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For something completely different....

My oldest son made a day of it at the Peterson Automotive Museum in Los Angeles, California. This is one of the finest car museums in the world. It is housed, believe it or not, in what used to be the old Orbach's departnment store, so central escalators are still there!

Do many here know what this gem is?
 
It's one of the few...

...surviving Chrysler Gas Turbine Cars!

Several dozen were made, given to people for 90 day periods to evaluate, and then they were all supposed to be destroyed (idiotic thinking for cars so nicely crafted, with bodies by Ghia no less). 9 survived, and I think most all of them run! I believe most are owned by Chrysler. They probably didn't want the hassle of servicing them, so they had most of them destroyed.

Testers loved the car, although almost everyone complained about the car's sluggishness. 0-60 times in 9 or 10 seconds could be accomplished if you let the turbine "spin up", but people weren't doing that, and I can't imagine them wanting to.

I always thought it looked like part Dodge Dart, and part 1963 Landau T-Bird. Of course, if memory serves me, the Dick Tracy Copmobile too. (From Ideal).
 
Is that an experimental Chrysler turbine-powered car from the 1960's?

And inquiring minds want to know if this museum houses a 1948 Tucker Torpedo as well! ;-)
 
That is a 1963 Chrysler Experimental Turtbine Car

One of about 500 (if memory serves correctly) that was loaned out to certain consumers for a year long trial to gage public reaction to using a turbine car as a daily driver. This was one of a long line of Chryslers experimental turbine cars (they started experimenting with turbine power in the early 50's if memory serves) but what makes this different from the ones made up until 1963 is the fact that unlike previous turbine models Chrysler made, this one had its own styling where the previous ones were put into production Chysler Corp. bodies that were modified to take the turbine engine. AM I remembering right or not? PATRICK COFFEY
 
Remember your Hot Wheels?!

There was a nice exhibit around Hot Wheels. Kind of mind blowing from an art direction perspective.

Huge wall prints of the original, "Red Line" Hot Wheels box art made up backgrounds for an outrageously good exhibit. There were boxed versions of every single original Hot Wheel car. There were track and accessory displays.

The most amazing part: Remember the age of the "Funny Car" dragster, especially the "Snake and Mongoose" funny cars? Mattel made versions of both, sold special sets around them. At this exhibit, an original Snake Hot Wheel is in a glass case, next to, unbelievably, the original Snake Funny Car. This was the first time this has ever happened. The Mongoose is right next to it also.
 
Anyone who collected...

Hot Wheels in the first season had a Deora. The Deora was that futuristic cab forward pickup with the removable surfboards in back. I still have my original, slightly damaged purple one. So I look at a car on display and think, wow, that looks like a Deora. It's the Deora II!

Get a load of the wall print behind it...a replication of the Loop Accessory Pak.
 
Outside the Hot Wheels

Hall of Fame,

Lies Richard Carpenter's 1971 Plymouth Road Runner, with 426 Hemi and Air Grabber hood. This model is also outfitted with the black "Strobe Stripe", and orange and black interior. If a 1971 Schwinn Orange Krate bicycle grew up into a car, it would have been this one.
 
Westy....

When I went to this museum about 6 years ago (how time flies) they DID have a Tucker. This was the first one I had seen. You could get right up to it. It was very nice, although it was not perfect.

They rotate the cars in and out, and have storage in the basement. This building is 4 floors but the basement, so it was such a wild and great idea to put a museum into it.

Art Arfonz's Green Monster land speed car is in the (covered) parking lot! Also is an extremely bizarre 40s vintage "5th wheel" trailer and super bizarre "puller" car/truck that I had seen in books before and could not believe it was on display...like all 40 feet of it!
 
Kevin, where is this place? I must visit sometime. I've heard of May, Robinson, Broadway, Bullocks, and Buffums, but not Orbach's.
 
Scott-

Yes, "that" Richard Carpenter, as in the brother of the late, lamented (at least by me- loved her voice!) Karen, is indeed a "car guy."

