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Texize....

....Was widely sold in the South when I was a kid, but the brand was much more favored for its dishwashing liquid than any laundry product.

The dishwashing liquid was a very decent one for its era, but not up to today's performance standard. As I recently said in another thread, it couldn't cut grease off Tupperware and other plastics like today's stuff can. Plastics in the sink used to make me groan.
 
Sandy that is strange to hear a dishwashing  liquid cutting grease on everything but  no plastic......never experienced this with any...

As you talk about standards, were performing standards  of dishwashing liquids in the past less than today?

I only used few VTG liquid dishwashing in my life, all the rest were powders and they worked just fine.....so I ask this, thought they never changed that much over time, they're nothing but simple surfactans and <span id="result_box" lang="en"><span class="hps">alkylbenzenesulfonate mostly.........this is curious...
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Thanks for info about Texise brand!
 
Clorox-P&G

Actually, Proctor & Gamble bought Clorox in 1957 to complement its detergent lineup. But the Federal Trade Commission immediately fought the purchase on anti-trust grouds (fears that P&G would monopolize the chlorine bleach market). The issue wasn't resolved until 1967, when the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the FTC's decision and ordered P&G to divest itself of Clorox. The whole affair scared P&G and the company essentially halted any mergers or takeovers of other firms for many years. And if I'm not mistaken, Clorox is just about the only national brand of LCB in the nation. So much for monopolies!
 
Thank you Mike for info, very interesting, I just cannot understand the preoccupation for P&G "monopolizing" the bleach market buying Clorox.....what would this have resulted? Why this would have been bad for citizens to ivolve anti trust?

They bought a company not all......

I actually never undertsand these anti trust things.......

 

 

Thanks
 
Freddy we get Always Save and Best Choice in the stores in Memphis I will look next time that I go to the store that carries them and if the box is not too big I will get you some I think that they have some powders but mostly liquids and a bucket that is a low price family size but I think that they are made by the Sun Company because it looks like a bucket detergent that I bought at Wal-Mart  under the Sun name I got it for the bucket to store my big boxes of Tide in but I may get it again if I find that it works well because the price was good and Sun detergent is made in America and here in Tennessee.

 

As for Clorox Bleach it use to not be the only brand of bleach for years as I remember we had Purex when I was a kid and store brands such as A&P that was made by Texise.Purex went into the low priced detergent business and did so well I guess that they stopped making Liquid Bleach. But now I do not think that Clorox makes it own bleach because on the back it states Mfg for the Clorox Co. and I just bought a bottle of Kroger Bleach that looks like that it was put in a old design Clorox bottle but it is a premium bleach and just as good as Clorox becasuse I buy both which one is less expensive also that is one thing that Aldi has that is good is their Tandil liquid Bleach.

 

I remember Texise Pink Lotion Dishwashing liquid it was good for the time and at the low price point 39 cents for 32 oz and 69 cents for 64 oz. but todays Dawn would eat its lunch.  

 

Freddy I think that Sun Does most of the private label or store brand detergents here it is on their website.Purex use too but do not know who much they do now.
 
Oh Carl yes I would love to get a paper box of Best choiche and always save powder detergent classic version if you can at the next swap we will do.....
Yes  bleach is bleach and they does not need anything special to make it, I mean is not a detergent that change ingredients  formulas etc...and  so that someone may find  be better  than another as for scent or cleaning.....sodium Hipoclorite is always sodium Hypoclorite, it can just change concentration.....this is what I think....
I knew once purex made bleach but now anymore but actually plenty good bleaches are around including store brands from what I know.....now  mexican cloralex in southern states near mexico is widely sold....cloralex number 1 bleach in mexico and relatively cheap in USA.
Here in Italy most known brand always been "Ace" P&G.....actually you can find a bleach called Acti from Henkel but it is a kind with soap and surfactans inside not plain bleach, kinda blue gel, Ace make a similar thing called "denso blu" that you can use for general cleaning without adding soap and anything....alot of minor and local makers followed  offering  and producing this type of bleach too.

