Philisophical question on vintage appliance love/lust

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isn't it great that we all: gay, straight, mechanics, butterfingers, collectors, users, knowledgeable, and not so (me!) have a place to come together to share and learn about this great hobby! I've made friends here and it's opened new hozizons, I'm very grateful for AWO... thank you Robert and all of you!!!!!!!
 
This is a very interesting thread. I stumbled into it by accident, so I hope you won't mind a "non-regular" adding his two cents. I am a straight man, but I don't judge others. For whatever it's worth, I can appreciate the "beauty" of attractive male bodies, (perhaps because I enjoy working out at the gym and changing my own body) but homosexual acts are not appealing to me, nor is the average dude. HOWEVER, in terms of how I'd feel about someone who did enjoy them, it's about as important to me whether you like Coke or Pepsi (I like Iced Tea, lol).

I am a pretty "sexual" person, and have been with a lot of women, although many of them haven't fit the traditional male stereotype of petite little spinners. Rather I've always preferred more of a sturdy-built woman, with a solid chest under full breasts, 5'8-6ft+ Give me a set of tall, big muscular thighs and calves over short bird-legs any day. It also works out well when you have to move large appliances, or smash down walls for remodeling. (see pic) I'm 5'10, 245lbs so it's also not some desire to be "dominated".

It extends to a woman's personality too... Can't stand little princesses who are afraid to break a nail. In the "hetro" world, these preferences are enough for insecure alphas to paint you with a wide gay brush. I couldn't give a shit, don't like stupid people anyways; but I can't help but notice. Included in this, I actually despise the dominance of pro-sports in our culture, yet being in-shape, muscular and able to fight if needed are important to me. Anyways, the point is I guess I'm not the typical straight guy in the eyes of some. No kids yet, but not automatically opposed if the right woman comes along, and I think that may have finally happened.

Whenever I stop in here, I always end up killing hours looking at the old appliances and reading the threads. I own almost a dozen old cars, and one brand-new "retro" car. I work in the auto industry in a very technical job, which I enjoy quite a bit. I've don't have a single TV in my house made after 1989, (all US-made Zeniths) and I wouldn't buy a stainless Chinese piece of crap appliance at gunpoint. I have a Frigidare Flair stored away for my dream house.

I remember being fascinated with appliances as a young child. Photos circa 1974 show me pushing around vacuum cleaner wands and pretending they're connected. I can remember being 3-4 years old and thinking my grandmother's baby-blue Kenmore canister looked "plain" so I made fancy nameplates for it with paper/crayons, and attached them with tape.

I guess I'm rambling a bit. I've come to this site for years and gotten some very good repair help from the message boards. That's what brought me here today, but this is the first thread I've ever seen that questioned the gay/appliance connection. Coming here as a straight guy, I felt like a minority within a minority, but everyone has always been nice. Just thought I'd add my $.02

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Well, it still begs the question, why these appliances having to do with cleaning and particularly things usually related to "women's work". I totally understand the plug in power thing, but why a washer, instead of... I dunno... a powersaw or drill press or something of that nature.
 
I think it's as much about inspired industrial design as it is watching what the machines do when they go through their paces and the desire to understand the mechanics behind it.  It's the automation thing.

 

Power tools didn't have bling or glitz factors like household machines, and a drill or a saw that only does one thing can't compete in complexity with a washer that goes through numerous different routines and varies them from cycle option to cycle option.  About the closest you'll come to a power tool inside the average home is a KitchenAid stand mixer.
 
Don't think

"woman's work" has a thing to do with it!

Its has something more to do with mechanical function, and style, Most of us here don't do non functional!

As it shows in Robert and Freds "My crazy Obsession" episode, if there was one little sound that a machine made, that was not right, it was dealt with right away (to keep it functional) Or how many time threads are " Im trying to save this once beautiful piece of machinery, Help!" Look at how many of us have vintage autos here! I do, and I drive it!

As I said up thread, think about how we have each have had to save ourselves in some way? To find ourselves WORHTY
It's not difficult for us to see something that that can't hurt us, see it as ''worthy" and save it from destruction.

