When does a Straight Vane agitator qualify for a "6 vane"? What is the scoop on the pushbutton model -- is that a top of the BOL or a bottom of the TOL model?
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mrb627
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Humps
I suppose vanes 4-6 are those humps in the base that I equate to hot dogs sliced down the middle.
Malcolm
I suppose vanes 4-6 are those humps in the base that I equate to hot dogs sliced down the middle.
Malcolm
Malcolm is right - Sears always referred to the bakelight version of the straight vane as a "6-vane" agitator, those 'half hot-dog' humps being vanes, though I don't see how they'd add much effectiveness.
Today's page must be a companion to the one that appeared a week or two ago, being the tech. service bulletin I think to introduce the service group to the new 1967 models. We discovered last time that some of the models presented never made it to market, but it looks like all of these did, but not as numbered. Someone in the type-set department must have gotten the numbers confused.
The first three machines in the left column all did make it to market. The top left machine being a 500 series MOL machine, it's model being 110.6704500 (I've never seen one, has anyone else?) I have one of the second machine down, but it's model number is 110.6704200, otherwise what I have is an exact appearing copy. We can recognize the portable/stationary BOL machine, it's model is 110.6704000.
The ultra-cool push button 24-inch machine is a 110.6704300 - never seen one of these either, but it's right there on Sears' site. That would be one to have for sure and is a 1962 Kenmore 800 / 1963 Lady K cousin.
The one-knob wonders are all 110.6703XXX machines. Usually the automatic washers had a 4 or 5 in the fourth character so the 3 is a new one to me. I find BOL stuff absolutely FASCINATING, especially in 29-inch cabinet machines. Sears must have sold a decent number of them because they always had some sort of single cycle, no frills BOL machine until fairly recently.
I would LOVE to find one of those...
Still, such a cool POD, THANKS again for uploading these Robert!!!
Today's page must be a companion to the one that appeared a week or two ago, being the tech. service bulletin I think to introduce the service group to the new 1967 models. We discovered last time that some of the models presented never made it to market, but it looks like all of these did, but not as numbered. Someone in the type-set department must have gotten the numbers confused.
The first three machines in the left column all did make it to market. The top left machine being a 500 series MOL machine, it's model being 110.6704500 (I've never seen one, has anyone else?) I have one of the second machine down, but it's model number is 110.6704200, otherwise what I have is an exact appearing copy. We can recognize the portable/stationary BOL machine, it's model is 110.6704000.
The ultra-cool push button 24-inch machine is a 110.6704300 - never seen one of these either, but it's right there on Sears' site. That would be one to have for sure and is a 1962 Kenmore 800 / 1963 Lady K cousin.
The one-knob wonders are all 110.6703XXX machines. Usually the automatic washers had a 4 or 5 in the fourth character so the 3 is a new one to me. I find BOL stuff absolutely FASCINATING, especially in 29-inch cabinet machines. Sears must have sold a decent number of them because they always had some sort of single cycle, no frills BOL machine until fairly recently.
I would LOVE to find one of those...
Still, such a cool POD, THANKS again for uploading these Robert!!!
Here's the little 24-inch bugger....
Such a 'cute' machine. It's only one of two 24-inch 'Space Saver' machines I've had and the only one right now.
Such a 'cute' machine. It's only one of two 24-inch 'Space Saver' machines I've had and the only one right now.
Good thought but the Roto-Flex was offered only in high-end or TOL models, these are all either barely MOL or BOL. The Roto-Flex was a splined agitator, the 6-vane is a bakelight agitator that requires a hex drive block. All the machines on the POD need a drive block.
If you refer to the parts schematic on Sears' website you can see the agitator - it's basically a 3-vane design with three little mini-"humps".
Gordon
If you refer to the parts schematic on Sears' website you can see the agitator - it's basically a 3-vane design with three little mini-"humps".
Gordon
chaskelljr2
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Well Guess What Everybody......
In today's POD, I never thought I would see the day in which I would finally get to see my childhood washer all over again. And this is after more than 31 years after we have gotten rid of ours.
