$4.32 for 1 gal 1% cow juice @ WM. Leche. Mleko. Milch. Latte. Γάλα. Молоко. Etc.
Yeeesh.
Yeeesh.
Price of Milk
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Yikes. I'll have to look. Haven't bought any for a while, other than when Scott was here.
sudsmaster
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The price here in California just went up $1 per gallon. State law, or so I read in the paper.
launderess
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Actually, IIRC milk prices are one of the few still set by the Federal government, and yes they have been going up. But then again take a look at lots of other foods, for they have been doing the same.
Main cause is the ever increasing price of corn, which is the latest cash crop due to the ethanol craze. Farmers can't plant enough of the stuff, and corn is in almost everything we in the United States eat/drink in some form. It is used as feed for livestock, sweetner (corn syrup), and god only knows what else.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-fri_dairy0615jun15,0,5085402.story?coll=chi-business-hed
Main cause is the ever increasing price of corn, which is the latest cash crop due to the ethanol craze. Farmers can't plant enough of the stuff, and corn is in almost everything we in the United States eat/drink in some form. It is used as feed for livestock, sweetner (corn syrup), and god only knows what else.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-fri_dairy0615jun15,0,5085402.story?coll=chi-business-hed
aquarius1984
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We tend to buy Cravendale milk cos we go thru so much and it has a shelf life of 4 weeks. ~Its Purfiltred and is actually fresh milk.
its about £1.30 for 2 litres.
Current Tesco Price for 4 pints of regular milk is £1.15
Rob
its about £1.30 for 2 litres.
Current Tesco Price for 4 pints of regular milk is £1.15
Rob
We buy Brownes Hi-Lo 3litre bottles for $3.50, altho a lot of the places we shop at have it on special for like $2.70
Main cause is the ever increasing price of corn
I think that's just BS. The price of corn appears to be less
than 10% higher than it was at its previous high in 1997 and
MAYBE 50% higher than it was a year ago. Hard to tell since
I haven't been able to find a decent chart of historical and
current prices.
And feed is only one of the costs involved in dairy, egg, and
food production. The farmers have always gotten the hind end
of the food deal. I think it's just an excuse for all the
middle men, retailers, Cargill, Archer Daniels, etc to jack
up prices as high as they can get them. Not much different
from the oil companies manipulating the price of gas with
their refinery closings, maintenance, and fake weather
outages.
I think that's just BS. The price of corn appears to be less
than 10% higher than it was at its previous high in 1997 and
MAYBE 50% higher than it was a year ago. Hard to tell since
I haven't been able to find a decent chart of historical and
current prices.
And feed is only one of the costs involved in dairy, egg, and
food production. The farmers have always gotten the hind end
of the food deal. I think it's just an excuse for all the
middle men, retailers, Cargill, Archer Daniels, etc to jack
up prices as high as they can get them. Not much different
from the oil companies manipulating the price of gas with
their refinery closings, maintenance, and fake weather
outages.
johnny
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Here at Greece we have a lot of cows so.... 3L Milk(Γάλα) cost 2euro.
... But... I dont drink milk
... But... I dont drink milk
launderess
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Hey Look
Am just reporting what dairy farmers, and the news reports state is the main cause of raising milk prices. If you have any other information, please by all means bring it on, as am sure moi and others would love to hear.
Ironically purchase organic milk which comes from grass feed cows, and the price has actually gone down the past several weeks, don't know why.
Back to milk prices: they unlike petrol are set by the government,also IIRC the United States is exporting allot of powdered milk according to a news report saw months ago. In fact so tight are certian segments of the dairy market, certian producers have to import powdered milk to keep up with their demand.
Finally the amount of dairy farmers has declined over the past several decades. Much of this occured when milk prices were so low farmers couldn't get enough profit.
L.
Am just reporting what dairy farmers, and the news reports state is the main cause of raising milk prices. If you have any other information, please by all means bring it on, as am sure moi and others would love to hear.
Ironically purchase organic milk which comes from grass feed cows, and the price has actually gone down the past several weeks, don't know why.
Back to milk prices: they unlike petrol are set by the government,also IIRC the United States is exporting allot of powdered milk according to a news report saw months ago. In fact so tight are certian segments of the dairy market, certian producers have to import powdered milk to keep up with their demand.
Finally the amount of dairy farmers has declined over the past several decades. Much of this occured when milk prices were so low farmers couldn't get enough profit.
L.
dj-gabriele
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In Italy milk prices vary from 1,55€/Litre (2,13$ - 1,05£) for high quality fresh milk down to 0.5€/Litre (0,69$ - 0,34£)for UHT, don't know where it comes from, milk.
