northernmary
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I have noticed that washing powder prices are going through the Roof… NorthernMary grumble’s and Rants and walks off....
Prices of detergents
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dj-gabriele
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I don't know, I'm still living off free detergent I got from Madel after a complaint of one of their products, I think I'm going to buy detergent again by June!
There is a reason-
Most modern detergents, that is mainstream ones like Tide (and probably Ariel and and and,) are derived partially from petroleum.
The world price of petroleum is trending ever upward...gasoline (petrol)HERE in my neck of the woods is around 2.79USD a gallon, which is higher than it has been, but still inexpensive compared to the price in the rest of the world.
So, everything that has a petroleum element will go up in price, from the smallest possible amount to quite a bit.
It's just simple economics.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
Most modern detergents, that is mainstream ones like Tide (and probably Ariel and and and,) are derived partially from petroleum.
The world price of petroleum is trending ever upward...gasoline (petrol)HERE in my neck of the woods is around 2.79USD a gallon, which is higher than it has been, but still inexpensive compared to the price in the rest of the world.
So, everything that has a petroleum element will go up in price, from the smallest possible amount to quite a bit.
It's just simple economics.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
and the markets are pricing in $175 oil.
If the US economy ever gets moving again, barrels of oil will probably rise to the $175 price.
I think that the prices of things derived from oil (most industrial chemical based things in other words) are pricing that in already. But of course, it will rise even more when this does happen because "after all, oil is going up!"
If the US economy ever gets moving again, barrels of oil will probably rise to the $175 price.
I think that the prices of things derived from oil (most industrial chemical based things in other words) are pricing that in already. But of course, it will rise even more when this does happen because "after all, oil is going up!"
If oil goes up too much
That will bring the economy DOWN. Very simple people will have less money to spend on other things.. That is really one of the things that got the economy in such a mess to start with. @ 4.00 there was no money left for other things.
That will bring the economy DOWN. Very simple people will have less money to spend on other things.. That is really one of the things that got the economy in such a mess to start with. @ 4.00 there was no money left for other things.
Of course it will.
But the US economy has relied on giving waves based on a 'cost of living' for products that were made by slave labor for years.
As Panthera said, Americans have been losing ground for years, relying on ever increasing debt to *feel* wealthier rather than genuinely being wealthier.
No one, in business or government, is interested in preserving ordinary people in this country. You know that. It's all for the wealthy elites, who are mostly unaffected by trifling things like the cost of food or gasoline.
I have no solution, unfortunately. No one in this country is interested in rebuilding it. Everyone wants a quick fix that relies on stuff that as far asI can see, won't do a lot. (What exactly is a green job? Why will 'green' tech be manufactured here when China already does a lot of it? Given that most folks hire illegal aliens for installation for things because they can't afford to pay or don't want to pay US folks, how will that help? etc.)
But the US economy has relied on giving waves based on a 'cost of living' for products that were made by slave labor for years.
As Panthera said, Americans have been losing ground for years, relying on ever increasing debt to *feel* wealthier rather than genuinely being wealthier.
No one, in business or government, is interested in preserving ordinary people in this country. You know that. It's all for the wealthy elites, who are mostly unaffected by trifling things like the cost of food or gasoline.
I have no solution, unfortunately. No one in this country is interested in rebuilding it. Everyone wants a quick fix that relies on stuff that as far asI can see, won't do a lot. (What exactly is a green job? Why will 'green' tech be manufactured here when China already does a lot of it? Given that most folks hire illegal aliens for installation for things because they can't afford to pay or don't want to pay US folks, how will that help? etc.)
ronhic
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Welll....
....citizens of the US, consider yourselves lucky....
Petrol in Oz is currently around the USD$5 US gallon already....and has been for about 12months....
....citizens of the US, consider yourselves lucky....
Petrol in Oz is currently around the USD$5 US gallon already....and has been for about 12months....
but yours in Australia, is taxes.
I find it interesting that, during the riots in UK a few years ago when petrol went over GBP 1 per litre, there was an editorial cartoon whose message was 'well of course we can't lower the fuel duty just because everyone wants us to, we're a democracy after all!'
It is TAXES that make it so expensive in every other country but this one.