My childhood washer is the LAST one that is listed on the page of today's POD. It is the "110.6704500". It is the 24" One-Speed, One-Knob, One Cycle Jobbie (about as basic as they come). I didn't even see it listed in any of the Sears Catalogs that I own.
But I do know this..... ours was purchased in July 1967, and it was priced at $120.00 (believe it or not).
And it had the toggle lid switch at the top of the machine, a gold colored lint filter with matching housing, a dark blue (or was it black) tub with a black Straight Vane Agitator with a Well Spaced Cap on the top.
And don't EVEN let a load of clothes get unbalanced inside that thing. When it got off balanced, the tub would bang loudly against the cabinet, and it would either shake violently (or worst case scenario..... it would walk across the floor), and as a four year old at the time, that thing would scare the "heebee jeebees" out of me.
And it went more than nine years before it even received its first repair.
Later on in its life, it was paired up with a 1975 All-American Electric Dryer with a Full-Width Door, a Solid-State Sensor and a 2.5 Hour Wrinkle-Guard (but no lighted drum or panel).
But oh my god..... what memories that machine has brought back just by looking at today.
We had that machine from July 1967 to August 1978.
And to KenmoreGuy64 (Gordon)..... I did check out that 24" Push-Button Model today. And I haven't even seen that model before. Was this one of those obscure models (a/k/a -- the Model 900 that was out around 1966 until I saw it for the first time in a Sears Catalog back in Fall of 1969) that Sears thought they didn't have to market or something??? If we had a 1963 Model 800 Lady Kenmore that sort of looked like that, then I would have to dub THIS one THE LLK (the "Little Lady Kenmore"). I mean, this thing has everything that the Full-Sized Lady Kenmore has except a White Tub, a Super Roto-Flex Agitator and a Lighted Control Panel. That had to be the TOL Model of THAT particular series.
I wonder if that model had a "click-stop" timer as well???
I can't get over THAT model..... it looks EXACTLY like a Junior-Sized 1963 Lady Kenmore (Model 800).
If the Full-Sized Lady Kenmore was priced around $250.00 back in 1967, I would like to know how much THAT little bugger was back then (and I can imagine it was WAY more than the $120.00 the one I grew up with was priced)????
That's a cool ass machine any way you look at it.
--Charles--
In today's POD, I never thought I would see the day in which I would finally get to see my childhood washer all over again. And this is after more than 31 years after we have gotten rid of ours.
My childhood washer is the LAST one that is listed on the page of today's POD. It is the "110.6704500". It is the 24" One-Speed, One-Knob, One Cycle Jobbie (about as basic as they come). I didn't even see it listed in any of the Sears Catalogs that I own.
But I do know this..... ours was purchased in July 1967, and it was priced at $120.00 (believe it or not).
And it had the toggle lid switch at the top of the machine, a gold colored lint filter with matching housing, a dark blue (or was it black) tub with a black Straight Vane Agitator with a Well Spaced Cap on the top.
And don't EVEN let a load of clothes get unbalanced inside that thing. When it got off balanced, the tub would bang loudly against the cabinet, and it would either shake violently (or worst case scenario..... it would walk across the floor), and as a four year old at the time, that thing would scare the "heebee jeebees" out of me.
And it went more than nine years before it even received its first repair.
Later on in its life, it was paired up with a 1975 All-American Electric Dryer with a Full-Width Door, a Solid-State Sensor and a 2.5 Hour Wrinkle-Guard (but no lighted drum or panel).
But oh my god..... what memories that machine has brought back just by looking at today.
We had that machine from July 1967 to August 1978.
And to KenmoreGuy64 (Gordon)..... I did check out that 24" Push-Button Model today. And I haven't even seen that model before. Was this one of those obscure models (a/k/a -- the Model 900 that was out around 1966 until I saw it for the first time in a Sears Catalog back in Fall of 1969) that Sears thought they didn't have to market or something??? If we had a 1963 Model 800 Lady Kenmore that sort of looked like that, then I would have to dub THIS one THE LLK (the "Little Lady Kenmore"). I mean, this thing has everything that the Full-Sized Lady Kenmore has except a White Tub, a Super Roto-Flex Agitator and a Lighted Control Panel. That had to be the TOL Model of THAT particular series.