I do use bleach sometimes for house cleaning, I never use it in the laundry unless I have to bleach some "washing errors" like when a red sock ends in the white load by mistake, it never happends.....
I usually buy the cheaper one I can find making sure that sodium Hypoclorite is at least < 5 % conc.

2 lts is 0,49 euro cent the less I can find....they  of course works just like Ace which is 2,30 Euros for 2 lts.....not a good deal for me, what you pay is the mark and the ads......

Yes I've read once they used to make dishwashing liquid detergents in pink,  it was used, for me and for people of my age if I think that watching at a pink dish soap would rather think about an hand soap, in Italy this color was  never been used for dishwashing detergent, even in the past as liquids started to come out dishwashing liquids always came in transparent color or green and or yellow and almost exclusively lemon scented.....here dishwashing liquid got out just late 60 almost 70s with their "boom" almost in the 80s.......before mostly powders dish detergents and one of the most known brand of liquid  and powders in the 70s and  early 80s  was named "Last"....the most famous powder dishwashing detergent in the 60s was named "Kop" and it's production lasted till the mid 90s during the  last  years if the 80s the most famous dishwashing  detergent became "svelto" brand (Unilever) that actually produced only liquids .......
Those powders dish detergents used to clean so marvelously if compared to any italian liquids they sell today even liquids were better, we got 30 packs of liquids and powders from a shop closed long time ago and that still had alot  of boxes of these powders (Brand were: lanza piatti and Kop and  both had Phosfates) and liquids (svelto)  in the warehouse.....they were sold at a flea market in  boxes lots of 10 packs each, by liquids and powders for a trifle...this was in 2006....but actually you could find dishwashing powders around   till 2010 on ebay and <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">"bankruptcy</span> <span class="hps">auctions</span></span>",  but I don't see them anymore around....
I find so strange to hear that in USA in the past dish liquids were "worse" than today, in Italy for what I know is exactly the opposite.....but I'm sure that modern dishwashing liquids in USA are way better than their italian counterparts newer and older.
Here is an interesting link of a website talking about the story of The Mira Lanza historical italian factory who entered in a partnership with ReckittBenckiser n 1984, now unfortunately completely owned by them....they kept some of the brands Mira Lanza used to produce and introduced new ones....

It is in italian though but nice to see pics......you could see their  products in the past years, they had Kop powder for floors and Kop  for dishes....the first products image  is from the 1969 when second one from 1973....you can see in the first pic of detergents  a white bottle of KOP, well that one was one of the first liqids forms of dishwashing detergents  entering in the market in those years....in the second image of 1973 selection you can also see a green bottle, well it was window cleaner you can find the white Kop bottle as well, unchanged....

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This is not in-topic but interesting to know as I shared thi

In the last pic of the home of this website you can see a  laundry detegent display out of a shop......dated 1987 seems...
As you can see All was introduced in Italy and it lasted here till 1989 early 1990s, even Tide was a very famous brand  till  70s! That unfortunately though was pulled out of market since it was no longer bought and this for a simply stupid  misunderstanding of their  new "motto" they started to write on their packages in the mid 60s and early 70s:" Candeggia mentre lava"  translated is : "Bleaches as it washes"

In italian "candeggiare" is translated in english with bleaching that means to get white, while in Italian candeggiare is the only "whitening" operation you make with chlorine bleach, when actually "to get white" is :"sbiancare" infact oxy additives in Italian does not "candeggiare" they "sbiancano" they "get white", if you say "to bleach" and you translate it with candeggiare it means you bleach with chlorine.

Infact as long this motto came out on Tide packages people stopped buying it as they were convincted it had a new formula and it now contained chlorine bleach and so not being safe on their clothes, <span id="result_box" lang="en"><span class="hps">to</span> <span class="hps">no avail</span> <span class="hps">denials of</span> <span class="hps">P</span> <span class="hps">& G about this matter....</span></span>

<span lang="en"><span class="hps">All this was aggravated they always claimed of Tide to provide the whitest whites, so the idea of  Chlorine bleach   it was even stronger on italian minds...italians just could not understand the percarbonate and oxy bleaching agents and that would have been safe not only for whites and fibers but also on colors....
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<span id="result_box" lang="en"><span class="hps">You know it was stupid......but when people get an idea is hard to pull it out of their minds....
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I've alredy seen the la's totally awesome  brand sold in dollar tree shops all over the places, but never  the southern home brand!