I'm not positive about this but I'm positive that 'woman's work" is not it! LOL
 
It's kind of an enigma to me. I have an incredible fascination with laundry appliances. I think it stems from growing up in lower middle class Boston where my family had to find the next good $50 washing machine, in the bargain hunters guide, to keep the dirty laundry generated by our family of nine from piling up to the ceiling off the cellar floor, when our current machine took an irreperable dump. I saw lots of them com in and go by... I am not sure why this place seems to be such an attraction to gay men but that's OK. Which would be really strange to most of the gay men here because I am slightly to the right of Pat Buchannan! And I am a conservative Christian. I have found many of the gay guys here to be some of the most helpful and informative people on the site. They are great guys. I may not agree with them, but I don't have to.
 
Power tools-sorry to drift off the original subject---you should have seen the attachments for electric drills in the 50's--you could use your drill for a jigsaw,sawzall,circular saw,even-----an air compresser!so attachments for drills was the same idea as attachments for mixers-to make it a multi-use tool.You don't see these attachments for drills anymore.
 
BadgerBob,

I think most on this site have a fascination with power tool, mowers, etc. It just doesn't come up as often because this is not a power tool site, but an appliance site.

I have a collection of GE power tools that they made in the late sixties. They were really cool, with a Main power unit, and inter changeable heads for a 3/8 inch drill, a 1/4 drill, a sander and jig saw. They also made a circular power saw which was not interchangeable, but neat nevertheless.

Until recently, I had a 1972 GE Elec-Trak E-15 electric lawn tractor.

So, I think the fascination, in many cases is for all things mechanical/electrical.

BTW. In one of the other threads you posted a picture of you and your horse. You are both photogenic. Do you have just one horse or several?
 
Bob, as I stated in my previous post, I also collect other things like lawn mowers and vintage HiFi as well as vintage cars I know some members here do it too... I still think many guys, gay or straight are interested in washing machines and dishwashers but because of the stereotypical association of these appliances with females, I think some straight guys aren't as comfortable with that than most gays are, since gays already have to get over some similar "embarrassing" situations as they don't have a conventional life. Otherwise, gays wouldn't have to do such things as "coming out"...

I think it's just like girls who like to play hockey or football, guys who like figure skating or ballet... They all have to overcome something as being non-conventional to do what they like.
 
When's the last time

. . . anybody saw an appliance repairwoman?   This is an interest of men almost exclusively.  Sexual preference is not a factor among professionals, or certainly hasn't been in my experience.  There is only one repair visit over a period of many years where I can recall my gaydar kicking in, and that happened within the last year.  Other than that, they have all been straight.


 

 
 
Implications of "women's work"

Just to clarify, I wasn't implying sexual orientation of anyone by mentioning "women's work"... In the original post opening this thread, I noted the dichotomy of an appliance, geared, styled and featured to appeal to women, but almost always designed and purchased by men. I think there is little wonder why so many of our beloved washers seem heavily influenced by automotive designs at the time. Some even have fins!... (agitator humour). Of course, GM, AMC, Ford, and Crosley (& probably others) also all had their appliance division and I wouldn't be surprised if some designers did double duty.

I would offer up that part of the appeal is that because many of us, as our earliest/fondest childhood memories, remember watching our stay-at-home mothers, inarguably the primary caretaker of past, doing the household chores. Combine that with a boy's inevitable love of "Gizmos"... and the resulting appeal of Washers, dryers (not as cool, because as Gansky1 so obviously stated they don't have water, suds, etc and we love playing in the water), vacuums, toasters, blenders, mix-masters and egg beaters (and the promise of cakebatter or icing to lick from the bowl and beaters)... Gizmos, a mother's affection, and cake-batter. What could possibly be better?

Later, as we aged, traditional gender roles asserted themselves through relational expectations, and we became "Dad's little grease-monkey"...Helping pass the tools as Dad worked on the car, or washer, or bike, etc.