I wonder if that model had a "click-stop" timer as well???
I can't get over THAT model..... it looks EXACTLY like a Junior-Sized 1963 Lady Kenmore (Model 800).
If the Full-Sized Lady Kenmore was priced around $250.00 back in 1967, I would like to know how much THAT little bugger was back then (and I can imagine it was WAY more than the $120.00 the one I grew up with was priced)????
That's a cool ass machine any way you look at it.
--Charles--
COOL washer you had Charles
I love "one-knob wonders" as I call them. All the WP and Kenmore 24" machines held I think only one less gallon of water than their 29" standard capacity sibblings, so they held a decent amount of laundry and the mechanicals were packed pretty tightly into the 24-inch cabinet.
I am sure your washer banged the heck out of itself in an out of balance load as many of them didn't have kickout relays. The baseplate is much more confined in the 24" cabinet than in the larger machines, so it would be much more likely to bash itself, etc. It's funny how those machines could be so intimidating to a little kid. I clearly remember hauling butt up the stairs away from our '61 70 series when it's buzzer was on...my little 'feety' jammies slipping on the carpet of the stairs....lol.
Seriously, that push-button machine is it, isn't it? I would assume that it's a click-stop model based on the button arrangement. I think I see even a 'Spin Only' button under the timer dial.
Is this an obscure model - YES, indeed and many of the others too. I had not seen any of those specific one-knobbers before, OR the LLK (I like that name by the way). As to the price, basically from what I have seen, 24-inch models were priced at about where their 29-inch counterparts were priced. That makes a good bit of sense since the only material difference in them is a couple of pounds of steel missing from the 24-inch cabinets. So if the LK was $250, then this baby probably was near there too, maybe a tad less due to the lack of a light, no jazzy agitator and the basic straight forward console.
About obscure models...Catalog sales were only a part of the model distribution of machines, but I have no idea how marketers at Sears decided what models to include and which ones to exclude. There were always more models available than were shown in the catalog. I've had a few that never showed up in any catalog. I've had the reverse happen as well - a model may have shown up in three or four catalogs (so about two years worth) and I've never seen one in person.
I think my favorite BOL Kenmore is the 1966 or so Kenmore 400 machine seen in the archived thread from 2008 - Memories of Estate Sale Saturdays. WAY cool washer that I aim to own one of some day.
G
I love "one-knob wonders" as I call them. All the WP and Kenmore 24" machines held I think only one less gallon of water than their 29" standard capacity sibblings, so they held a decent amount of laundry and the mechanicals were packed pretty tightly into the 24-inch cabinet.
I am sure your washer banged the heck out of itself in an out of balance load as many of them didn't have kickout relays. The baseplate is much more confined in the 24" cabinet than in the larger machines, so it would be much more likely to bash itself, etc. It's funny how those machines could be so intimidating to a little kid. I clearly remember hauling butt up the stairs away from our '61 70 series when it's buzzer was on...my little 'feety' jammies slipping on the carpet of the stairs....lol.
Seriously, that push-button machine is it, isn't it? I would assume that it's a click-stop model based on the button arrangement. I think I see even a 'Spin Only' button under the timer dial.
Is this an obscure model - YES, indeed and many of the others too. I had not seen any of those specific one-knobbers before, OR the LLK (I like that name by the way). As to the price, basically from what I have seen, 24-inch models were priced at about where their 29-inch counterparts were priced. That makes a good bit of sense since the only material difference in them is a couple of pounds of steel missing from the 24-inch cabinets. So if the LK was $250, then this baby probably was near there too, maybe a tad less due to the lack of a light, no jazzy agitator and the basic straight forward console.
