Plane Goes Down at NYCs LaGuardia Airport

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YIKES! LGA always scared the hell out of me back when I was working in New York regularly... Any idea which airline??
 
WOW!

I'm glad everyone made it out, I can only imagine how cold and wet the rescue had to have been. It is such a contrast to when the 737 went down into the Potomac River here in Washington, DC back in '82.

I am traveling to Cincinnati tomorrow, and I am glad to be taking the train,
Dave
 
The crew obviously did a remarkable job of not only ditching the aircraft, but getting everyone off of the aircraft alive. Especially concidering how many pax usually totally ignore the saftey briefings.
 
What I heard...

Just had the radio on here while cleaning and from what I understand it was a small commuter type plane, not a commercial jetliner, the pilot brought it down safely in the Hudson River and everyone was rescued safely by water taxis (commuter ferries)and it was caused by geese getting sucked into the engines.
 
Oops...

You are so correct Gyrafoam, my dad. So much for the news on the classic rock station here. It was miraculous no one was killed. The story is dominating the airwaves here tonight in NYC can't imagine how frigid the water in the river is. They are saying some people were rescued on the NY side of the river, others on the NJ side.
 
KFC served, gratis

It is always fascinating to hear different accounts of the same story and how a word or two changes the entire meaning..........


"Plane Goes Down at NYCs LaGuardia Airport" should have read
"Plane Goes Down Coming Out of NYCs LaGuardia Airport"
I was trying not to say CRASH.

But what annoyed the living **** out of me was reference to passengers (by one radio station) as "the survivors". Uh HELLO? if NO ONE was sustantially hurt and there were no casualties, why be so inflamatory and histrionic?

:-0

I suppose now there will have to be some sort of patented device (with a good bone crusher) created to

defeather
eviscerate
prepare for cooking
cook
cool
serve

wild fowl...........

It is a miracle all ended well. Interesting to note the oral talents delivered via speech of New York State's governor. That guy has some eloquence!
 
My favorite was Fox News, who desperately tried to get passengers and eyewitnesses to say they firth thought it was a terrorist attack. Yeah, let's squeeze the last drop out of 9/11 hysteria, before the hysteria mongers in D.C. hit the sidewalk next Tuesday.

BTW, any Bye Bye Bushie parties planned?
 
Air Traffic Control

At the time of the incident, shortly after 3pm, I was northbound on the Garden State Parkway. Living near the airport as I do, you get used to the air traffic patterns. Newark Airport has parallel runways that run N-S, and one intersecting runway that goes E-W. That one is seldom used nowadays because it's shorter. Of the 100+ times I've flown in or out of EWR I can only remember landing on the shorter one once. So as I'm driving home, I see two planes take off westbound - meaning they were using that one. Thought "Hmmm, that's odd..." Apparently the ATC immediately began re-routing traffic; good to know they can react so immediately to keep the skies safe!

And I avoid LGA like the plague. Sitting at Mets games @ Shea Stadium, it's frightening to see what pilots have to do to get in or out of there.
 
LGA is a "tight fit", I fly out of there rather frequently. As long as you stay within the published approach and departure limits, you are ok. I think BOS at night is much worse.
We train for ditching emergencies as part of our 6 month review, but in reality few planes that ditch in water end up in one piece.
It's totally amazing that the plane didn't come apart on touchdown in the water. With the engines below the fuselage they'll be the first things to touch the surface. They then act like huge buckets immediately putting a huge amount of drag on the wings. This is enough force to tear the wings off or break up the plane. The pilot may have stalled it in, thereby just kind of dropping it on the water with a nose up attitude to prevent this from happening.
Any way you look at it, it was a brilliant piece of flying.
And I am positive that everyone is happy that there weren't any fatalities or even any major injuries.
 
One interview I heard was someone saying that the A-320 is a 'fly by wire' system that uses a joystick as vs. a traditional 'control stick' that is assisted by hydros. The complaint is that there is no 'feedback' with a fly by wire that you may need in an emergency. I'm not a pilot so I'm not sure about any of that. Was that more conjecture on the radio? Any light you can shed, Whirlcool?

