Proctor and Gamble

[paulc]

Hi guys, Iam asking a huge favour of everyone that uses P&G products.......am asking if you would consider not buying there products until they review their policy on animal testing. P&G still use the "toxicity test" on many of their products. Basically aminals are force fed degergents, softeners, cleaning products etc to test how much has to be ingested before they die. Please don't write me off as some freaky leftwing animal rights nut..Iam not, but I do not see why, when we know so much about chemicals used in our homes that these tests have to continue. I actually miss my P&G products, far better than unilever in my opinion. Anyway....I use "simply sensitive" by aquados now and am amazed how well it cleans ( especially for a "greener" detergent)even in my crappy hotpoint machine.

Well thanx guys for taking the time to read this.....and let me know if P&G change their policies!!

 

[74simon]

Food for thought there, Paul

I knew cosmetics testing on animals was outlawed in the UK, and had (wrongly) assumed this applied to household cleaning products too.

Personally, I'm undecided over the issue of animal tests for medical reasons, but I really think there is no need nowadays to make animals suffer for the sake of a clean floor or toilet. There are plenty of satisfactory products out there, and there is no need for manufacturers to keep reformulating products for the sake of a 'New! Improved' label on the packaging.

I noticed Fairy Snow is made by P+G, dammit! I'll have to take a trip down the Co-op, as I know they do an own-brand high-suds powder, and even though I'm not mad on the 'shopping experience' provided by the 'Copey', I do know that they are very ethical in this respect.

Thanks for posting this!

Si

 

[tolivac]

I am not in favor of testing things on animals either-its like DUGH-detergents,cleaners are harmful to animals and humans if improperly used-I would take GREAT pleasure of dumping the animal testing fixtures into the KRUSHER-without the animals of course!

 

[dj-gabriele]

Better a rat than me... I like P&G products... I just checked my cupboard... of 36 bottles/cans/boxes that were there 18 are P&G, the others Unilever and Henkel plus a couple of others (Sara Lee and a few Italian firms).
I don't want to sound cynical but it's better to have a detergent througly tested before it hits the shelves... I still remeber some rashes I got in changing washing powders a few times...

 

[paulc]

Thanx guys for your replies. 74simon, there are a lot of ingerdients for cosmetics still tested on animals. L'Oreal test ingredients, but not the final product, on animals...and that doesn't sit well with me as L'Oreal now owns the Body Shop!!

DJ, I totally sympathise with anyone who has an allergey to detergents, but amimals force fed detergent until they die? How does that benefit anyone?

And Tolivac........I agree.we all know not to eat detergent or drink bleach !!!

 

[petek]

I am against animal testing other than for medical research but I think you should also be including some legitimate backup resource along with this otherwise it's jut heresay

 

[paulc]

Petek, just google P&G+animal testing, that will give you more information.

 

[~sudsshane]

I agree with PeteK

"I think you should also be including some legitimate backup resource along with this otherwise it's jut heresay"

You need to post links backing up your position before making blanket claims such as this. If indeed this is true, any P&G product will NOT have a place in my home. I detest animal testing of any kind!

 

[2drumsallergy]

PG.com Research Involving Animals

Hi Folks,
I am against any kind of animal testing, but unfortunately an obscene amount of products we all take for granted are tested to some degree on animals, also many products are not tested on animals contain ingredients that are. And don't forget Pharmaceuticals, the vast majority of prescription drugs are tested on animals.

P&G don't deny it but claim animal testing is only carried out as a last resort.

I personally find P&G products to be of outstanding quality, and I cannot find alternatives that perform equally or better.

I think the best way to challenge animal testing is to petition the company to cease testing on animals. Simply not buying P&G products will have little to no effect in their global sales, the company is huge and has saturated the World market.

David

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www.pg.com

 

[paulc]

you can get more info on this subject at www.uncaged.co.uk

 

[maggie~hamilton]

I just can't imagine what kind of dead, monstrous, numbed, horrific mind it would take for a person to be capable of harming an animal under ANY circumstance other than self defense, and, of course, for food. But I do even have some qualms about the latter and can only admit to being a chickenshit inasmuch as I am glad to be able to buy butchered poultry at the market rather than having to do it myself. (I do not eat red meat or pork.)

Perhaps "city life" has immuned ME to the horrors and realities of nature. But honestly, I could no more force-feed poison to a helpless animal than I could do so to another human being.

I just can't wrap my mind around something that atrocious.