Of course given the current talk that $8 US per gallon is what you need to get people to drive less, we may get them too.
I find it interesting that, during the riots in UK a few years ago when petrol went over GBP 1 per litre, there was an editorial cartoon whose message was 'well of course we can't lower the fuel duty just because everyone wants us to, we're a democracy after all!'
It is TAXES that make it so expensive in every other country but this one.
Of course given the current talk that $8 US per gallon is what you need to get people to drive less, we may get them too.
ronhic
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Well you're both right....
....and wrong...
Our fuel is relatively cheap compared to most of the world....
...and you are correct that there is a large percentage of the cost of that fuel that is tax...
HOWEVER.....
Our fuel didn't hit its' current price because of tax...fuel 'excise/duty/tax' has not increased in this country for a few years actually...so the actual percentage hasn't changed. What has caused the price of fuel to rise, if you listen to most commentators and the oil companys, is the increased demand from developing nations such as India and an increased demand from China.....which puts pressure on the wholesale price....etc...
...so whilst tax does play a part, in this instance it hasn't been the actual cause in Oz.....
....and wrong...
Our fuel is relatively cheap compared to most of the world....
...and you are correct that there is a large percentage of the cost of that fuel that is tax...
HOWEVER.....
Our fuel didn't hit its' current price because of tax...fuel 'excise/duty/tax' has not increased in this country for a few years actually...so the actual percentage hasn't changed. What has caused the price of fuel to rise, if you listen to most commentators and the oil companys, is the increased demand from developing nations such as India and an increased demand from China.....which puts pressure on the wholesale price....etc...
...so whilst tax does play a part, in this instance it hasn't been the actual cause in Oz.....
$8 US per gallon is what you need to get people to drive le
Today in Italy average petrol price is 1.409 euro per litre = 1.889 USD per litre
1.889 x 3.79 = 7.159 USD per gallon.
Traffic is always the same.
That said, it's true that many people who live north of Milan cross the border with a empty car tank :
swiss gas stations are big deals for us, no matter Switzerland is a dearer country. Not a case there are plenty of P.S. close to the italian border.
Today in Italy average petrol price is 1.409 euro per litre = 1.889 USD per litre
1.889 x 3.79 = 7.159 USD per gallon.
Traffic is always the same.
That said, it's true that many people who live north of Milan cross the border with a empty car tank :
swiss gas stations are big deals for us, no matter Switzerland is a dearer country. Not a case there are plenty of P.S. close to the italian border.
Come trovare i prezzi migliori per benzina, diesel, gpl e metano.
Come trovare i prezzi migliori per benzina, diesel, gpl e metano.
www.prezzibenzina.it
their price is 1.199 euro per litre = 1.60 USD per litre = 6.07 per gallon.
Once it was even a bigger deal, today it's worth just for those who live within 30 km from the border
Once it was even a bigger deal, today it's worth just for those who live within 30 km from the border
Come trovare i prezzi migliori per benzina, diesel, gpl e metano.
Come trovare i prezzi migliori per benzina, diesel, gpl e metano.
www.prezzibenzina.it
percentage of price versus flat rate
Perhaps the biggest difference with petrol tax is that in USA it is a flat amount per US gallon (slightly less than 4 litres), whereas in other countries (Canada I know for sure. UK? Australia?) it is based on a percentage of the price.
Given the sinking US dollar though your petrol prices should be not too high. Then again, I'm SURE there is gouging going on.
Perhaps the biggest difference with petrol tax is that in USA it is a flat amount per US gallon (slightly less than 4 litres), whereas in other countries (Canada I know for sure. UK? Australia?) it is based on a percentage of the price.
Given the sinking US dollar though your petrol prices should be not too high. Then again, I'm SURE there is gouging going on.
It's being caused by very weak Sterling.
Laundry detergents and other household products are manufactured either in Eurozone countries, or with ingredients that are sourced in Euros.
The £-Euro exchange rate is absolutely dire at the moment from a UK perspective.
I think what you are seeing is the first signs of serious inflation being caused by weak £.
See graph below :
This will continue to happen in other areas as supply contracts come to an end and are negotiated at new prices. Very few suppliers will sign contracts in £ anymore as it's seen as a weakening currency.