I would also add, from personal experience, that I have a tendency to humanize appliances: Think of them as entities with some sort of soul, gender, possibly a name and a personality... How many times have I encouraged a recalcitrant (1972 Citroen Dspecial) to start with "C'mon boy, you can do it", or mentioned to the repair man or woman, that "The old girl seems to be talking back" when discussing a noise the washer suddenly started to make. BECAUSE OF THIS, like a surgeon trying to save a patient, I have a very hard time watching an appliance be junked/scrapped, expecially if it has "personality", as so many of the older appliances do, because of their gizmos, styling, eccentricities, rarity, etc.

That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it.

(and Bwoods, I used to help raise and train American Saddlebred and Morgan park show horses, and I still have my mare. The horse in the picture you mentioned is my late gelding, who died at age 30, having spent the last 20 years of his life under my care. He's buried on the farm here.)

The following picture is from the Hartford Auto Museum (Hartford, WI) and as many of you will recognize: That's a Tucker Torpedo, Vin #48, and the only known existant example with a factory (Borg-Warner) 3-speed automatic. Enjoy.

Cheers,
Bob

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everybody

keeps bringing up women's work. It really wasn't women's' work, the former generations were brought up in classrooms designed to produce team players. There was "X" amount of labor to be done in having a home, and so in team spirit the labor was divided among the team players. Women got the lion share of running the suburban home, Men got the burden of wining the laurels to keep the home afloat.
I know from direct experience there were members of each team that were unhappy with their division.
So I think we need to take the sexuality aspect OUT of the equation.
Here is what I think, washing machines although assigned to women's work were -designed, engineered, created by mostly men. So other men would see this ,some men got fixated on drills, wood cutting machines, that was acceptable. Some men got hooked on washing machines as machines created by men and I also think some men saw admiration for the other half- their mother's labors not their father's labors.

I think its a simple as that.
 
Differentiation of sexuality, and traditional gender roles.

But as the team player part of the American family goes, (although I do completely agree that many families, my own included, did not like the pre-ordained division of labour) there was a gender separation of household duties: I can think of countless advertisements of the wifey looking on in amusement (or horror) as the helpless, hapless husband attempts cooking, ironing, washing those new green socks with a load a whites, etc... The man was the breadwinner, mowed the lawn, took care of the exterior, and she did the interior...

I could posit that you find perhaps a greater percentage of gay men interested in these appliances because we (speaking for myself, at least) feel less bound to traditional gender roles. That being said, it certainly DOES NOT cast assumptions of orientation on all men who have an interest in appliances like these.

Then again, I could simply be pissing into the wind on this one...
 
Abcomatic: If you drew an equilateral triangle in WI with Milwaukee as the bottom right point, Madison as the bottom left, and Fond du Lac as the top... Hartford would be just less than half way up the right side... a bit closer to Milwaukee. I'd say maybe an hour-ish from Milwaukee? Here's the link. VERY worth visiting, in my opinion.... http://wisconsinautomuseum.com/
 
A slightly little different take

My earliest memories are of washing machines, quite apart from mother/father bonding issues, and I have never really understood why. Then, the other day I had an epiphany.

 

Our Frigidaire WO 65 sat in an alcove off the far end of the kitchen. My mother would be busy elsewhere, while I sat in front of the machine, too tiny to see inside. She said I would gesture "up-up" and she'd lift me to see. I remember the intense fragrant steam and really hot water. Geraldine recalls that I spent a lot of time there. We had a user-controlled hot water tank at the time, and she would heat it high and long for my brother's diapers. He was 2; I was 1. We rented then, and my dad was a plumber. At one point he modified the plumbing which required new hoses, and the old ones were placed in a long store room where I played with them often. The hose for hot was an orangey-red. These are very early memories and there are dozens more, but let that suffice for now.

 

Tuesday afternoon, I was washing in the WO-65 and I bent down to pick up a leaf from the garage floor. In that moment, the Frig went into spin as my head and ear were passing the cabinet. There is no outer tub in these models and roar of water is spectacular. You all know that as infants and toddlers, we are the ultimate sensate beings. Everything is sight and sound and touch. That's when the epiphany came. It was the sensate and tactile aspects of the washer that imprinted on me, and now I'm hooked forever. Although I have learned to appreciate dryers and dishwashers since joining the AW family, I have no deep particular interest in other appliances or cars or tools--just washers. I wonder if anybody else is like me.
 

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