speak generally, and again, for example I found Tide and Ariel to provide better whites and clean than Persil both the Tide Powder and Liquid respectively to Dixan/persil and in all machines i used it in..
Findings.....
And again, many American detergents do have oxygen bleaches and NOBS activators are found in P&G's, enzymes like Lipase in particular formulations like regular high sudsing powders and also HE are not much needed as fat is supposed to be got rid off from the greater surfactans and so is, same is with Amylase, Cellulase is found in TOL (like it's here) and is just to get rid of lint, high diluition matter I clearly said that in the US you have hybrid formulas the HE are indeed hybrid and meant to work in both machines types so just not specifically made for Front loaders like Euro powders are ,anti rediposition are pretty much the same...but I agree that in a front loader the difference in formula and a specifical low diluition may be more substantial...but what i found to be with Persil and specifically in the results was not that big to justify the boasting it had IMO, especially about cleaning ability! As I didn't find any difference for else and it rather sucks at cleaning vs say Tide cuz cannot remove certain stains and dirts that with Tide or Gain and Ariel I never had left. Can I have an opinion????
What it is and it's not is nothing but an opinion, I have mine you have yours, for me Persil got overrated like pretty much all that comes from Europe just cuz "hey it comes from Europe"!
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"Not sure how it came to be your eyes an "America vs Europe or Europe vs America" matter"
"for me Persil got overrated like pretty much all that comes from Europe!"
There! You said it yourself!
"for me Persil got overrated like pretty much all that comes from Europe!"
There! You said it yourself!
A simple trick for reducing suds in a front loader for an American "HE Compatible" labeled detergent... just add some granulated or grated plain soap. Ivory bar soap would do. This will help to suppress suds while actually aiding cleaning to some extent. I suppose teaspoon would do, might take some trial and error.
I say this because listed in the ingredients for the Walmart Persil powders is soap. And from previous info from Laundress, Persil has long added soap to its powdered detergents to help prevent over-sudsing.
As for Euro vs American technology... let's just say these are different regions with different practices and different needs. Because of the lingering preponderance of high dilution low temp top loading washers in the USA, American laundry detergents always seem to be a bit of a compromise between providing the level of suds that an American consumer wants to see in a top loader, and the suds control a front loader needs. There are additional differences revolving around wash temp, wash cycle length, and spin speeds, that affect how a detergent will behave even in an American designed front loader vs. a European designed front loader. I probably wouldn't use Persil in a high dilution top loader. It might work OK, but I think an old style higher sudsing detergent may be better for that. Take your pick!
I say this because listed in the ingredients for the Walmart Persil powders is soap. And from previous info from Laundress, Persil has long added soap to its powdered detergents to help prevent over-sudsing.
As for Euro vs American technology... let's just say these are different regions with different practices and different needs. Because of the lingering preponderance of high dilution low temp top loading washers in the USA, American laundry detergents always seem to be a bit of a compromise between providing the level of suds that an American consumer wants to see in a top loader, and the suds control a front loader needs. There are additional differences revolving around wash temp, wash cycle length, and spin speeds, that affect how a detergent will behave even in an American designed front loader vs. a European designed front loader. I probably wouldn't use Persil in a high dilution top loader. It might work OK, but I think an old style higher sudsing detergent may be better for that. Take your pick!
kenmoreguy89
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Ahahahahah!
Louis...how does that make it so???
It's not a secret that the Made in Europe is trendy, and you have folks getting nuts when they read something comes from Europe even though in the US you already have stuff much greater...
That is not an America vs Europe matter....unless you've a guilty coscience.
Louis...how does that make it so???
It's not a secret that the Made in Europe is trendy, and you have folks getting nuts when they read something comes from Europe even though in the US you already have stuff much greater...
That is not an America vs Europe matter....unless you've a guilty coscience.
As they say, denial is not only a river in Egypt!
kenmoreguy89
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Yes, soap bar will reduce sudsing to some extent but it will not last longer and soon it will start to build up again, you have better luck adding some more silicone or whetever oil for longer lasting foam suppression.
Said that, I agree that every detergent is made of course for what you've in a country, as stated previously I don't think the temperature plays a big role, not anymore, because as I said you've now powders now that in both sides of the pond will now work in warm water (20-40C),in both sides of the pond percarbonate is the main bleach you find in detergents vs Perborate that once only was...and always less people will now do washes above 60 (140 F).
A US top loader like many US FL will likely never reach boiling point nor I find a TL needs to, with a top loader as a FL W/out heater you're limited in case your heater don't or for whatever other reason you cannot reach a proper wash temperature to get a plain oxy bleach working, here comes activators.. different yes as you've different variants, europe's machines always heats the water, US not so you may have folks that for the reasons said before cannot reach a proper temp, hence why P&G developped NOBS that will guarantee a sort of acceptable action even in cool so covering pretty much all situations, situations that in Europe due to heating machines will likely never happen, not a case this technology is the same as japan, where as we all know machines don't typically do washes above what comes from your cold water tap only.
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Said that, I agree that every detergent is made of course for what you've in a country, as stated previously I don't think the temperature plays a big role, not anymore, because as I said you've now powders now that in both sides of the pond will now work in warm water (20-40C),in both sides of the pond percarbonate is the main bleach you find in detergents vs Perborate that once only was...and always less people will now do washes above 60 (140 F).
A US top loader like many US FL will likely never reach boiling point nor I find a TL needs to, with a top loader as a FL W/out heater you're limited in case your heater don't or for whatever other reason you cannot reach a proper wash temperature to get a plain oxy bleach working, here comes activators.. different yes as you've different variants, europe's machines always heats the water, US not so you may have folks that for the reasons said before cannot reach a proper temp, hence why P&G developped NOBS that will guarantee a sort of acceptable action even in cool so covering pretty much all situations, situations that in Europe due to heating machines will likely never happen, not a case this technology is the same as japan, where as we all know machines don't typically do washes above what comes from your cold water tap only.