Thank you for sharing! Southern Home just catch me! Did you manage to see if it came in powder also? La's awesome I know just come in liquid, at dollar tree 1 bottle 32 loads is 1$,  they have also a red variation for the liquid......

This southern home is probably a local brand!

 
 
No to seeing any powder varieties. That was all I saw. Next time I go in that store I will look and even see where it was manufactured. But the store is on the other side of town and I am rarely over there so give me some time to get back with you ;)
 
Europe - Languages!

Europe's retail situation is not really comparable to the US for a number of reasons.
It's more fragmented because historically-speaking, the EU has only been a single market for a relatively short time compared to the United States, each country is still a country. They're not states within a union and, perhaps more significantly, they also tend to speak different languages.

There are a number of huge retailers with presence in most EU markets, but the brands they carry are representative of the markets they operate in.

You also have old brands that have had billions spent on them over the decades, ditching those and replacing them with pan-EU brands has proved very problematic when it has been done in the past.

Some brands simply do not work very well across multiple languages. For example, Persil means Parsley in French so it hasn't ever been used as a main-stream detergent brand in French speaking markets.

Or, take a product with a word like "Mist" in it, which means manure in German.

So, something like New Persil Mist could cause you a problem in multiple markets !!

There have been utter disasters in marketing too over the years where someone's gotten this horribly wrong and ended up naming a product something that turns out to be rude.

I have a degree in marketing and I spent a lot of time analyzing this stuff :D

Europe has produced enormous consumer products companies like for example, Unilver and Nestlé are the 2nd and 3rd largest in the world. Others include Henkel, Reckitt and Benckiser, Biersdorf (Nivia), L'Oriel, etc etc etc and there are many other huge European organisations in that sector too as well as the likes of US corporations like P&G, Mars etc which have European operations that are entirely independent of their US operations with totally different product ranges.

In Europe these companies achieve economies of scale, but they do it differently to their counterparts in the United States where you can operate a single US-wide marketing campaign.

Over here you would generally find that companies will concentrate their manufacturing facilities into one or several huge centres and make all of a particular type of product at that location. Transportation issues are not really a big deal in terms of overall costs. Yes transport's a bit pricer than the US, but Europe also has a pan-European motorway network, pan European high-speed freight train networks, etc etc. Quite comparable to the US in that regard. Hundreds of billions of Euro worth of goods are shipped across Europe every day by road (mostly) but also by rail.

It makes no more sense to do regional manufacturing in Europe than it does int he US. Although, regional packaging is sometimes done to allow for local branding.

Where regional brands exist, you will generally find that companies produce the same base product with minor tweaks e.g. scents, or they just produce exactly the same product for all markets and only vary the packaging.

In many cases, for example Unilever products the same logos and packaging are used with multiple brands. The "heart brand" ice cream is the best example of this!

This means they also get economies of scale when it comes to advertising. The same advertising campaign (including TV ads) often gets used with different logos and minor tweaks and different voice overs in each market.

The situation with things like household products is actually quite straight forward as in general it's quite easy to market something like a detergent or a cleaning product across the entire EU once you get the localisation right for language.

However, food is another story entirely. Each market has different trends and slightly different food cultures. So, while some products like maybe candy, coffees, soft drinks etc will sell across multiple markets, you can find that more traditional regional products don't sell well outside their home markets.

So, with food products regional manufacturing is still pretty much the norm for many products.

You also find a number of massive European fast-moving consumer goods brands that operate across all or most markets e.g. L'Oriel, Nivia, Ambre Solair, Finish, Cif, P&G Europe's Ariel brand, Persil (in most markets), Omo, Surf.

