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Recently I have picked up a couple of bags of Foca detergent from a nearby Mexican store, these are the older bags that still have some phosphates in them! (1 lb for $1.19)
I do spike my loads with about 2 to 3 tbls of washing soda! ( I know that few here are fans of washing soda)
So...question is, is this counter productive? do these two chemicals not like to be together, or am I boosting the cleaning, shifting action by adding??
Perhaps Laundress or Sudsmaster will be along to put this question to bed!

Stan

PS the Foca works very nice on its own
 
Washing soda is sodium carbonate. Every powdered detergent contains 5-15% sodium carbonate. Both sodium carbonate and phosphate are used as builders (water softeners) in detergents. So there must be no problem at all.
 
Use of Phosphates in Detergent

As some of us laundry-lovers are pretty well-informed, phosphates have been banned for sale and manufacture in today's powder detergents. While some liquids in the past, such as all and Wisk, had phosphates, they never "kept too well" in the bottle. It should be told that phosphate's use in liquid detergents isn't "stable", and doesn't stay soluble for long in the compounds. I had an OLD bottle of Canadian Wisk with phosphates that just about solidified after about a year in my laundry cabinet. The liquid was clouded and thickened by the chemical. I still have two "lunch-pail" boxes of 1991 Fab Ultra phosphate detergent from my trip to Dallas. I had one box from RI I used-up last year. I also still have a quantity of 1998 Amway SA8 Plus detergent with 11.6% phosphates, which I only use along with enzyme boosters, as it has no enzymes itself. I also have what I believe contains NTA, a box of 1997 vintage Canadian all detergent, that I never used. I have used that all in the past with good results, albeit very sudsy and with no enzymes.

Too bad the use of phosphates has been banned, as all the eco-freaks in government and population are unwilling lemmings in the belief the harm they may supposedly cause. Also, it is so sad the banning of NTA, as all the detergents I used back in the early 70's that contained that ingredient, worked just as well as phosphates. If only USA detergent manufacturers would use EDTA(or "TAED" as it is known in Europe)for detergents. They chelate minerals in the wash water and provide pretty much the same good results with our laundry. Again, sadly, manufacturers don't seem to care about upgrading their detergent formulas for the better, everyone's cutting costs yet charging a lot more for goods. By the way, has anyone noticed that it is very difficult to find detergents at competetive prices ANYWHERE? It seems apparent the manufacturers and/or stores are price-fixing all laundry products.
 
Just looked

at the older bags I bought, and soduim carbonate is not listed as one of the ingredients. Don't know about the non phosphate version?
This brings me to my next question... can the phosphate versions be ordered through Mexi Grocer, or some other online site? or is it over when all the old bags are gone from the stores?
Spiking American detergent with special ordered TSPP just dose not seem to work as well (for me) as the Foca detergent that already has it in it!
Dose anyone know if the phosphate versions can be special ordered?
 
Due To Being Tattle-Taled Upon By Tree Huggers

There has been a crack down of sorts on phosphate laden detergents from Mexico showing up on store shelves in states were the stuff is banned.

P&G (or whomever) took the first hit when Mexican Ariel with STPP began showing up all over the place, followed by Foca, Roma, and the rest. P&G's defence was they do not sell nor distribute the product outside of Mexico so if it's getting up North someone else is bringing it in. They then launched the first Amercican version of Ariel (darn boxes stunk with scent to high heaven), followed by what we see now in removing STPP from the Mexican versions.

Being as all the above may you can find lots of Mexican product distributors with Foca, Roma, Ariel and other detergents. Just make sure to ask what version of the product you will receive, with or without STPP.
 
Blanca Nieves

I found Blanca Nieves at our local K-Mart earlier this year, and bought a bag. It's another Mexican detergent with phosphates.

It seemed to clean ok, but was way too sudsy for our front loader. It is obviously intended for top-loaders.

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I have HATE for the Phosphate Ban!

I always said, when the phosphate-free versions of many powder detergents came out in the early '70's, that the old-fashioned sodium carbonate used to replace the phosphate will wreak havoc on our clothes and appliances! It is SO CAUSTIC, if you put a bit of it in your palm, then put a drop of water on it, you will FEEL the burning! Just imagine the damage it causes whether we are aware or not. We pollute much worse with other junk thrown away in sewers, than the phosphates would ever do today. It wasn't so much the phosphates that were "harmful", it was the fact that most detergents were NOT biodegradable. I have used phosphate Foca in 1990, it cleaned well but made far too many suds in my Frigidaire and took forever to rinse-out in our soft water.

J
 

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