About obscure models...Catalog sales were only a part of the model distribution of machines, but I have no idea how marketers at Sears decided what models to include and which ones to exclude. There were always more models available than were shown in the catalog. I've had a few that never showed up in any catalog. I've had the reverse happen as well - a model may have shown up in three or four catalogs (so about two years worth) and I've never seen one in person.
I think my favorite BOL Kenmore is the 1966 or so Kenmore 400 machine seen in the archived thread from 2008 - Memories of Estate Sale Saturdays. WAY cool washer that I aim to own one of some day.
G
Push Button 24" KM
I have seen several of these machines I even had one years ago. It was a lock stop timer it had a SC lint filer & timed bleach& fab softener disp. They probably sold better in some markets, I grew up in Greenbelt Md. and people had to have thier washers in the kitchen so space was tight. These also probably sold well in places like NY city, I even have a 24" GE FF washer with a mini basket, florescent light & two speed clutch that came from the NY area in our collection.
I have seen several of these machines I even had one years ago. It was a lock stop timer it had a SC lint filer & timed bleach& fab softener disp. They probably sold better in some markets, I grew up in Greenbelt Md. and people had to have thier washers in the kitchen so space was tight. These also probably sold well in places like NY city, I even have a 24" GE FF washer with a mini basket, florescent light & two speed clutch that came from the NY area in our collection.
chaskelljr2
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@ Gordon....
(Your Quote): "Seriously, that push-button machine is it, isn't it? I would assume that it's a click-stop model based on the button arrangement. I think I see even a 'Spin Only' button under the timer dial."
(My Answer): I agree..... at a risk of going a LITTLE Michael Jackson on you.... THAT IS IT there!!!! That 24" Push-Button Kenmore is DEFINITELY THE ONE to have. Man.... I would love to have that one.
It's ashame that Sears doesn't put out machines like that anymore.
--Charles--
(Your Quote): "Seriously, that push-button machine is it, isn't it? I would assume that it's a click-stop model based on the button arrangement. I think I see even a 'Spin Only' button under the timer dial."
(My Answer): I agree..... at a risk of going a LITTLE Michael Jackson on you.... THAT IS IT there!!!! That 24" Push-Button Kenmore is DEFINITELY THE ONE to have. Man.... I would love to have that one.
It's ashame that Sears doesn't put out machines like that anymore.
--Charles--
chaskelljr2
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@ Combo52..... (about the 24" Push-Button Kenmore)
So..... that machine DID have a click-stop timer. How neat that was. WOW!!!! a 24" LLK or BLK ("Little Lady Kenmore" or "Baby Lady Kenmore")..... I wonder how cool it was to own a machine like that back then?
You still have that machine now (you said you have actually had one previously)???
And I would like to see what that Little GE Filter-Flo looks like as well. Could you kindly post a picture of that machine (the 24" GE Filter-Flo that you just told us about) for us???
Thanks In Advance.....
--Charles--
So..... that machine DID have a click-stop timer. How neat that was. WOW!!!! a 24" LLK or BLK ("Little Lady Kenmore" or "Baby Lady Kenmore")..... I wonder how cool it was to own a machine like that back then?
You still have that machine now (you said you have actually had one previously)???
And I would like to see what that Little GE Filter-Flo looks like as well. Could you kindly post a picture of that machine (the 24" GE Filter-Flo that you just told us about) for us???
Thanks In Advance.....
--Charles--
70series
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Wow, what a lineup. In a way this presents a challenge to Kenmore aficionados to figure out which model numbers belong to which washers. Clearly the Model 500 was at the top left, but the model number must have belonged to the model at bottom right. Who could have guessed there would be such a thing as a diminutive 62/63 LK? A phenomenon presents itself. The true BOL one knob washers are awesome with their retro 1962 styled consoles and knobs. I notice a lot of blue tubs in the lineup. With black agitators you really would need a well lit laundry area to make out any interior detail, otherwise it would be like staring into a black hole. A cousin of mine had late 60s BOL that had the same color tub, but a gold agitator. Gordon I agree, that 65 Model 500 in that archived thread is a prize, and I hope you do target it as part of your collection re-establishment.