Other product types like appliances, cars etc tend to operate on a purely pan-European basis. There are a couple of minor exceptions, but in general that's the way things have gone in other sectors.

Increasingly you're also seeing things like pan-European telecommunications operators operating with a single brand in most markets: Vodafone, Orange, T-Mobile, O2 etc although still without any integration of those markets!!

Basically in Europe you've got a lot of consolidation but, you still need a lot of local tweaking too to cope with different market requirements like language, technical specifications (e.g. plugs, which side of the car you put the steering wheel etc).

However, it's a single market and product regulations, safety standards, environmental standards or anything that could create an internal market barrier within the EU are regulated at an EU (quasi-federal) level, not a national level. So, basically once a product's approved for sale in the EU, it can be sold anywhere in the EU.
 
mrx

I cannot do anything but agree and quote almost all what you say, language is the main reason why they just cannot produce the same detergents all over europe, that is obvious as for everything you say,  I just previously condensed this concept with the statement:<a name="start_42307.622925">"That is because europe is not structured like US that is a whole nation while europe is just a group of countries so different among th</a>em"......anyway all the rest is correct, except for a thing you say:"<a name="start_42307.624092">It makes no more sense to do regional manufacturing in Europe than it does int he US"</a>

Well, cannot speak for whole continent , but, the discussion is just this one, looks like in some european countries including of course Italy  and I know also Spain,  is  indeed  so usual to have local manufacturing and local brands sold in certain areas of these countries only while in USA looks it is not so.....

So I just cannot understand your statement, maybe I got it wrongly and you mean't another thing?
 
Kenmoreguy89

Yeah, there maybe a few remaining genuine regional laundry product brands in Europe but I mean that the major producers : Henkel, P&G, Unilever, R&B etc are very much consolidated into specialised single sites producing ALL of one type of product under various labels.

Where these companies have national facilities, they're often nothing more than distribution or packing facilities.

The regional Spanish brand, Focca, made by Persan is actually the same product as many supermarket brands. Persan, like McBride, is largely a private label manufacturer with a pan European presence. They make a lot of products for Tesco for example.
 
Actually not a few as you think......

OK....I'm not talking of known brands  manufacturers such Henkel P&G or else,  or europe wide involved companies such as Mcbride is.....

But of local detergents to some areas that unless you live there you  could not know....

As long as Italy it is still in the European union even if I think soon will be pulled out if Mafia bloodsucker politicians will not be eridicated from this country and  will stop wasting  and thieving public money,  I can tell you that actually local manufacturers are not few in the europe, then if the fact of local manufacturing is a typical italian or from certian EU countries only, well, it is another matter, I can't talk of ireland or countries I never visited or know.... the fact of local production may be a thing regarding only some countries of europe as I said, well,......anyway you may be curious to know I already found even german local detergents as for french ones, not many as I went there  just a few times but  some.... I know more Italy and spain and I can totally say in these  2 countries is very usual and very common... not sure if it is common there in Ireland to have local manufacturers brands if you say this looks it is not,  but since you're speaking of europe I feel the need to point this.

  Talking for Italy and Spain I actually know of many local manufacturing to these places, for ex many detergents in Spanish supermarket from me visited were local manufactured in that area for example in Barcellona they had detergents made there you could not find for example In Madrid....
Then I could tell you of small manufacturers as Quimi Romar from Valencia  that till early 200ish a brand sold in Valencia areas only with the brand "romar",  later became known in all the spain and expanded their markets to all the country, and since a few years now they also pointed on international European market, infact they are now producing our store brand gel......from the Unes supermarket.

But this is another matter.......

Just think that only in my region (Piemonte region) I can count at least 10 manufacturers of detergents,  most of the which maybe does not even have a  decent website as much little and local they're........but they exist and this is the kind of companies I'm talking now.
For example the "Deterplast" is a small company of  my region based in province of Cuneo, that just started to produce their detergent named "Mash"  and that now (about 2005) got involved in production of some store brands of local supermarkets as it got more known lately, anyway their own brand still exist  and it is still carried,  is a brand you could find mostly in piemonte and lombardy, you will never find it for ex in Rome,  and if you would do it would more than "rare"..