Sometimes I am a car guy, sometimes not.

Also, the Chrysler Turbine was said to get really lousy milage.

(When I had a car, I always had a Chrysler product.)

Thanks for sharing the pictures, Kevin.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
Saw it...

My father took my brother and me to see the turbine car when it was in Phoenix. The spokesman went through all the details of the car. Including balancing a dime, on its edge, on the air intake, then reving the engine. The dime didn't move. He took a silver dollar and tried to balance it on the air cleaner of a new Imperial, the dollar wouldn't stay balanced. I recall him saying the car could run on kerosene, or in an emergency, if say you were perfume salesman, just dump your samples in the tank and it would run on that.

We all got a chance to put our hands under the exhaust and it was cool, not hot like the Imperials. The engine used two spinning discs to capture the heat from the exhaust and heat the incoming air to the engine.

Also, check your local hobby shops and the web, you can still get models of this car of the future!
 
Who cares what kind of mileage it gets--that turbine car is coooooooool!

Life-size Hot Wheels? Man, I gotta go there. Whenever I think of the classic Red Line HWs, the Deora is always the first to spring to mind. My favorite was the one in "antifreeze". Loved the Beatnik Bandit, too.

Mattel has reissued some of the original Hot Wheels sets, called Hot Wheels Classics. I snagged a near duplicate of the one I got for Christmas '68. They changed the launcher and the finish gate, but I can deal with that. Mattel committed an absolutely heinous sin, though:

The track connectors are WHITE!

I can't begin to explain just how wrong that is.

veg
 
The Chrysler turbine car was demonstrated INSIDE a shopping mall here. The engine burned so clean that there was little risk of filling the place with fumes. My Father saw the car at the mall when it was on demo, and saw many of the tricks you speak of, like the dime trick and such.

I wonder how good turbine engines would work today with the advent of computer controls, and more importantly, continuously variable automatic transmissions. With a CVT, turbine speed could stay constant, while the vehicle speed varies
 
Chrysler turbines & Saturn EV1

Sounds like the same fate occured with the Chrysler turbine cars that happened with the Saturn EV1. GM did not outright sell the EV1 to customers, but instead only leased them. They just recently cancelled all leases and took the cars back. Instead of offering them for sale to the users, they scrapped all of the vehicles except for a handful. It was well over 5000 vehicles with state of the art electric technology!
 
Misc Notes

Carpenter is an outstanding collector, and has been profiled in "Collectible Automobile".

Carpenter has every model of the Chrysler 300 Letter Series cars (and he loves the "F" the most, which is my favorite) and a number of Hemi vehicles.

Scott---The museum is write on the "Miracle Mile" area of Los Angeles, on Wilshire, I think they are calling it Museum Square now. The super moderne, gorgeous May Company building was spared demolition and turned into an art museum! It is right across the street.

Joe--Amazing link. I have NEVER seen this site before. Many thanks, I am just starting to dig into it.
 
I've actually heard a Chrysler Turbine car running. It was up at Pebble Beach about five years ago. It sounded much like you'd expect - a big vacuum cleaner, but not as loud as some ;).
 
I saw one of the turbine cars...

The test mentioned above took place while I was in high school. I lived in Detroit and was highly interested in the automotive industry, so I was aware that the test was taking place. One day while I was hitch-hiking home from school, one of these cars came southbound on Kelly Rd in East Detroit, and turned west on 8-Mile (yes, *that* 8-Mile) right past me. Other than the turbine whine, it was not so different from mid-60's Chrysler products. But it was a big thrill for me. The only bigger thrill would have been if the driver had given me a ride, but that didn't happen.
 
And a question...

Is this actually the PeterSEN Automotive Museum, run by Petersen Publications? (HotRod, MotorCycle, and IIRC several more automotive magazines) I have this dim recollection of going to an automotive museum about 30 years ago that was called this, but it was in Orange County somewhere, close to an airport, close to the interchange of I-5 and I-405. Help me remember more clearly.
 
nurdlinger...