I love fresh creamy milk!
*goes to the fridge and gets some*
I love fresh creamy milk!
*goes to the fridge and gets some*
exploder3211
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Its around that at home.. Not sure what it is here in ann arbor
Laundress
I wasn't saying BS to "you", I was referring to the information
that was given to you.
Looking at it as the farmer sees it. Milk per cwt (century
weight) at its low last year was $13 something. A projection
for the high this year is $17-$20 something. January this
year was $15.00
Estimate high and a gallon of milk weighs 10 pounds so the
cheapest commodity in milk (the milk, not the cheese, butter,
etc) would go from $1.30/gal to $1.70 or $2.00/gal - 50 cents.
Sure, the price has gone up and the powdered milk part is an
issue, but the price the consumer sees has gone up a whole lot
more than what the cost of the raw milk (and underlying feed
costs) would imply. Blaming it on the price of corn seems
like a red herring to me.
Makes me wonder if the oil companies are investing their
ill-gotten gains into corn futures and driving the price
up. Increase the cost of ethanol and their petroleum
products look cheaper.
Just call me Mr. Conspiracy
I wasn't saying BS to "you", I was referring to the information
that was given to you.
Looking at it as the farmer sees it. Milk per cwt (century
weight) at its low last year was $13 something. A projection
for the high this year is $17-$20 something. January this
year was $15.00
Estimate high and a gallon of milk weighs 10 pounds so the
cheapest commodity in milk (the milk, not the cheese, butter,
etc) would go from $1.30/gal to $1.70 or $2.00/gal - 50 cents.
Sure, the price has gone up and the powdered milk part is an
issue, but the price the consumer sees has gone up a whole lot
more than what the cost of the raw milk (and underlying feed
costs) would imply. Blaming it on the price of corn seems
like a red herring to me.
Makes me wonder if the oil companies are investing their
ill-gotten gains into corn futures and driving the price
up. Increase the cost of ethanol and their petroleum
products look cheaper.
Just call me Mr. Conspiracy
$3.85 for a gallon of skim today in rural, southwestern Minnesota.
goprog, my dad taught me a long time ago that there are two types of corn. "Sweet" corn is what people eat, and is what corn syrup and sweeteners are made from. "Field" corn is what is fed to livestock. Futures trading is primiarly in sweet corn. I'm not sure what type is used for ethanol production.
Incidentally, farmers and economists are already admitting that it makes no sense economically to grow corn to produce ethanol. The real win there is to be able to produce ethanol from plant waste -- stalks, cuttings, sawdust, etc. The technology to make that feasible isn't quite there yet, but it's getting closer.
Incidentally, farmers and economists are already admitting that it makes no sense economically to grow corn to produce ethanol. The real win there is to be able to produce ethanol from plant waste -- stalks, cuttings, sawdust, etc. The technology to make that feasible isn't quite there yet, but it's getting closer.
launderess
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What is happening with corn is that farmers, (and who can blame them), are growing more of the ethanol type corn, and less of the feed, hence rise in the later. Also do not forget the USA is a large exporter of corn, so that has to be taken into account as well.
One really cannot blame the farmers, as they are damned if they do and damned if they do not. In bad years when crops fail, they have to go hat in hand to the government or ask for loans; and either way they are seen as asking for handouts/government accused of "bailing out". In years when there is an abundance of crops, either the price falls, or they have to find a buyer (usually the Federal government) in order to hold up some sort of minimum price, and the same rants and cries go out any way.
Because of goverment supports, (hey those farmers vote), and mandates, this is the time of big corn. After the gun lobby, politicans simply do not mess with farmers.
L.
One really cannot blame the farmers, as they are damned if they do and damned if they do not. In bad years when crops fail, they have to go hat in hand to the government or ask for loans; and either way they are seen as asking for handouts/government accused of "bailing out". In years when there is an abundance of crops, either the price falls, or they have to find a buyer (usually the Federal government) in order to hold up some sort of minimum price, and the same rants and cries go out any way.
Because of goverment supports, (hey those farmers vote), and mandates, this is the time of big corn. After the gun lobby, politicans simply do not mess with farmers.
L.
selectomatic
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I'm glad I live in Wisconsin!
I was so disgusted at seeing milk at $2.89 a gallon last week at my regular store that I went over to Walgreen's and got it for $1.99.
Unless something has changed recently, the US government fixes the price that farmers get for milk based on that farmer's distance from Eau Claire, Wisconsin. That's why the price is so high on the coasts, even in dairy-producing states like NY and CA, while we in WI get it much more reasonably.