Charles: Glad you finally found your childhood washer; there is no feeling like it. BTW the dryer you describe is exactly the one an aunt of mine had, but hers was gas.
Lastly, but not least, thank you to our Webmaster Robert for posting yet another winning POD, and also to who supplied it. (Would that be you again Gansky?) Entertainment in it's cleanest form.
Have a good one,
James
Charles: Glad you finally found your childhood washer; there is no feeling like it. BTW the dryer you describe is exactly the one an aunt of mine had, but hers was gas.
Lastly, but not least, thank you to our Webmaster Robert for posting yet another winning POD, and also to who supplied it. (Would that be you again Gansky?) Entertainment in it's cleanest form.
Have a good one,
James
Did anybody notice the error in the table of specs? They switched a 2 speed 29" machine with the 24" one speed one water level machine that was the last listed. I guess it will have to come around again before I can give the model numbers.
Tom -
Yes, the model numbers are all wrong as listed under the pics. So far, the chart looks correct (the stock numbers on the chart can be gleaned from the model numbers). We discussed that above a bit.
I saved the page to my computer if you care to see it again, I will e-mail it.
Gordon
Yes, the model numbers are all wrong as listed under the pics. So far, the chart looks correct (the stock numbers on the chart can be gleaned from the model numbers). We discussed that above a bit.
I saved the page to my computer if you care to see it again, I will e-mail it.
Gordon
Big question for you Charles...
Charles, how was the water temperature adjusted on your childhood washer? Did it run automatically with say a warm wash and a cold rinse, or was the temperature set at the faucets? It doesn't look as though any of those three machines had timer-set variable temps, based both on the pictures and the chart of info.
VERY Curious about that and I should have asked you last night when we were both online....any info. that you can remember would be appreciated.
Gordon
Charles, how was the water temperature adjusted on your childhood washer? Did it run automatically with say a warm wash and a cold rinse, or was the temperature set at the faucets? It doesn't look as though any of those three machines had timer-set variable temps, based both on the pictures and the chart of info.
VERY Curious about that and I should have asked you last night when we were both online....any info. that you can remember would be appreciated.
Gordon
mrb627
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Cold Fill Only!
I think they were cold fill only machines.
I think they were cold fill only machines.
chaskelljr2
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@ KenmoreGuy64.......
That's a good question.......
On my childhood washer, the water temperatures were adjusted manually at the faucet taps (for the wash cycle..... then if it was desired, you had to do it again for the rinse cycle)
AND (!!!)
We could not wash anything that was dainty or delicate in that machine either.
So then, when we got our next washer back in August 1978, my mother had a "laundry list" of what she wanted on her next washer.
And the feature list was:
(01). The ability to make water level adjustments.
(02). The ability to select temperatures at the machine instead of at the faucet tap.
(03). She wanted a Sud-Saver.
(04). She wanted the ability to wash different fabric types.
(05). She wanted the ability to wash more clothes in fewer loads (a larger tub)
And she got all of that, and then some in a Large Capacity 2-Speed, 4-Cycle "Match-All" Model 70.
Again...... Memories Memories Memories
--Charles--
That's a good question.......
On my childhood washer, the water temperatures were adjusted manually at the faucet taps (for the wash cycle..... then if it was desired, you had to do it again for the rinse cycle)
AND (!!!)
We could not wash anything that was dainty or delicate in that machine either.
So then, when we got our next washer back in August 1978, my mother had a "laundry list" of what she wanted on her next washer.
And the feature list was:
(01). The ability to make water level adjustments.
(02). The ability to select temperatures at the machine instead of at the faucet tap.
(03). She wanted a Sud-Saver.
(04). She wanted the ability to wash different fabric types.
(05). She wanted the ability to wash more clothes in fewer loads (a larger tub)
And she got all of that, and then some in a Large Capacity 2-Speed, 4-Cycle "Match-All" Model 70.
Again...... Memories Memories Memories
--Charles--