Either way, the pilot and his flight crew managing to land a crippled airliner in the water and everybody lives to talk about it is nothing short of a miracle and a huge testiment to the training of the air crew and the sturdiness of the aircraft and it's safety systems. Who was it that once said "Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing!"?

RCD
 
Lots of buzz about this on the left coast as well. The pilot lives here in the Bay Area so we are hearing a lot about him on the news. Wife refers to him as "a pilot's pilot" and he has tons of experience in the field of safety so they couldn't have had a better guy at the controls yesterday.
 
Toggles, just for you (SLAP)

I have some hours in the A-320 sim, Northwest was the first airline to fly the type here in the US. It does use a electronic fly by wire system coupled through a flight mode computer (way simplified). There is little to no feel in the joystick controls. When the A320 first came out there were a few crashes due to pilots not totally understanding the different modes of operation of the computer. But enhanced training corrected that.

Anyway in jets you fly by the numbers (airspeed and pitch) more than you do the feeling of the aircraft as you would in a general aviation airplane so it doesn't matter that much.

Birds have been an aviation hazard for a long time. They don't move when they see you coming. In fact one time years ago we were in a DC-9 leaving Green Bay, WS and a flock of birds were directly in our path. I judged by the speed at which they were traveling at they'd pass from the right to the left of us. And they did that, but then the whole flock made a turn back to the right again! I just pulled up the nose a little bit more and they passed right under us. It was so gentle, I don't think anyone in the back noticed.
And back in the 80's I think a World Airways DC-10 crashed into the bay next to JFK because of birds in the engines too.
The plane was full of airline employees, so there were also no fatalities.
A few years ago a Southwest 737 was landing somewhere in Florida and they hit a turkey buzzard. It came right through the first officers window and glass went flying all over the cockpit. They were only about 3 minutes from touchdown when that happened! But the captain landed it safely anyway.
 
I have read

several places that a woman passenger sustained two broken legs.

Having had one broken leg (fell down stairs in 1987), I would call that a "severe injury."

However, this is a miracle. All aboard could have lost their lives, many people on the ground could have also died.

I believe the whole flight crew deserves high honours, and the pilot deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest honour of the United States.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
One of the news stations around here stated that if anyone was killed in this accident, then that would have broken our 5-year run of not having anyone killed in aviation accidents in the USA. Okay, so where are all those reporters when over 30,000 people get killed on the highways every year!

I find it rather annoying the way the media covers aviation, but ignores the highly dangerous activity of driving (by the numbers). I mean really, an airplane cannot even as so much as have a light bulb blow without the news media all over it!
 
The "media" is attracted to accidents involving large public transportation vehicles such as airliners,buses and trans,ships.They have no interest in car accidents-since they are so common and don't really attract veiwers or listeners.I know its annoying and not the real truth-yes more people are killed in their cars than all of the mass transit vehicle accidents combined!I knew an engineer that used to work for ABC,his crew was the first on the scenes of the US Air crash on the 14th st bridge in DC and another crash of an airliner in the foothills in Viginia outside Dulles airport.Its kinda bad-but news crews from various news companies "race" each other to be first on the scene.and they film the accident rather than lending aid-can we put the camera down for a moment to help injured folks?I remember scenes on the 14th bridge incident where a cameraman was trying to film the insides of the crushed cars on the bridge-the station ran the footage-I would have left it on the cutting room floor.I just think that was disrespectful of the victims and thier families.I do think it was amiracle that no one was killed in the NY plane wreck into the hudson.I think we can thank the pilots skill for this-he had to ditch the plane and did it as safely as he could.Would like to ride with HIM anytime!!I am glad there are skilled airline pilots out there-think they should get more recognition.
In the accident where the plane hit the turkey buzzard and it went thru the window-was the First officer hurt or killed-kinda like and worse than if you hit a deer on the road in your car at 55 or 65 mph-you could get killed from the deers body breaking your neck as it goes thru the windsheild.That happned on the road out here to the transmitter site-It wasn't any of us that work out here.I see and doge the deer darn near every night-sometimes Black bears!
 

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