 

Other example are:

Also USE brand is a brand sold mostly in liguria as it's factory is in Genova and you use to find it in many stores there, for example national chain IperCoop carry it in almost every store in liguria,  but not for example in my town or piemonte....
Another example is the Asachimici company in Cremona producing their Biancospino powder, a powder you can actually find in northern Italy only but hard to find elesewhere, we got just 1 store here carrying it over here but around Cremona is usual to find it in stores.....

Or the Brix detergent from AVT laboratori, making detergents sold almost exclusively in Lombardyand  piemonte.....actually now their products became harder to find here in my town.....

Like them countless local producers and brands all over Italy, maybe a little less in Spain, but looks like even Spain got a good amount of local brands and manufacturers and is an usual thing.....as far my knowledge is aware...maybe they could be even more in Spain, you know it is not the country I live in, just happend to visit there once a month for few days for work...

For example did not know of Focca spanish detergent, just of Foca  the mexican one.....like the Focca in Spain there might be many others I do not know, actually  maybe many more than Italy...who knows?
All what I know is that in these  2 countries of europe is everything but rare and looks like indeed it have it's sense......

 

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P.S (Sorry a little later but had to get back at work)
I understand what you mean about Multinational being more consolidated etc but this is no the point... they're anyway bigger companies with different costs and sometimes cannot compete, those local detergents are sold as well and get their slice of the market as actually some of them are very valid and good products sometimes even better of some more known brands IMHO.

For ex:

P&G bought the rights for Dinamo brand for italian market about 2 years ago (a brand  deceased in the late 80s) that once was of Colgate palmolive trying to make of it the cheaper P&G detergent available,  they didn't get it advertised, I think they just tried to put a cheap brand into market and see what happends,  well it didn't caught  shelves were always full as it price was anyway higher of  some store brands  and also compared to some others  cheaper detergents even though it was a good detergent it is still sold somewhere but it is just a "Ghost brand".....
While when Henkel pulled out the General brand  line (supposed to be  the cheaper of henkel line, BTW Mascotte is the Fox like for German Spee and Mexican 123) got quite success, this only thanks to ads, but it actually had a higher cost than the P&G Dinamo and of all the others local detergents.....

Another henkel detergent here is Bio presto,  the middle priced henkel offer, Bio Presto had a good slice of market when owned by Unilver, they then turned it to a new name (one of the famous ones of Unilever, Surf)  first double named Bio presto/surf then only Surf , again, this when Bio presto was a brand owned by Unilever, Unilever was still owner of Bio presto rights over here and sold this brand rights to be used in Italy to henkel, Unilver kept though the Surf brand for  use in Italy, now you can only find Huge bags of surf around supposed to be sold  also as professional detergent size in wholesale places......

Looks like those big companies  just cannot compete on costs with these local ones even with they avoiding the  advertisement, I think they always have higher costs to offset expenses for the purchase for the rights of marks and brands among other things.....
Oh as you were talking of Mc Bride I now remembered that they used to produce a powder sold at Penny Market back in 2008 ( a discount chain like Aldi and Lidl), but it was more expensive than the other powder they carried that was produced in italy byn a company of near Bologna if i'm correct, it  seems to remember, so they just went with these  detergents for all their distribuition in Italy getting rid of McBride.

The only product I can find from McBride now is the Ipercoop store brand of oxy additive, stuff I do not use......

 

The local detergents often have the cheapest prices  you can get and this is for many factors I think shipping costs but more than else also they have no advertising costs as they never get advertised in any circumstances and way and most of the time not even get  a registered trademark as they know they would be for that area only...

As I said some of them seeks to get bigger by offering and trying to expand their markets and brands elsewhere,   most of the time without success, some accept private label trades such deterplast, but by  keeping their own brand also,   for most indeed looks it is just Okay to stay small  and local and so offer the "local" trade only, they get anyway their money  to pull the carriage ahead and everyone is happy..... this looks happends with most of them......

 

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