I love milk!
-kevin
I was so disgusted at seeing milk at $2.89 a gallon last week at my regular store that I went over to Walgreen's and got it for $1.99.
Unless something has changed recently, the US government fixes the price that farmers get for milk based on that farmer's distance from Eau Claire, Wisconsin. That's why the price is so high on the coasts, even in dairy-producing states like NY and CA, while we in WI get it much more reasonably.
I love milk!
-kevin
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Wouldn't want to contradict your dad, but I think what you said
is wrong (at least in part.) The only thing I know sweet corn
is used for is "ears of sweet corn to eat" and whole corn we
find in our food. It MIGHT be the residue from sweet corn
processing is used for corn syrup and sweeteners, it makes
sense. But I'm pretty sure that field corn is used for things
like corn meal, corn flakes, and other food products that
contain a dry form of corn - besides livestock feed and back
country stills.
(Smelling field corn being dried in a
massive corn dryer is a sweet smell. The hired man tried to
tell me the liquid that came out was alcohol, I doubt it but
don't know - think he was just trying to get me to taste it.)
And I'm sure the corn futures are for field corn. The vast
majority of corn grown in the US is field corn. If I was to
make a guess, I would say it is at least 90% or 95%, but I
have no facts/documentation to back that up. Drive through
the massive fields in Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska - that is mostly,
if not all, field corn. I think sweet corn is grown mostly by
contract to food processors - Green Giant in particular since
I see that here. It might be there is a higher percentage of
sweet corn in California or other areas of the country because
of their climate (2 crops a year?)
Of course, now I'm going to have to search the web to see if
I can confirm (or contradict) my statements.
Wouldn't want to contradict your dad, but I think what you said
is wrong (at least in part.) The only thing I know sweet corn
is used for is "ears of sweet corn to eat" and whole corn we
find in our food. It MIGHT be the residue from sweet corn
processing is used for corn syrup and sweeteners, it makes
sense. But I'm pretty sure that field corn is used for things
like corn meal, corn flakes, and other food products that
contain a dry form of corn - besides livestock feed and back
country stills.
(Smelling field corn being dried in amassive corn dryer is a sweet smell. The hired man tried to
tell me the liquid that came out was alcohol, I doubt it but
don't know - think he was just trying to get me to taste it.)
And I'm sure the corn futures are for field corn. The vast
majority of corn grown in the US is field corn. If I was to
make a guess, I would say it is at least 90% or 95%, but I
have no facts/documentation to back that up. Drive through
the massive fields in Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska - that is mostly,
if not all, field corn. I think sweet corn is grown mostly by
contract to food processors - Green Giant in particular since
I see that here. It might be there is a higher percentage of
sweet corn in California or other areas of the country because
of their climate (2 crops a year?)
Of course, now I'm going to have to search the web to see if
I can confirm (or contradict) my statements.
I was wrong - sweet corn is used ONLY for corn on the cob,
canned or frozen corn. Syrups and other corn food products
come from field corn. Which all implies corn futures/prices
are based on field corn.
http://www.ncga.com/education/main/FAQ.html
This also says:
Q. What's the primary use for corn?
A. Corn serves as a primary livestock feed source. More than half of the crop puts meat on America's dinner table. A bushel of corn fed to livestock produces 5.6 pounds of retail beef, 13 pounds of retail pork, 19.6 pounds of chicken or 28 pounds of catfish.
Too bad it didn't say how milk or eggs are related to it.
canned or frozen corn. Syrups and other corn food products
come from field corn. Which all implies corn futures/prices
are based on field corn.
http://www.ncga.com/education/main/FAQ.html
This also says:
Q. What's the primary use for corn?
A. Corn serves as a primary livestock feed source. More than half of the crop puts meat on America's dinner table. A bushel of corn fed to livestock produces 5.6 pounds of retail beef, 13 pounds of retail pork, 19.6 pounds of chicken or 28 pounds of catfish.
Too bad it didn't say how milk or eggs are related to it.
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AT mejers it was $2.84 a gallon...In Ann Arbor Mi
launderess
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This is all very interesting in that corn is NOT the natural food of most livestock, outside of perhaps poultry.
Cattle have never nor were "designed" to eat corn, thus they develop all sorts of problems, for which they are pumped full of antibiotics and other chemicals to remedy. Pigs were fed all sorts of things, but to make them leaner and remove the risk of parasites, they also are on a mostly corn diet.