Yes it is, and you are right, I have misspelled it. It's Petersen. Since I live here and have been there a number of times, you would think I would get that right.

The only museum I remember in Orange County--and I could be wrong, was the small but wonderful Briggs Cunningham museum in Costa Mesa.

Try this and see if it jogs your memory:

http://www.river-road.net/oldcars/cunningham/index.htm
They had a number of Cunningham cars, and a bunch of others. It was essentially one big room. It closed years back.

Here is a fun story. I went with my dad before they closed. (we had no idea that by the next year they would be gone). We were admiring a Duesenberg Model J when an older gentleman approached us, and was just a fountain of knowledge. I thought he was just a bystander. He went into elaborate detail about how that car could lube all its points by turning a switch on the dash. He took us through every control on the engine turned dash.

Then he just said let me show you something, and took us back into the shop, where no one was allowed but workers. They were in the process of completing another Duesenberg and the paint was amazing. I remember I kept nudging my dad to STOP! touching the cars. He was like a little kid in there.

The gentleman said that there was also an opportunity, but only if I was committed. They had a small group of volunteers that adopted one of the cars. When you adopted it, you were responsible for waxing, detailing and maintaining the signage for "your car". This included wiping up any drippings when you came in, the total package. Just keep it super nice. The amazing part was that every month you were also responsible for starting your car, and driving it around the parking lot (he told me they cheated and would drive them down the street and back) to keep the cars in driveable shape. You could also help in restoring cars.

Of course like an idiot, I never signed up for it. As we were leaving this very special, spur of the moment tour, I shook hands with the gentleman and he told me he was John W. Burgess. I knew his name was familiar, and he mentioned he had written for Road and Track.

Later research showed that he was a contributing editor for years at R & T, had written books about Cunningham, and I believe had been a friend of his.

And I blew getting to know him more and adopting a car.

This was right up there with a gent at the Flying Museum in Chino telling me I could help with the restoration of their N-9 flying wing, and I never got back to him.
http://www.warbirdforum.com/n9m.htm
:-(

http://www.petersen.org/
 
New York World's Fair

Kevinpreston8

Back in the mid 60's while living in Washington D.C. our father took us twice to the New York World's Fair (summers of '65 and '66). The second time we had the chance to see many Gas Turbine cars running at the Chrysler Pavillion, where there was a test circuit. And you could even queue for a test ride! But this was at the end of our second or third day, when we had already had had up to here with queues, and we just stood there mesmerized for more than half an hour watching the cars being driven in the circuit. There must have been something like 10 or 12 turbine cars, and if I am not mistaken, they were all the same color as the fotograph. I was 14 Y.O. at the time, I already loved cars, and I will never forget the experience. The sound these cars made is unforgettable! SWOOOOOOSHHHHHH!!!!
 
Thanks Kevin, I'm looking forward to checking that out.

That's interesting to learn about Richard Carpenter. With Karen now gone so long, one sometimes forgets that he's still here with us, and I had never known of this hobby of his.
 
Nevermind (LOL) I see Kevin posted the link too! It was at the very bottom of his post and I didn't see it!
 
Is this museum owned by the former owner of Peterson Publishing co-now Primemedia-that owns most of the magazines published in the US.I can't remember the name-I just remember him as Peterson-he loved cars and guns.Supposedly has a large gun collection as well.and he did lots of big game hunting.He used to own gun related magazines such as Guns&Ammo,Hunting,Handguns,Rifle shooter.He also owned some automotive magazines,too.I subscribed to the gun related books.
 
KevinP

Briggs Cunningham Museum is indeed the place I was thinking about. On exhibit there the time I went was some car (don't remember which) along with a posting of a magazine piece from "CARtoons" magazine that featured the car. I was excited as I remembered the article from reading it in that magazine. My female companion, who had needed exceptional coaxing to accompany me, never heard of the magazine, nor the car, and was supremely bored with the entire outing. I think that CARtoons was a Petersen magazine, and this left me with the mistaken memory that it had been their museum.
 
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