Persils Arrived (finally)

[roscoe62]

Tide / Ariel

Tide is a good product here in North America, the powdered version that is, but after some use the white clothes takes a beating, it gets dull, so I'm hoping the Persils will continue to make a difference?
I've only used Persils once so far and can see where it has removed stains that would have required pretreatment even with the Tide powder.So time will see the Persils .

 

[launderess]

Unless Things Are Different "Up North"

Tide powder is not nearly as a complex detergent as the liquids, and certainly nothing like Persil (powdered, Megaperls or liquid/gels).

Tide powder only contains one enzyme "protease" versus the several in all versions of Persil, except "Perwoll".

 

[roscoe62]

@Up North

Launderess ,

Do you have the same problem with the Tide liquid as I do, suds?

Would more than one enzyme in Tide make it more like Persils,less sudsy and by chance does more than one enzyme help keep white clothes whiter than other detergents ?
I can't figure it out why this is such an issue, if these machines are made to be efficient why can't the manufacturers just make a detergent that works for everyone and have it done with.

Thanks for your help.
Cheers

 

[launderess]

Previous Versions of Tide Liquids

Even those marked "HE", much like the powders always created too much froth IMHO. However the latest incarnation of Tide "Free and Gentle" *HE* seems to have suds under control.

Unlike the "2X" liquid version was using before, this product seems to be low sudsing and rinses cleanly. It also has zero scent, unlike the non-scent "perfume" used before. Cleaning performance is right up there with Persil or Ariel "Acti-lift", far as one is concerned. Soaked several loads of dirty table linens so far and each have come out quite clean, with all stains removed. Only rinsing was required afterwards.

L.

 

[3beltwesty]

Remember old 1990's Persil Power recalls?

Persil Power had/has the issue with lawsuits too. One had folks clothes falling apart. There were some mid 1990's lawsuits over this issue. One had Proctor and Gamble publicity that Unilevers Persil power's accelerator ruined clothes/

http://brandfailures.blogspot.com/2006/11/brand-idea-failures-persil-power.html

 

[launderess]

That Would Be The "Activated" Oxygen Bleach of the T

IIRC it was some sort of maganese (sp?) based chemical and yes, it did a number on many a poor wash load. Product was quickly pulled off the shelves and now the only two oxgyen bleach activators in common use are NBOS and TAED.

P&G owns several patents for NBOS based oxgyen bleaching systems, which is why you only see it on their brands such as Tide, Gain and Cheer "with bleach".

TAED bleaching systems are used by both Henkel, Unilever, and IIRC P&G amoung others all over Europe. IIRC, the reason for this is that TAED is better suited to soils and stains found on that side of the pond, and the longer wash cycles with hot or boiling water.

NBOS bleaching systems are better suited to the dilute (read top loading washing machines)water conditions, as well as "tap" hot or "warm" water. Indeed while both TAED and NBOS actived bleaching systems are designed to work in "warm" or even cool water, the later has a lower threshold that is will work at <104F. Again given American top loading washing machines did not nor do have built in heaters, the water temp is always going to be a mix of several factors, none of which are accurate.