 

[andrewinorlando]

Oh they still do it....have been doing it for decades. It's much easier and cheaper for them to kill helpless animals then buy or develop computer models that simulate such things. Kind of like a concentration camp for animals, dontcha think??

 

[seamusuk]

Read it and weep

I for one will never buy any P&G product again....

Seamus

http://www.uncaged.co.uk/pg.htm

 

[seamusuk]

If you look..

At the list of their products theres some VERY well known brands there- No more Pringles "sob"

 

[veg-o-matic]

Why pick on P&G?

Yes, Procter (correct spelling) and Gamble does animal testing. They also make good products that are safe because of it. I would prefer they stop animal testing (and are working on it) but it's not going to happen tomorrow.

Does anyone care that Colgate-Palmolive and Unilever do animal testing too? How about Eli Lily and Henkel? They're just as guilty. This is about the 10th thread where people go off about P&G. Let's be fair, here.

veg

 

[fa_f3_20]

It's called "liability", folks. If one person drinks half a bottle of, say, Tide, and it (not surprisingly) makes them sick, then the company has to do every possible thing it can to prove that it thoroughly tested the product. Otherwise, they get hit with multimillion-dollar damage awards, regardless of the plaintiff's culpability.

 

[2drumsallergy]

The list is endless

Hi Folks,
The list of companies that carry out animal testing is huge so why is P&G being singled out here?

Seamus you might as well enjoy your Pringles as you will have great difficulty in sourcing products that have not been tested on animals, if not the products then the ingredients are tested.

David

Companies that still do animal testing - Everything2.com

Rather than list companies that still do animal testing ("do you still beat your wife?"), it would be more useful and interesting to list thos...

everything2.com

 

[74simon]

Actually, it's easy to find cruelty-free products, in the UK anyway - the Co-op does not use ingredients tested on animals since 1985 in its non-food products. That's a fixed date too, some other companies will not use an ingredient tested within the last five years, but this is less satisfactory, as it means that animal tests will continue, but the manufacturer will just take a little longer to roll their 'New! Improved!' products out than others.

Personally, I'm a bit of a lapsed animals-rights type, but to be honest I hadn't realized animal testing was still so prevalent, and this thread has made me sit up and think. I don't buy Iams pet food for my cat as that is lab-tested, and they do lab testing on the same animals ("research") that the food is intended for. I hadn't realized that most other pet food manufacturers do the same, which is just plain creepy. I've been able to source 'ethical' pet food since this thread started though.

Everyone has to draw their own line somewhere though. I may be vegetarian, but I would never dream of trying to put my cat on a veggie diet, pushing human morals on an animal just isn't right.

http://www2.co-operative.com:8080/ext_1/Development.nsf/504ca249c786e20f85256284006da7ab/f885b00365cab8160025672f0030667e?OpenDocument#CO-OP%20BRAND

 

[oxydolfan1]

"Everyone has to draw their own line somewhere though."

This is very true. Thank you all for reawakening my awareness on this issue, although I will still continue to use P&G products because no equivalent products in some categories are manufactured by companies that are any more ethical in this regard.

For instance, I've been tempted to buy some SA8 because it seems like a phenomenal product, but learned today that the company is controlled by Betsy DeVos, whose brother turns out to be Erik Prince, a notorious war profiteer who founded our most despised private mercenary contractor, Blackwater.

In this case, I guess the best I can do in good conscience is to discuss the animal-testing issue with folks I know will be receptive and surprised that this issue still continues, and still buy P&G's products, although only at discount, with coupons, etc., to decrease any profit margins as much as possible.

Quixtar, at this point, has to be a no-go. I've blogged incessantly about Blackwater and the (now) million innocents they've helped to exterminate. Erik Prince evidently is this fanatical dominionist homophobic type, so to me, buying the SA8 product at this juncture would seem like feeding my own executioner (or at least acquiescing in my own rape).

Please, I am NOT sitting in judgement of anyone who does choose to buy Quixtar!! I'm just trying to explain, I'm uncomfortable focusing on the animal-rights issue, when more egregious examples of unhinged violence and baseless hatred seem more front-and-center right now.

But I did have a twinge of conscience when I bought a bottle of the new Tide Lemon Verbena for $9.00 today ($4.00 off at Pathmark)...I hope the product is worth it.

I'm wondering if anyone else finds their conscience being split into warring halves, as we make choices and pick our way through an ever-increasingly unethical corporatocracy.