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kenmoreguy89
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My dear Louis...I didn't deny just anything!
I tried the Persil "Intense Fresh" powder again yesterday, this time on bed sheets and bed spread. It worked well enough, but the scent was too lingering strong for my taste. I might try the original scent next time; the reason why I got the Intense Fresh was because it came in a larger bottle which worked out to less per ounce than the smaller bottle. Of course that's assuming the original scent is less powerful than the Intense Fresh scent.
behzad
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It's good.
I just did my jeans load using mom's Electrolux top load washer
Henkel is almost everywhere, for those which sold in the Us. Scottsdale, AZ
by the way I really like the nice smell after each load all over the house.
BJ
I just did my jeans load using mom's Electrolux top load washer
Henkel is almost everywhere, for those which sold in the Us. Scottsdale, AZ
by the way I really like the nice smell after each load all over the house.
BJ
dustin92
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Ahem...
I'm using both the liquid and pearls in a traditional top loader (Kenmore DD) and it works excellent in all temperatures. Has removed all stains I've been able to manufacture. Whites are coming out brighter than they've ever been. Really like the original scent in both the powder and liquid. I've been using the recommended amount or less for most loads. I haven't used the powder at all in the front loader, but what I've used of the liquid in the front loader has been great; I can see sticking with Persil long term, it's excellent detergent all around. I will be using a Whirlpool Cabrio HE washer for most of our laundry over the summer, so will see how it works in that, excellent I expect.
I'm using both the liquid and pearls in a traditional top loader (Kenmore DD) and it works excellent in all temperatures. Has removed all stains I've been able to manufacture. Whites are coming out brighter than they've ever been. Really like the original scent in both the powder and liquid. I've been using the recommended amount or less for most loads. I haven't used the powder at all in the front loader, but what I've used of the liquid in the front loader has been great; I can see sticking with Persil long term, it's excellent detergent all around. I will be using a Whirlpool Cabrio HE washer for most of our laundry over the summer, so will see how it works in that, excellent I expect.
I agree
This is the "no problem" detergent. Doesn't need anything added. Doesn't have trouble dissolving. Doesn't have an overwhelming scent. Doesn't have too many suds. Good rinsing. Gets everything clean. It just gets the job done.
FWIW, I have not noticed any issues with fading as suggested by those who miss the formula for darks, though I'm not washing anything delicate.
This is the "no problem" detergent. Doesn't need anything added. Doesn't have trouble dissolving. Doesn't have an overwhelming scent. Doesn't have too many suds. Good rinsing. Gets everything clean. It just gets the job done.
FWIW, I have not noticed any issues with fading as suggested by those who miss the formula for darks, though I'm not washing anything delicate.
If only the folks at Persil knew a thread about their American detergent was closing in on 7,000 views... Can't buy that kind of buzz!
mich
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I've never been more surprised in my life...
At the power of a Liquid Detergent.
Tonight. I washed a load of Sheets drenched in pink lemonade, greasy (food) oil and pizza sauce. Best Part, it had a whole 3 days to sit in.
This load screamed Bleach, Bleach, Bleach. Literally. I would never in a million years, thought a liquid without any sort of oxygen would clean through this. It's Pizza Sauce, a Dye. And then there was the Lemonade... Another Food Dye. All Dried In.
And... with just one little Persil Pod, and no pretreating. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">All OF IT came out.</span> I stood there, searching everywhere for a trace of the stain, and couldn't find any of it.
I can't say how shocked I am. This really is unbelievable for me. I've always considered Liquid Detergents to be middle/lower performers, but this stuff, takes the cake. It performs beautifully even without Oxiclean or STPP.
Time will only tell. But... I can't say.. I've ever been this excited/surprised before. These Persil Pods are really good.
/End Story/
At the power of a Liquid Detergent.
Tonight. I washed a load of Sheets drenched in pink lemonade, greasy (food) oil and pizza sauce. Best Part, it had a whole 3 days to sit in.
This load screamed Bleach, Bleach, Bleach. Literally. I would never in a million years, thought a liquid without any sort of oxygen would clean through this. It's Pizza Sauce, a Dye. And then there was the Lemonade... Another Food Dye. All Dried In.
And... with just one little Persil Pod, and no pretreating. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">All OF IT came out.</span> I stood there, searching everywhere for a trace of the stain, and couldn't find any of it.
I can't say how shocked I am. This really is unbelievable for me. I've always considered Liquid Detergents to be middle/lower performers, but this stuff, takes the cake. It performs beautifully even without Oxiclean or STPP.
Time will only tell. But... I can't say.. I've ever been this excited/surprised before. These Persil Pods are really good.
/End Story/
Walmart and Persil - The Real Gritty-Nitty
Those darned Walmart people are putting the squeeze on P&G!
Those darned Walmart people are putting the squeeze on P&G!
Few days ago I ran a small load of grungy white (and one pink) old bath towels used for car washing and such. Calypso, Normal cycle, Heavy soil level, with Soak option (16 mins lead-in to the wash period), approx 135°F input water. 2.5 tablespoons of the Persil powder with nothing added. These towels are old and a bit ragged but otherwise don't (normally) have any set stains. There were a few road-grime spots remaining somewhat noticeable on a couple of the towels but the results are otherwise good. Notably there's no lingering Persil scent.
Good to hear the Persil pods work so well on soiled sheets.
I can't help wondering, however, is what you were doing eating pizza and drinking pink lemonade in bed... LOL... ?
I can't help wondering, however, is what you were doing eating pizza and drinking pink lemonade in bed... LOL... ?