Americans consume more "corn" than any place else in the form of sweetner (high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup etc) is in much of what is sold, especially soft drinks and processed food. Stuff is bad, bad, bad, and probably adding to the increase of diabeties we are seeing.
Cattle have never nor were "designed" to eat corn, thus they develop all sorts of problems, for which they are pumped full of antibiotics and other chemicals to remedy. Pigs were fed all sorts of things, but to make them leaner and remove the risk of parasites, they also are on a mostly corn diet.
Americans consume more "corn" than any place else in the form of sweetner (high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup etc) is in much of what is sold, especially soft drinks and processed food. Stuff is bad, bad, bad, and probably adding to the increase of diabeties we are seeing.
launderess
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Speaking of Sweet Corn
Now is sweet corn season, with many local farms, pick your own places, green markets etc, bursting with those lovely ears. Just right for all sorts of dishes, but IMHO best on the cob!
L.
Now is sweet corn season, with many local farms, pick your own places, green markets etc, bursting with those lovely ears. Just right for all sorts of dishes, but IMHO best on the cob!
L.
selectomatic
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Your teeth, Laundress, are clearly NOT like mine!
I have fairly tightly-packed teeth. Not jammed enough to make them crooked, but tight enough that anything stringy gets stuck in there. Corn-on-the-cob is mildly tasty, but if I don't jump up immediately and floss, it's not worth the discomfort. It's enough to drive me crazy (One Mystery Solved!)
Even if I do floss, there's always a little bit left to annoy me all evening. Thanks, but I'll pass. You can have my share.
-kevin
I have fairly tightly-packed teeth. Not jammed enough to make them crooked, but tight enough that anything stringy gets stuck in there. Corn-on-the-cob is mildly tasty, but if I don't jump up immediately and floss, it's not worth the discomfort. It's enough to drive me crazy (One Mystery Solved!)
Even if I do floss, there's always a little bit left to annoy me all evening. Thanks, but I'll pass. You can have my share.
-kevin
Sweet corn
You got that right, though it just doesn't seem to be as good
as it was way-back-when. I remember Dad taking the pickup
downtown with a load of sweet corn (town's population was
maybe 60?) and I and maybe my brother would sit there selling
a baker's dozen of newly picked sweet corn for $1? Probably
sold most of it to people driving through town. And the
price today (as I saw in the big-box grocery store - how
fresh is that) was about 3 times that now while everything
else has gone up 10 times or more since then. Cheapest gas
I ever bought was $.18/gallon and that was after college.
Yes, corn is used to put the weight on the animals as fast as
possible.
You got that right, though it just doesn't seem to be as good
as it was way-back-when. I remember Dad taking the pickup
downtown with a load of sweet corn (town's population was
maybe 60?) and I and maybe my brother would sit there selling
a baker's dozen of newly picked sweet corn for $1? Probably
sold most of it to people driving through town. And the
price today (as I saw in the big-box grocery store - how
fresh is that) was about 3 times that now while everything
else has gone up 10 times or more since then. Cheapest gas
I ever bought was $.18/gallon and that was after college.
Yes, corn is used to put the weight on the animals as fast as
possible.
sudsmaster
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Part of the problem, ironically, is Nafta.
Nafta was supposed to help end the illegal immigration problem by making it easier for Mexicans to earn living wages at home.
Instead, cheap American corn flooded Mexico, dropping the price of corn there so low that many farmers were forced off their land, and they wound up emigrating to America, illegally or otherwise. Now I guess the cornfields in Mexico lie fallow and the price of corn here is rising, but those who have left their farms are unlikely to return. This, I suppose, is progress.
Nafta was supposed to help end the illegal immigration problem by making it easier for Mexicans to earn living wages at home.
Instead, cheap American corn flooded Mexico, dropping the price of corn there so low that many farmers were forced off their land, and they wound up emigrating to America, illegally or otherwise. Now I guess the cornfields in Mexico lie fallow and the price of corn here is rising, but those who have left their farms are unlikely to return. This, I suppose, is progress.
polkanut
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I paid $3.52 for a gal. of 1% @ Wal-Mart yesterday here in Wausau.
Well, I checked today. Ranged from $3.79 for generic 1% gallon to $4.19 for store brand whole milk. I've not looked at national brand milk prices in decades.
Milk
A local convenience store sells their brand here for $3.65 for skim. I saw Mayfield (local brand name) for $5.19 in Target last night! OUCH.
A local convenience store sells their brand here for $3.65 for skim. I saw Mayfield (local brand name) for $5.19 in Target last night! OUCH.
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