Even within the UK, I know suppliers are signing contracts in Euro only.
£1.00 only buys €1.11 at today's rate.
or €1.00 buys aprox 90 pence.
Not too long ago €1.00 was about 70 pence
The supply chain can only absorb that kind of currency fluctuation for so long, then it starts to be passed on to the consumer.
Laundry detergents and other household products are manufactured either in Eurozone countries, or with ingredients that are sourced in Euros.
The £-Euro exchange rate is absolutely dire at the moment from a UK perspective.
I think what you are seeing is the first signs of serious inflation being caused by weak £.
See graph below :
This will continue to happen in other areas as supply contracts come to an end and are negotiated at new prices. Very few suppliers will sign contracts in £ anymore as it's seen as a weakening currency.
Even within the UK, I know suppliers are signing contracts in Euro only.
£1.00 only buys €1.11 at today's rate.
or €1.00 buys aprox 90 pence.
Not too long ago €1.00 was about 70 pence
The supply chain can only absorb that kind of currency fluctuation for so long, then it starts to be passed on to the consumer.
BTW: That would be UK laundry products, not US ones.
The UK products are all manufacturers by the EU divisions of multinationals who account in Euro, not £.
Or, they will be using ingredients which are sourced in Euro, not £.
The UK market is just part of the wider EU market, so unfortunately from a British consumer perspective that is going to mean price hikes.
The cost of oil i.e. petroleum derived chemicals, plastic and energy is just a double whammy as that's increasing manufacturing costs across the board.
The UK products are all manufacturers by the EU divisions of multinationals who account in Euro, not £.
Or, they will be using ingredients which are sourced in Euro, not £.
The UK market is just part of the wider EU market, so unfortunately from a British consumer perspective that is going to mean price hikes.
The cost of oil i.e. petroleum derived chemicals, plastic and energy is just a double whammy as that's increasing manufacturing costs across the board.
I haven't had to buy laundry detergent for several years - I got a lot of Sears Ultra Plus HE from Orchard Supply and Sears. That supply will run out in a year or two, and then I guess I'll be faced with renewing the supply.
Most of powder detergents is washing soda. Some like Persil have zeolites. Neither is derived from petroleum. The surfactant might be a petroleum product, but it's a relatively minor component of most powders (a little surfactant goes a long way in making suds). Probably the energy used to manufacture the detergent powder is what is driving up the cost, as well as the other non-petroleum ingredients like enzymes and color safe bleaches. Or it could be simple greed on the part of the soap companies.
Most of powder detergents is washing soda. Some like Persil have zeolites. Neither is derived from petroleum. The surfactant might be a petroleum product, but it's a relatively minor component of most powders (a little surfactant goes a long way in making suds). Probably the energy used to manufacture the detergent powder is what is driving up the cost, as well as the other non-petroleum ingredients like enzymes and color safe bleaches. Or it could be simple greed on the part of the soap companies.
passatdoc
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I was in Target (US discount store) the other day to buy some car supplies. Passed a large box of Tide HE powder at the end of an aisle, on sale for $13. Given that I use 45 ml (3 tbsp) of detergent per average load in my Frigidaire 2140, it would take me a year to go through that box. Sometimes I use 60 ml for a heavily soiled load. The 2140's capacity of 3.5 cu ft was mid-range when it was introduced, but now is on the low end on capacity in the US market, as machine capacities have grown. Still larger than just about all European-sized washers. Launderess has posted that she uses just 2-3 tbsp (30-45 ml) of powder per load.
So if I only use $13-20 of Tide HE powder in a year, who cares about cost? This is based on five full loads per week.
Costco doesn't carry Tide HE powder in my area, so I can't buy a huge Costco-sized box for say $20, but the large size stocked by Target, and probably Walmart, is sufficient. Have never tried Sears Ultra Plus HE powder but have heard it comes in large containers for a reasonable price.
So if I only use $13-20 of Tide HE powder in a year, who cares about cost? This is based on five full loads per week.
Costco doesn't carry Tide HE powder in my area, so I can't buy a huge Costco-sized box for say $20, but the large size stocked by Target, and probably Walmart, is sufficient. Have never tried Sears Ultra Plus HE powder but have heard it comes in large containers for a reasonable price.
